RE: Last Call: draft-klensin-net-utf8 (Unicode Format for Network Interchange) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread Karlsson, Kent
John C Klensin wrote: --Frank Ellermann wrote: ... Hopefully somebody can confirm that IND is correct, or not. For HT and FF I hope the final version will somehow express that both are not really bad, and as far as they're bad FF is worse than HT. See

RE: Last Call: draft-klensin-net-utf8 (Unicode Format for Network Interchange) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread Karlsson, Kent
Frank Ellermann wrote: John C Klensin wrote: It is ambiguous for HT. Yes, but we typically don't care about this in protocols as long as it behaves like one or more spaces. I think that's Well, they don't exactly behave like a sequence of spaces. (See below.) the idea of WSP = SP /

TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Richard Wilbur
To those considering the TLS-authz proposal: The patent shenanigans of RedPhone Security have reduced implementation status from open to taxed at the whim of RedPhone Security. This should be enough to disqualify the proposal from further consideration unless, and until, RedPhone Security grants

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread TS Glassey
What are the retention requirements here Ray and what are the availability requirements per the Stored Communications Act is the US and has this transition ever been scoped out against these constraints? or is it the IETF's intent to ignore US Law again? Todd Glassey - Original Message

Re: TLS-authz experimental standard and RESPONSIBILITY TO PUBLISH

2008-01-14 Thread TS Glassey
Mr. Wilbur, - Original Message - From: Richard Wilbur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: TLS-authz experimental standard To those considering the TLS-authz proposal: The patent shenanigans of RedPhone Security

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 07:51:58AM -0800, TS Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 134 lines which said: or is it the IETF's intent to ignore US Law again? The IETF is (or should be) an international organization. Why should it respect the US law more than, say, the tanzanian law or

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 07:51:58AM -0800, TS Glassey wrote: What are the retention requirements here Ray and what are the availability requirements per the Stored Communications Act is the US and has this transition ever been scoped out against these constraints? or is it the IETF's intent

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread David Conrad
Because the IAOC and ISOC are incorporated and do business in the US and not Tanzania or Mongolia? Regards, -drc On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 07:51:58AM -0800, TS Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 134 lines which said: or is it

Partial Completion of Web Site Transition

2008-01-14 Thread Ray Pelletier
The transition of the following web sites: iaoc.ietf.org trustee.ietf.org www.iab.org has been completed. We encourage you to look through these sites and verify the material you rely on and are familiar with. If you identify an issue please submit an action request to: [EMAIL

The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
The FSF copntinues to attempt to re-open this decision. I don't see any infomation content to these posts, beyond the already known facts that 1) RMS has people read his Web site and 2) perpetrates a one-way form of communication - we have to listen to him but he has no intention of listening

Re: [anonsec] review comments on draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-06.txt

2008-01-14 Thread Stephen Kent
At 6:00 PM -0600 1/11/08, Nicolas Williams wrote: ... Finally, multi-user systems may need to authenticate individual users to other entities, in which case IPsec is inapplicable[*]. (I cannot find a mention of this in the I-D, not after a quick skim.) [*] At least to my reading of RFC4301,

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread Russ Housley
The archives are being transitions too. At 10:51 AM 1/14/2008, TS Glassey wrote: What are the retention requirements here Ray and what are the availability requirements per the Stored Communications Act is the US and has this transition ever been scoped out against these constraints? or is it

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore (IMAP METADATA Extension) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread Alexey Melnikov
The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'IMAP METADATA Extension ' draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-12.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Re: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Sam Hartman
Hallam-Baker, == Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hallam-Baker, The FSF copntinues to attempt to re-open this Hallam-Baker, decision. Phil, I think the important point here can be made in a much more neutral manner. The last call period is closed. Additional discussion

Re: [anonsec] review comments on draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-06.txt

2008-01-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:25:53PM -0500, Stephen Kent wrote: At 6:00 PM -0600 1/11/08, Nicolas Williams wrote: ... Finally, multi-user systems may need to authenticate individual users to other entities, in which case IPsec is inapplicable[*]. (I cannot find a mention of this in the I-D,

