Re: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Cyrus, Even the notion of First Name and Last Name is specific to a certain group of cultures. Family Name and Given Name don't always go in the same order, and it is not always the case that people are called by their given name in informal situations, as you can see in the drafts on

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mike, On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net wrote: We have an IETF culture - like it or not. It changes over time, as the population changes. We can't and shouldn't expect to be able to change it by fiat, or to adopt as whole cloth a bias free culture (for

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-28 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Tom, On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:03 AM, t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: If we required the IETF to reflect the diversity of people who are, e.g., IT network professionals, then the IETF would fall apart for lack of ability. […] If the ADs of the IETF have to represent the diversity of the

Re: Meritocracy, diversity, and leaning on the people you know

2013-04-21 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Excellent post, Ted. I really like your suggestions, and I think these are the types of things we should be doing to more widely leverage the talents of people who are available to participate in the IETF. Margaret On Apr 19, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Ted Hardie ted.i...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: If we read each document in the world we know the answer; who owns the copyright for these documents? so only owner can update it or to change category name as per proposed, All of the (at least recent) RFCs

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-23 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 22, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 3/22/2013 4:43 AM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: ... Granted, it may be that the list of _qualified_ candidates is less diverse than the set of all people who are willing to run. But, if so, that isn't because there aren't companies

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 22, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: But I suspect the idea that there are fewer companies when the word startup seems to automatically imply something Internet related is wrong. There's plenty of small companies, but engagement in the IETF is either

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Stewart, On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: Age Disability Gender reassignment Marriage and civil partnership Pregnancy and maternity Race Religion and belief Sex Sexual orientation The U.S. has a similar (although not identical) list, and it may

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-19 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org wrote: I'd love to get out of this rat hole. Perhaps the signatories of the open letter can restate the problem they see so it isn't made in terms of race and gender. The letter specifically mentioned the axes of race, gender,

Extra Social Ticket

2013-03-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I have an extra social ticket I could sell if anyone wants it. I'll probably try to be on one of the first buses, so contact me soon if you want it. Margaret

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:20 PM, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: Diversity of IETF Leadership begins at the bottom. It is challenging for reasons which I unfortunately cannot describe. I am supportive of the effort. I am not comfortable with quotas. My preference is to see that

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org wrote: In other words, the statement that gender and racial diversity in groups makes them smarter has no basis in fact. Do you feel that an all-female group is stupider than a similarly sized group that is equal parts male and

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-08 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Unfortunately, Sam, your model is simply wrong. The IESG defines the job requirements. The Nomcom selects according to those criteria. I'm been in a number of Nomcom's that wished for some flexibility concerning job

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Russ, On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: The rest of your question ought to be discussed at the TSVAREA meeting in Orlando. I have looked at the agenda of the TSV Area Open Meeting (on Wednesday from 9:00am to 11:30am), and it includes the following

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Jari, On Mar 6, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: And I think we should have a broader view about this than just updating the requirements for the seat. There are a couple of other aspects to consider as well. First, perhaps the way that we have organised TSV is

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 6, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: I'd like to receive some explanation (privately or publicly) about why we are doing this in the middle of the nomcom process that makes any sense to me… I didn't want to imply that we necessarily couple the actions we

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eric, The IETF Chair (who also chairs the IESG) is not selected by the IESG members from amongst themselves. The IETF Chair is chosen by the nomcom directly. The IAB chair is chosen by the IAB as you have described. Margaret On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-05 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Russ, On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: The problem with this argument is that it appears that we have a choice between limited knowledge of congestion control and an empty seat. Which one is more likely to be able to learn about it? If that were

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Margaret Wasserman
The problem with this argument is that it appears that we have a choice between limited knowledge of congestion control and an empty seat. Which one is more likely to be able to learn about it? Margaret On Mar 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu wrote: Mary == Mary

Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2013-02-26 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I think the problem is that if they said 0:00, it would be on Tuesday, February 26th, not Monday, February 25th, and people would submit a day late... Margaret On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/26/13 1:25 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote: Seriously, what

Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2013-02-26 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: But more seriously: I agree with you both. The deadline is silly. +1 The deadline originated because the secretariat needed time to post all of those drafts (by hand) before the meeting. The notion of an automated

Re: Recall petition for Mr. Marshall Eubanks

2012-11-01 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I am more concerned than disappointed about Marshall's disappearance from the IETF. However, I agree that complete absence from an I* position for three months without explanation should be grounds for recall. So, please consider me to be one of the signers of this petition. Marshall, if

Re: Exceptional cases

2012-10-26 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:11 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 26/10/2012 02:22, Richard Barnes wrote: would be wrong. The idea here is that applying _punitive_ action (such as removal from a position) retroactively is not fair, Oh, for heaven's sake. This is nothing to do with punishment. This

