Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-17 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:16 -0700, Sandy Ginoza wrote: 2) In the following, we suggest that ASN.1 (and particularly MIBs and MIB-related details) be updated to reflect MIBs. Although MIB modules are written using a subset of ASN.1, the RPC does not check all ASN.1, we only check MIBs. This

Re: stability of iana.org URLs

2013-08-01 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 01:10 -0700, Amanda Baber wrote: Hi, The link in RFC3315 is actually incorrect -- it should have been http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers, without the file extension, and there's an erratum about this. HTML was generally (if not exclusively) reserved for

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option

2012-05-24 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 19:12 -0400, Samuel Weiler wrote: With that said, there are some things that need clarification, and the doc sorely needs an editorial pass. As-is, the doc is not ready for publication. I will be happy to review the doc again once it's been thoroughly edited. It

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-23 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 17:00 -0500, Kim Kinnear wrote: This says MAY leave open. That's not the complement to SHOULD close. We don't really care if you keep it open or not. Really. If you think that you will be happier, keep it open. If you think it is simpler to close it

Re: [secdir] Secdir review of draft-ietf-sidr-res-certs

2011-03-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 11:31 -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: for changes that need to change the system's semantics, you change the certificates in a way that relying parties that don't understand the change won't accept the certificate. Sure. The way to do that is to issue a certificate with a

secdir review of draft-groves-eccsi-00.txt

2011-01-19 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document defines an identity-based encryption

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09

2010-09-22 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:34:50 PM -0400 Barry Leiba barryleiba.mailing.li...@gmail.com wrote: There's a distinction, here, between a protocol and a user interface for configuration. My mother doesn't know whom to trust, except that she knows that she (at least kinda-sorta) trusts

secdir review of draft-lawrence-sipforum-user-agent-config-01

2010-05-03 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

Re: [AFS3-std] Re: Last Call: draft-allbery-afs-srv-records (DNS SRV Resource Records for AFS) to Proposed Standard

2010-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Wednesday, February 03, 2010 03:27:01 PM -0800 Russ Allbery r...@stanford.edu wrote: SM s...@resistor.net writes: At 17:03 01-02-10, Russ Allbery wrote: Ah, thank you. Changed to SHOULD on the assumption that the (pre-2119) language in RFC 1034 was intended to have roughly the same

Re: [AFS3-std] Re: Last Call: draft-allbery-afs-srv-records (DNS SRV Resource Records for AFS) to Proposed Standard

2010-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Thursday, February 04, 2010 01:59:36 PM -0500 Jeffrey Altman jalt...@secure-endpoints.com wrote: On 2/4/2010 12:02 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: --On Wednesday, February 03, 2010 03:27:01 PM -0800 Russ Allbery r...@stanford.edu wrote: SM s...@resistor.net writes: At 17:03 01-02-10

Re: [AFS3-std] Re: Last Call: draft-allbery-afs-srv-records (DNS SRV Resource Records for AFS) to Proposed Standard

2010-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Thursday, February 04, 2010 02:20:27 PM -0500 Jeffrey Altman jalt...@secure-endpoints.com wrote: On 2/4/2010 2:05 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: That's not the text we're talking about. Sure. Context was lost in the thread as the message-ids are not consistent. The text I think is being

Re: Last Call: draft-allbery-afs-srv-records (DNS SRV Resource Records for AFS) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Friday, January 08, 2010 07:28:51 AM -0800 The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'DNS SRV Resource Records for AFS ' draft-allbery-afs-srv-records-03.txt as a Proposed Standard I

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: At its base, your exercise seems to be an effort at doing the IAOC's job for it. It's their job to research venue details and make choices and to ensure the logistics for productive IETF meetings.

