Re: [Q] Presentation at 49th meeting

2000-12-04 Thread Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Harald Alvestrand wrote: At 11:40 04/12/2000 +0900, Lee, Jiwoong wrote: Neophyte speaker question: Is a piece of 2HD disk enough to give a presentation at 49th IETF meeting? Then, when shall I 'put' it into a laptop? recent meetings, the secretariat (or the host) has

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Martin J. Duerst
At 00/12/03 08:03 +, Graham Klyne wrote: There's a news story at: http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2000-2/1201f.html#item10 under the heading "Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?" Leaving aside the issues of competing registries, Sorry, but I think that's the main topic of the

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Martin J. Duerst
At 00/12/03 13:57 -0500, Dave Crocker wrote: Would it be such a bad thing to be unable to postal mail a letter or package to anywhere in the world? Of course it would be very bad. But it is usual now to send mail e.g. from Japan to Japan with an address without any Latin letters. It is also

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Dave Crocker
Thank you. I was hoping someone would point out the support for parallel operation so we could go further down that path. As you note, it seems to be the closest to providing local/global support already. That means postal gives us: 1. Global support for a common "character set" 2. Global

Re: How many cooks?

2000-12-04 Thread Matt Crawford
Is the IETF now competing with scholarly journals in the race for ``most authors on a single paper''? (No offense intended to the parties listed above, but you'll pardon me if I get a little uncomfortable with the idea of a 29-page document having 26 official authors.) Relax. For

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dave; Thank you. I was hoping someone would point out the support for parallel operation so we could go further down that path. As you note, it seems to be the closest to providing local/global support already. Silly comparison. Efficient postal system works with numbers so called zip

Re: How many cooks?

2000-12-04 Thread Melinda Shore
From: Matt Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:56 AM Subject: Re: How many cooks? Is the IETF now competing with scholarly journals in the race for ``most authors on a single paper''? (No offense intended to the parties listed above, but

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:00:53 PST, lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: "I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to figure out how to type that email address on my keyboard, could you please send me a message, and I'll just hit reply". Wasn't there a Dilbert cartoon regarding sending a page to a pager

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 13:17:45 EST, vint cerf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: to incorporate and refer to domain names. The IA4 alphabet includes essentially just the letters A-Z, numbers 0-9 and the "-" (dash). This is the limit of what is allowed in domain names today. The sad part is, of course,

Re: async voice wireless messaging update

2000-12-04 Thread John Stracke
"James P. Salsman" wrote: QUALCOMM is headquartered in San Diego. I hope a lot of IETFers have the opportunity to request the feature in person. Maybe this will be made easier by the fact that they are co-hosting the terminal room. It's unlikely that the people running the terminal room

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Robert G. Ferrell
Wasn't there a Dilbert cartoon regarding sending a page to a pager number containing a caret? ;) It was a tilde. ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How many cooks?

2000-12-04 Thread Jon Crowcroft
At least the drafts coming into the IETF don't show the same behavior as scientific papers, which is that title length directly correlates with the number of authors. perhaps we shpould encourage i-ds (and rfcs) to have authors from as many countries as possible so that they can be

Re: Apps Area wg and BOF chair meeting

2000-12-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
Suggesting is to run this meeting 7.30-8.30. I.e. only one hour, and with a fixed closing time. I think that is a good idea. Patrik At 08.32 -0800 00-12-04, Patrik Fältström wrote: As usual we have planned a wg/bof chair thursday evening. If people think the meeting is not necessary, let

RE: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Christian Huitema
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 13:17:45 EST, vint cerf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: to incorporate and refer to domain names. The IA4 alphabet includes essentially just the letters A-Z, numbers 0-9 and the "-" (dash). This is the limit of what is allowed in domain names today. The sad part is, of

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Keith Moore
So, at a minimum, we need an IETF specification on how to detect that a domain name part is using a non ascii encoding, so that DNS servers don't get lost. We need a great deal more than that. The real impact of internationalizing DNS names isn't with the DNS protocol or software itself

Example of dns (non) fun

2000-12-04 Thread Dan Kolis
In the present regime, its not surprising the frist below does not resolve and the second does: http://www.déjà.fr/ http://www.deja.fr/ In the proposed regime, its not obvious what to do from a purely consumer point of view. Verisigns view would be each is completely unique. ICANN's dispute

Re: Example of dns (non) fun

2000-12-04 Thread John C Klensin
I suggest you look in on the IDN working group, review their documents if you have not done so, and then take this discussion up on theiir mailing list if you aren't satisfied with the answers you get. john --- --On Monday, December 04, 2000 5:00 PM -0500 Dan Kolis [EMAIL

Re: Example of dns (non) fun

2000-12-04 Thread Karl Auerbach
actually your urls could be: http://www.bq--aduwvya.fr/ http://www.deja.fr/ a application may render the bq--aduwvya.fr as déjà.fr or it may not. Finally it would be up to the URDP process or the courts as to *if* the two domains are the same. We shouldn't worry what the URDP or

Re: Example of dns (non) fun

2000-12-04 Thread Richard Shockey
At 05:00 PM 12/4/2000 -0500, Dan Kolis wrote: In the present regime, its not surprising the frist below does not resolve and the second does: http://www.déjà.fr/ http://www.deja.fr/ In the proposed regime, its not obvious what to do from a purely consumer point of view. Depends on who is the

Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?

2000-12-04 Thread Eric Brunner
I guess one of the first questions should be; "Is some partitioning of the Internet community such a bad thing?"... If the "partition" intended for discussion is "@sign vs !path" addressing conventions, Eric Allman and Peter Honeyman have left a discussion archive on the subject. Arguably