Re: Just so I'm clear

2012-10-24 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I get what you're saying, but this is one of those times where (arguably for the better) we've created a difficult procedure that should be infrequently exercised. We should follow the procedure because it _is_ the procedure. And then use the

Re: Some thoughts about draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-02.txt

2012-08-23 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Why do you want to rule out employees of those groups? I don't think that most of them would have any interest in volunteering for the nomcom, but why would it be a problem if they did? I mean, I could picture someone who worked for the RFC Editor who was also technically involved in the

Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)

2012-08-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
+1 On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Richard Shockey wrote: [RS ] +1 and no employer ever argued that going to Minneapolis was a boondoggle. The Hilton in Minneapolis of all the IETF meetings I’ve attended has the most optimal layout of meeting rooms etc. If we were to choose one place in

Re: Is the IETF aging?

2012-04-27 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, SM wrote: Mary Barnes is the only participant who mentions the gender problem. As such, I gather that the IETF does not have a gender problem. :-) The rest of us are too busy struggling to succeed in this male-dominated regime to have time to read these threads.

Re: Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
What is the value in publishing a living document as an RFC (which inherently a static, archival document)? Wouldn't it make more sense to convert the contents of this document to a Wiki page that we could jointly edit and maintain going forward? Margaret On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Dave

Re: An Antitrust Policy for the IETF

2011-11-29 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Russ, I don't know what an antitrust policy is... Could you explain? Is this something like a conflict of interest policy? Or is it a policy to avoid situations where we might be engaging in some sort of collusion? Your plan sounds fine to me, on general principles, but I'd like to know

Re: An Antitrust Policy for the IETF

2011-11-29 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Russ Housley wrote: I looked at the antitrust policies of other SDOs. They state the things that are prohibited from discussion at their meetings and on their mail lists. Oh, I've been involved in some industry SDOs that had something like this... Rules against

Re: An Antitrust Policy for the IETF

2011-11-29 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi SM, On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:38 AM, SM wrote: There isn't any information about why an antitrust policy is needed except for a suggestion from an insurance agent. It was mentioned that the IETF counsel indicated that such a policy is needed. Addressing some of your point: As far as I

Re: Clarification on EDU tram

2011-11-16 Thread Margaret Wasserman
HI Spencer, We are responsible for the tutorials, which includes deciding what new tutorials are needed, and working with people in the community to deliver them. Not all of the people who _teach_ the tutorials are on the EDU Team, although there is some overlap. There as been discussion of

Re: NomCom 2011-2012 feedback

2011-11-01 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi SM, Dear 2011-2012 nominating committee members, You requested feedback from the IETF community for positions on the IESG, IAB and IAOC. As none of the candidates shared their views about a simple question that was asked on the IETF mailing list, I gather that none of them are

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-27 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Fred, On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Fred Baker wrote: There isn't any requirement for a BoF to form a WG. I think you're saying that there shouldn't be; at this instant, there actually is such a requirement. What there isn't a requirement for is a Bar BOF (and I would argue that there

Re: The death John McCarthy

2011-10-27 Thread Margaret Wasserman
+1 On Oct 27, 2011, at 6:04 PM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Thursday, October 27, 2011 14:08 -0700 Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: ... I request that the relevant authors and IETF working group rename what it currently calls LISP to something else. To put it politely, the

Re: meeting slots

2011-10-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
+1 It would also be good to expose the conflict lists that the chairs have provided ahead of time, so that WG participants can point out (hopefully to the chairs) potential conflicts that the chairs may have omitted. Margaret On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In

Re: meeting slots

2011-10-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I was not picturing everyone adding their own conflicts. However, I thought this might help us avoid some of the issues we've had in the past, where obvious group-level conflicts are omitted, and meetings have to be rescheduled at the last moments. Margaret On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:06 PM,

Re: Conclusions on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels

2011-09-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Jari, On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: The IESG discussed the situation with this draft on its call yesterday and decided to approve the document. A formal approval notice will be forthcoming in the next couple of days. What did the IESG decide about when/how this draft

Re: A modest proposal...

2011-08-01 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi All, Within the IETF, it has become common to use the term a A Modest Proposal... as a title for actual proposals for process change within the IETF. This causes some cultural dissonance for me, personally, and I want to make sure that people are aware of the origin of this term, and the

Re: A modest proposal for Friday meeting schedule

2011-08-01 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I greatly prefer the current meeting schedule to one that packs meetings in to a shorter time period on Friday. As another poster mentioned, I too am tired by Friday, and I'm unlikely to stay focused through 5 straight hours of meetings, especially if I'm expected to keep going two hours past

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi David, On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, David Morris wrote: To the best of my knowledge, in the countries you mention, there was no contractual risk that normal activities of the IETF would result in arbitrary cancelation of the remainder of the meeting. That is a good point. The