Re: [sasl] Last Call: draft-ietf-sasl-scram

2009-09-15 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:16:44 PM -0400 John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: I really don't think (3) is a good idea, but an unqualified MUST ... UTF8, SHOULD SASLprep strikes me as a terrible idea simply because the same character, coded in different ways through no fault of

Re: [sasl] Last Call: draft-ietf-sasl-scram

2009-09-15 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Tuesday, September 15, 2009 02:55:54 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams nicolas.willi...@sun.com wrote: I think the right answer is to leave _query_ strings unnormalized and require that _storage_ strings be normalized (see my separate reply on that general topic, with a different Subject:, just

Re: [74attendees] [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

2009-08-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:14:33 AM -0400 Phil Shafer p...@juniper.net wrote: Randy Bush writes: now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, how, why, and black helicopters. Can we GPL/CCL the artwork? Or would this mean that I have to give a t-shirt to

Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Thursday, January 08, 2009 02:49:16 PM -0800 Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: From my perspective, the best approach involves keeping the general case simple. The documents that have been transferred outside the IETF in the past five years is a single digit number, a tenth of a percent

Re: RFC 5378 Trademarks (was where to send RFC 5378 license forms)

2009-01-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:32:12 AM -0500 Contreras, Jorge jorge.contre...@wilmerhale.com wrote: For background, the trademark license was included in RFC 3978 because someone was concerned about Contributors who submitted documents to IETF for standards-track use and included

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option-04

2008-12-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Sunday, December 07, 2008 12:18:37 PM -0700 Cullen Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the claim that attacks are easier to do with VoIP Configuration Server Address than the TFTP Server Name to be pretty dubious. Me too. That said, I think this security discussion is going

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option-04

2008-12-02 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 02:58:25 AM -0500 Samuel Weiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The security considerations section cites rogue DHCP servers as attack vectors, but doesn't do enough to encourage the use of DHCP Auth. In many deployments, DHCP is used by devices which have no prior

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option-04

2008-12-02 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Tuesday, December 02, 2008 03:53:58 PM -0500 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On Tuesday, 02 December, 2008 15:23 -0500 Ralph Droms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam - I think most of the issues in your review of draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option-04 can be resolved by reviewing the

Re: Proposed IESG Statement Regarding RFC Errata for IETF Sream RFCs

2008-04-16 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
I support adoption of these proposed guidelines, but have a couple of minor comments... After an erratum is reported, a report will be sent to the authors and Area Directors (ADs) of the WG in which it originated. If the WG has closed or the document was not associated with a WG,

LC comments on draft-klensin-net-utf8-07.txt

2008-01-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
The following sentence appears near the beginning of section 4: In retrospect, one of the advantages of ASCII [X3.4-1978] when it was chosen was that the code space was full when the Standard was first published. There was no practical way to add characters or change code point assignments

Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-l2vpn-oam-req-frmk-09

2008-01-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
--On Monday, December 17, 2007 05:00:46 PM +0100 Tobias Gondrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DM Please note that the document explicitly states the requirements which are called out as Rxx. There requirements are meant to be coherent with RFC-2119 language and these are indeed covered as such. The

secdir review of draft-ietf-v6ops-scanning-implications-03

2007-10-31 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-04.txt

2007-10-03 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, October 01, 2007 10:34:37 AM -0600 Danny McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that in real deployments just this behavior has broken things on occasion, as many firewall and other such policy application points assume things like DNS resolution will only be UDP/53

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-04.txt

2007-10-01 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, September 25, 2007 09:36:23 AM +1000 Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Introduction seems a bit defensive in stating that the DOS attacks are not due to any flaw in the design of DNS or its implementations. While the blame for the attacks lies with the attackers, some

Re: [saag] [Ietf-http-auth] Next step on web phishing draft (draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-05.txt)

2007-09-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Saturday, September 08, 2007 01:53:36 PM -0700 Eric Rescorla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexey wrote: This message is trying to summarize recent discussions on draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-05.txt. Several people voiced their support for the document (on IETF mailing list and in various

Re: chicago IETF IPv6 connectivity

2007-07-02 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:56:59 PM -0400 Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: Maybe we are getting to the point in time where we should only have IPv6 at IETF meetings good luck. Until the ISPs and our corporate networks deploy it, we

Re: Domain Centric Administration, RE: draft-ietf-v6ops-natpt-to-historic-00.txt

2007-07-02 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, July 02, 2007 07:01:28 AM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And from a security point I want to see as much NAT as possible. Whereas I want my applications to work, and people to stop conflating NAT and firewalls. You don't want to see as much NAT as