Re: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-01-15 09:19, Sam Hartman wrote: Hallam-Baker, == Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hallam-Baker, The FSF copntinues to attempt to re-open this Hallam-Baker, decision. Phil, I think the important point here can be made in a much more neutral manner. The last

Re: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:27:02AM -0800, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The FSF copntinues to attempt to re-open this decision. I don't see any infomation content to these posts, beyond the already known facts that 1) RMS has people read his Web site and 2) perpetrates a one-way form of

Re: Transitioning the IETF web site and email services

2008-01-14 Thread SM
At 08:01 14-01-2008, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: The IETF is (or should be) an international organization. Why should it respect the US law more than, say, the tanzanian law or the mongolian law? The IETF is an organized activity of the ISOC. ISOC is incorporated in the US as a non-profit.

Re: [anonsec] review comments on draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-06.txt

2008-01-14 Thread Stephen Kent
At 2:06 PM -0600 1/14/08, Nicolas Williams wrote: ... Ipsec does support ^ You're slipping :) :) oh my! per-user authentication if protocol ID and port pairs can be used to distinguish the

Re: Partial Completion of Web Site Transition

2008-01-14 Thread Franck Martin
and these are all IPv6 enabled sites... Ray Pelletier wrote: The transition of the following web sites: iaoc.ietf.org trustee.ietf.org www.iab.org has been completed. We encourage you to look through these sites and verify the material you rely on and are familiar with. If you

Re: Vote on tls-authz??? (fwd)

2008-01-14 Thread TS Glassey
Dean - I guess I don't get what the problem is. The IETF's process standards require that there be two instances of a technological specification implemented to create the proposed standard, so as long as that was done, it seems to me that the only issue here is whether the parties who donate

Re: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Dave Crocker
Theodore Tso wrote: Actually, to be fair, I don't think this can be laid at the feet of the FSF. Todd Glassey replied to a message approximately 3 months old with some legal reasoning that at best seems highly contorted, and at worst total nonsense. All of which raises the deeper

RE: The Sgt at Arms Please? RE: TLS-authz experimental standard

2008-01-14 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
My mail client only shows the arrival date as today. Admittedly I am on a somewhat limited Webmail version after my laptop hit a halt and catch fire instruction. But the message has certainly been reinjected somehow. From: Dave Crocker [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-net-utf8 (Unicode Format forNetwork Interchange) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread Frank Ellermann
Karlsson, Kent wrote: Doing what you call 'old HTAB-compression' is a bad idea Yes, nevertheless it is something that happens sometimes, and protocols accepting *WSP or 1*WSP can handle the odd effects. Starting a folded line (in headers) with HT isn't too bad. [LS and PS] They were

RE: Last Call: draft-klensin-net-utf8 (Unicode Format for Network Interchange) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 14 January, 2008 11:11 +0100 Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I think this document is at least one draft, maybe two or three drafts, away from being of sufficient clarity and of sufficient quality to become a standards document. In addition you state that you don't

Call for Nominations: IETF-Selected ISOC Trustee

2008-01-14 Thread IAB Chair
The Internet Society (ISOC) provides organizational and financial support for the IETF. As part of the arrangements between ISOC and the IETF, the IETF is called upon to name 3 Trustees to its Board (BoT), with staggered 3 year terms. This requires that the IETF select one Trustee each year. A

Complete Web Transition: www.iab.org, trustee.ietf.org

2008-01-14 Thread IETF Administrative Director
The transition of the following web sites: iaoc.ietf.org trustee.ietf.org www.iab.org has been completed. We encourage you to look through these sites and verify the material you rely on and are familiar with. If you identify an issue please submit an action request to: [EMAIL

Last Call: draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess (Management Event Management Information Base (MIB) for PacketCable- and IPCablecom-Compliant Devices) to Proposed Standard

2008-01-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP over Cable Data Network WG (ipcdn) to consider the following document: - 'Management Event Management Information Base (MIB) for PacketCable- and IPCablecom-Compliant Devices ' draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-12.txt as a Proposed Standard The

Protocol Action: 'IANA Allocation Guidelines for the Protocol Field' to BCP

2008-01-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IANA Allocation Guidelines for the Protocol Field ' draft-arkko-rfc2780-proto-update-02.txt as a BCP This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Russ Housley. A URL