Re: On the IETF Consensus process

2007-05-24 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, May 23, 2007 06:56:10 PM -0700 Lakshminath Dondeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff, On a first scan of your email I thought to myself, I agree with most of it and so pondered about the problem that I was trying to put forth in front of the community. The conclusion was that

Re: On the IETF Consensus process

2007-05-23 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:40:43 PM -0700 Lakshminath Dondeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, Scott, Many thanks for your responses, but here are some followup notes. The problem I see is that WG chairs and ADs have a lot of latitude in running WGs or areas. This is not a problem;

Re: TLS requirements (Last Call: draft-ietf-atompub-protocol to Proposed Standard)

2007-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Sunday, May 20, 2007 01:41:29 PM -0700 Eric Rescorla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that these specs should explicitly specify which TLS version to support. As a practical matter, this is either 1.0 or 1.1, since 1.2 is not yet finished. Unfortunately, which one to require isn't really

Re: Withdrawal of Approval and Second Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2007-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:16:30 AM +0200 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The assumption is false: the goal of free software is not to make the Internet work better. The assumption is not false. The goal of the IETF is to make the Internet work better. I assume Brian

Re: Withdrawal of Approval and Second Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2007-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:34:42 AM -0400 Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I think your concerns about this particular license are overstated. Neither this patent license nor the open-source software licenses you quote are as buggy as you seem to think

Re: Last Call: draft-williams-on-channel-binding (On the Use ofChannel Bindings to Secure Channels) to Proposed Standard

2007-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:09:24 PM -0700 Randy Presuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - From: Tom.Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-williams-on-channel-binding (On the Use ofChannel Bindings to Secure

RE: Withdrawal of Approval and Second Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2007-03-30 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, March 30, 2007 10:12:14 AM -0700 Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:50 AM -0500 3/29/07, Mark Brown wrote: I have experienced some surprises when mixing law and Internet standards. To try to avoid surprises, I have hired IPR attorneys at two different firms to review my

Re: Identifying meeting attendees

2007-03-30 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, March 30, 2007 02:59:51 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if there are multiple, independent, interoperable implementations. On the contrary, this is one case where we must be careful _not_ to allow interoperability. If the robots could interoperate,

Re: Remote participation (re: identifying yourself at the mic)

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 02:39:49 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'd be nice if there was a way for remote participants who are able to speak to do so. We tried ad-hoc VOIP + MP3 feed at IETF67 in the KITTEN WG, but the round-trip latency was awful -- we need a

Re: Remote participation (re: identifying yourself at the mic)

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 01:10:25 PM -0700 Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: It'd be nice if there was a way for remote participants who are able to speak to do so. We tried ad-hoc VOIP + MP3 feed at IETF67 in the KITTEN WG, but the round-trip latency was

Re: Remote participation (re: identifying yourself at the mic)

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 03:46:27 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:42:33PM -0400, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 02:39:49 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'd be nice if there was a way for remote

Re: Remote participation (re: identifying yourself at the mic)

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 03:59:45 PM -0500 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:51:05PM -0400, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: Perhaps Sun would like to volunteer its system for an experiment? It isn't ours. As best I can tell we use some high-end conference

Re: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic)

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 02:42:19 PM -0700 Andy Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are so many Process Wonks in the IETF who feel it is their sworn duty to yell State your name please! I think it's unfair to call people who do that process wonks or any other derogatory term. Most

Re: RFID

2007-03-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, March 27, 2007 03:51:56 PM -0700 Andy Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonk_%28slang%29 According to wikipedia, a policy wonk is someone knowledgeable about and fascinated by details of government policy and programs If that is derogatory then I'm

RE: identifying yourself at the mic

2007-03-26 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, March 19, 2007 11:56:07 AM -0400 Steve Silverman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be simpler, cheaper, and more reliable to have one guy with a whistle in each meeting who could blow the whistle and ask for the speaker's name when appropriate. That guy is called the chair.

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, March 07, 2007 04:23:20 PM -0800 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do need to revise the architecture description. Using IP addresses as implicit signalling You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Another instance that

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP

2007-02-28 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 03:56:44 PM -0500 Eric Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many cases (probably the vast majority) where a document is advancing despite a downward normative reference, the referenced document (and the technology described therein) is no less stable

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, February 13, 2007 08:33:44 PM + Adrian Farrel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main IETF mailing list is a compromise, but not particularly good as it may obscure the other traffic on the list. Oh, yes; it would be a shame if discussion of documents in IETF Last Call caused

Re: Last Call: draft-heard-rfc4181-update (RFC 4181 Update to Recognize the IETF Trust) to BCP [WAS: Gen-art review of draft-heard-rfc4181-update-00.txt]

2007-02-13 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, February 12, 2007 10:26:13 AM -0800 C. M. Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title of the draft could be more explicit. Now it mentions RFC 4181. It could also indicate that it is an update to the Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of MIB Documents. I disagree with this

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:20:54 AM -0500 The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Internet Engineering Steering Group (iesg) to consider the following document: - 'Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents '

Re: secdir review of draft-ietf-hip-mm-04.txt

2007-01-30 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007 08:26:01 PM +0100 Christian Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should probably be rephrased to: This UPDATE packet is acknowledged by the peer. For reliability in the presence of packet loss, the UPDATE packet is retransmitted in case no

Re: secdir review of draft-ietf-hip-mm-04.txt

2007-01-30 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:04:37 PM +0100 Christian Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given that the protocol right now only allows type-1 locators, do you think that the handling of different locator types could be left to those protocol extensions that specify them? I think you need to

secdir review of draft-ietf-hip-mm-04.txt

2007-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments (Deployment Considerations for lemonade-compliant Mobile Email) to BCP

2007-01-17 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 04:31:37 PM -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s/exist a large number/exists a large number/ in 8 (?) I think you're right, but it sounds funny to my ear, so I'd prefer there are a large number. This is getting into the realm of trivial

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-16 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, January 12, 2007 04:04:08 PM -0500 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me ask a silly question here: Why do we want to distinguish proto shepherds from chairs? I at least hope all my WGs will produce documents. That means most of my chairs will be proto shepherds. Does the

Re: Discuss criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:49:33 PM + Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C. PROCEDURAL BREAKAGE --- * IETF process related to document advancement was not carried out; e.g., there are unresolved and substantive Last Call comments which the document

Re: Discuss criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:21:37 AM +0100 Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Leslie wrote: This is venturing into dangerous territory. The best expertise on the technical issues involved _should_ be in the WG that produced the document. Expecting to find _better_

Re: Discuss criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, January 04, 2007 03:12:07 PM +0100 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see where you get that from. I can think of two cases where we might get such an assertion from an AD: 1. The IETF Last Call did generate dissent. I'd expect this to be the common case.

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 11:03:00 AM + Adrian Farrel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we don't do this then they simply are not DISCUSSes. They are just post-it notes. Not true. Remember that DISCUSS is a ballot position. As I understand it from my conversation with an IESG member

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 12:52:16 PM +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This lack of communication may cause friction. IESG members raise issues, which ends up the tracker, and for which they might not receive any response at all on. They may get the impression that the

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 08:09:58 PM +0100 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about allowing PROTO shepherds to post to the I-D tracker? Can't they ? At least the questionnaire (modulo 1F) is posted. Not at present. The writeup is posted by whoever processed the

Re: draft status links on the wg pages?

2006-12-20 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, December 20, 2006 07:19:10 AM -0800 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we rely on volunteers for a number of IETF activities, beyond writing specs, it is at least worth exploring this additional avenue of saving money (and maybe even getting better operations,

Re: ion-ion-store open for public comment

2006-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, December 18, 2006 10:41:56 PM -0800 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: One might want to wonder, a bit, about the IETF's having a growing number of such documents, and that this might make it more difficult to know enough about IETF procedures

Re: ion-ion-store open for public comment

2006-12-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Sunday, December 17, 2006 06:05:45 PM -0800 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One might want to wonder, a bit, about the IETF's having a growing number of such documents, and that this might make it more difficult to know enough about IETF procedures and the like On the contrary, I

Re: [secdir] Review of draft-manral-ipsec-rfc4305-bis-errata-02.txt

2006-12-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, December 11, 2006 04:34:54 PM -0600 Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:30:26PM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: Nico: Use of the NULL ESP algorithm implies no confidentiality protection, while use of the NULL AH algorithm implies no integrity

Re: DNS Choices: Was: [ietf-dkim] Re: Last Call: 'DomainKeys

2006-12-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, November 22, 2006 04:00:49 PM + Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SMTP, on the other hand is an operational failure and even today, no one really knows how to properly implement and properly maintain an SMTP service. The

Re: Last Call: 'Progressive Posting Rights Supsensions' to BCP (draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-23 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, October 23, 2006 04:14:10 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) Any language in 3683 that appears to limit other actions with regard to mailing list abuse needs to be overridden. Agree. IMHO this is by far the most important part of Brian's proposal, or of its

Re: draft-iesg-discuss-criteria (was: [...] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-19 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, October 20, 2006 04:01:13 AM +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the draft in question that means that it's now at 12:2, and if one member changes his or her mind it could fail with a 11:3. You are confusing the normal balloting process with the alternative one.

Re: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-09 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, October 04, 2006 02:31:36 PM -0700 todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vidya good commentary, maybe I can add some more. The NEA, per the charter-need's justification statement says: Network Endpoint Assessment (NEA) architectures have been implemented in the industry to

Re: As Promised, an attempt at 2026bis

2006-10-03 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:27:36 AM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good. If we disagree, it is only on what a formal change constitutes. I would consider an in-depth summary of what is wrong with 2026 (at least on any basis other than a personal informational opinion

Re: As Promised, an attempt at 2026bis

2006-09-29 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, September 29, 2006 11:28:56 PM +0200 Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point here is that the three step process is not used as intended. Existing practice clearly demonstrates that the vast majority of our work - far more than intended - never reaches beyond PS. This is

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 08:49:19 AM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But that isn't what the term means in common (non-IETF) practice and the document is quite specific that the return value contain exactly one label (er, item) with no provision at all for two.

Re: Last Call: 'Domain Suffix Option for DHCPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-dnsdomain)

2006-09-27 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 28, 2006 07:32:17 AM +1000 Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except it doesn't say label; that's your interpretation. I grant it is an entirely reasonable interpretation, and in fact the alternate interpretation that was suggested is not one that would have

Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process rather than some

2006-09-14 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 14, 2006 01:37:11 PM +0100 Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't he barred from posting here? Perhaps, but one of the checks against abuse of the ability to bar posters is that they can still get a point across if they can convince someone else to forward their

RE: what happened to newtrk?

2006-09-12 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 06:06:08 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. I did not address that issue, partially because, personally, I do not consider it very important. While documenting what we are doing would be nice, I don't believe the community is

RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-08 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Ned Freed wrote: I don't think the lack of support for unencrypted IMAP or POP is quite sufficient. What's to stop an attacker acting as a MITM (by publishing a bogus SRV record or whatever) getting an unencypted connection and turning around and connecting to the server

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 07:07:51 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, 2195 is not, itself, a SASL method and there is nothing in the procedural rules as I understand them that permits the SASL WG to de-standardize it (you could write any of several styles of

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 07:48:45 PM -0400 Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, he could ask that 2195 be advanced as-is, but I would expect such an effort to fail, as that version has turned out to be somewhat underspecified. Multiple interoperable implementations

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, September 08, 2006 04:49:11 AM +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my real problem: If users or worse implementors don't know how stuff works it's bad. What you end up with are some hypothetical situations like this: A hypothetical situation is one that

RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 08:12:44 PM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The solution to this particular problem is to use SSL as the transport. IMAP and POP both support this use. It is a trivial matter to discover that IMAPS is supported using an SRV record. Of

RE: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-06 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 02:08:06 PM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One simple fix here would be to publish the list on IETF announce BEFORE it goes to the secretariat and to ONLY use that list regardless of whether people are excluded or not. I like that

Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-09-01 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:11:51 AM -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Galvin wrote: But there is a part of the process that is not public: the actual selection of eligible volunteers. 1) The criteria are public. 2) The result is public, with the intention of

Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-08-31 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, August 31, 2006 06:43:53 AM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore the absence of a complaint makes things worse not better. Phill, I can assure you from personal knowledge that at least one complaint _was_ made. As Brian noted, Andrew took action

Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

2006-08-31 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, August 31, 2006 09:26:11 AM -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ned Freed wrote: The goal of this process is not just to make it hard to game the system, but also for everyone to be completely confident the system has not been gamed. Allowing the same person that

Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

2006-07-25 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 04:24:01 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd like to suggest that 2.e be changed a little bit: OLD: Submit document to IESG for review of conflicts or confusion with IETF process, end runs around working group activities, and

Re: Flaw in the NOTEWell System makes NOTEWELL NOTWELL

2006-07-25 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 03:44:21 PM -0700 todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there Audit Fans - Lets look at NoteWell and figure out how it interacts with Corporate Governance and Compliance Policies... First of all, you keep using the word NOTEWELL as if it is the name of

Re: Response to the Appeal by [...]

2006-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, July 20, 2006 01:04:39 PM -0500 Pete Resnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/19/06 at 9:02 AM -0400, Thomas Narten wrote: ...it makes no sense to appeal to ISOC that the process itself was unfair and has failed to produce a proper result, if there wasn't first an appeal on

Re: Response to the Appeal by [...]

2006-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:02:23 AM -0700 todd glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way - why would the IETF figure that something it wrote in IPR or Network or any other WG would be legally binding on ISOC and its BOT??? Heh. Network isn't an IETF working group; the phrase Network

Re: questions about Dallas money

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, July 12, 2006 06:09:42 PM -0400 Michael Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 $177/person for FB. So, if I put $20 of looneys in my pocket each day ... your pocket would be pretty heavy. Since water, soda, and cookies are all

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, July 17, 2006 10:11:07 AM -0400 Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me Paris and Montreal were the two worst meetings I have experienced in ten years because of the separation of the IETF hotel from the meeting locations and the in ability to provide network access in the

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Saturday, July 15, 2006 05:24:45 AM -0400 Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. gee whiz, that was a bunch of work for me. You had a tool? arg... It's best to always ask Henrik and/or Bill if they have a tool. Often they do, and if not, it may take less time to produce it than

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, July 17, 2006 06:46:11 AM -0700 Andy Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I didn't find a terminal room, but instead a giant 'break room' for ad-hoc meetings and food breaks. This was wonderful, and about time! 802.11 has thankfully made the terminal room obsolete. I

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:03:34 AM +0100 Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:38:15AM -0400, Stephen Campbell wrote: Or skip the car. Fly into LAX, take one of several shuttles to Los Angeles Union Station, and take Amtrak's Surfliner to San Diego. These trains

Re: Minutes and jabber logs

2006-07-18 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:14:00 PM +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the minutes are properly written, it's enough to ask for agreement on the minutes. Yes, but you have to be careful. Many organizations follow a practice in which the members approve the minutes of

Re: IETF IPv6 platform configuration

2006-07-06 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:45:52 AM -0400 Bill Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like 3 out of 4 data channel establishment mechanisms are broken with this FTP server software and configuration for IPv4. I didn't test with IPv6. I did, inadvertently. PASV worked, as did at

RE: IETF IPv6 platform configuration

2006-07-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:53:59 PM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agh, replied to the wrong message there in case it was not obvious. I was not suggesting using the subway in the hotel as an IPv6 platform. -Original Message- From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip

RE: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

2006-06-28 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, June 28, 2006 09:45:27 AM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think it would be a good thing to make it an inviolate rule that a chair can never be an editor. Nor do I. I do think that there should be a fixed rule prohibiting members of the IESG

Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

2006-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, June 26, 2006 11:24:55 AM -0400 Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu wrote: Perhaps requirements documents should be more like rationale documents: we chose to solve this problem in this way because of this... In general we need to discourage the meme requirements documents. No, we

Re: IANA SLA Input Sought

2006-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, June 26, 2006 04:22:57 PM -0400 IETF Administrative Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IAOC is negotiating a service level agreement with ICANN/IANA for services it performs on behalf of the IETF. The SLA supplements the MOU executed by ICANN and the IETF in 2000. Who does

Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

2006-06-23 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, June 23, 2006 05:24:11 PM -0400 Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu wrote: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:18:40 -0400 Burger, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would offer that in *some* groups the running code bar is reasonable. I would have little objection to requiring running code as a

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