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
While I do think that the IAOC should be aware of the potential legal implications of where we hold our meetings, I wonder if we are treating China unfairly in this discussion... On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: The PGP Key signing is a good question - I have no idea -

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-08 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Dear Trustees, I agree with the message from Thomas Narten, cc:ed below. I expected, and request that you provide, a reply to John Klensin's appeal that is more directly responsive to the issues that John raised. Also, I agree with John's concerns about discussion of this appeal being

Re: Appeal/Request for Review (was: Re: Proposed Revisions to the IETF Trust Legal Provisions (TLP))

2009-08-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Marshall and Bob, Could you please let us know the current status of this appeal? In the plenary in Stockholm, I understood you to say that you _do_ consider the decisions of the IAOC and the Trust to be subject to the appeals procedure, which I think is a good decision. However, it has

Re: [mif] WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I don't see any compelling reason to change the name of this group at this point... We obviously could change the name if we wanted to, but it would significant cost -- setting up a new mailing list, getting everyone subscribed there, renaming all of the drafts (and thus losing the edit

Re: WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Keith Moore wrote: It seems to me that the general problem is not multiple interfaces, but multiple addresses per host. It doesn't matter (much) whether those addresses result from multiple physical interfaces, a combination of physical and virtual network interfaces, multiple prefixes being

Re: WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
George Tsirtsis wrote: There is, however, significance in the presence of different interfaces in a given non-router node...I do not think either of the other two points (multiple IFs, multiple routes) should be lost completely in the effort to widen/clarify the charter. George P.S.: It would

Re: [mif] WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hui Deng wrote: Hi, Jari, What I suggest is like the below: Connections to Multiple Networks (mif) Personally, I think that this sort of disconnect between WG name and acronym would create long-lived confusion about the name of the

Re: [mif] WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Multiple InterFaces (mif) Last Modified: 2009-04-20 I like this version of the charter very much. I think it does a good job of capturing the area that we need to discuss within MIF. I am hopeful that we can get our charter approved ASAP, so

Re: [mif] WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Dean Willis wrote: My shaman once said For God, everything is just a question of policy. But, we need to reduce this problem to a more mortal scope, and I'm not quite certain that the proposed charter text accomplishes this goal. I agree with you that this is a complex problem. The

Re: WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Christian Vogt wrote: The second topic talks about a problem of applications: When initiating a connection, which pair of source and destination address (and consequently which pair of interfaces) should be used? Again, this issue may come up independently of whether a host has one or

Re: [mif] WG Review: Multiple InterFaces (mif)

2009-04-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Lars, Lars Eggert wrote: On 2009-4-22, at 2:19, Christian Vogt wrote: It seems that folks are considering two related, yet still orthogonal topics for inclusion in the MIF charter: - Conflicts between configuration parameters. - Issues with address selection. I agree that both of these

New NAT66 Discussion List

2008-12-03 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Everyone, I am sending this message to several large groups of people with considerable overlap in an effort to reach everyone who has been participating (actively or passively) in the NAT66 discussions. PLEASE, PLEASE do not reply to this full list. Send any replies to the new

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-11-27 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Ned, On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Ned Freed wrote: Again, it seems clear that since I'm using it I don't regard it as unacceptable... The real question is how it will compare to whatever IPv6 automatic renumbering support ends up in SOHO routers. (Please note that I am entirely

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-11-26 Thread Margaret Wasserman
While most of the discussion about killing NAT66 is happening on the IETF list, we have a much more constructive discussion going on in behave regarding how to define an IPv6 NAT that will meet the needs of network administrators and end-users, while being less destructive to the

Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to applicationdevelopers

2008-11-26 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, I think getting renumbering right and getting it deployed is an essential step in minimizing the use of NAT66. This seems to ignore the fact that we already have a widely deployed solution to site renumbering: NAT.

Re: [BEHAVE] Can we have on NAT66 discussion?

2008-11-14 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: Hi Eric, According to the ADs and WG chairs, the correct forum for the NAT66 discussion is the BEHAVE WG. So, let's discuss it there. Margaret On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments

2008-03-28 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Ray Pelletier wrote: The Trustees adopted the Non-Profit Open Software License 3.0 in September 2007 as the license it would use for open sourcing software done as work-for-hire and that contributed to it, at that time thinking of code contributed by IETF volunteers. See: http://

Re: IETF Eurasia

2007-12-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Since our main source of income is meeting fees, I wonder why you think that financial issues would motivate us to hold fewer meetings... Margaret On Dec 6, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: Well one reason is that it has never happened that way and this institution finds it

Last Minute Reminder: New Sunday Tutorials

2007-12-02 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Document Lifecycle Presenters: Alice Hagens and Margaret Wasserman This tutorial offers an overview of producing documents in the IETF, from version 00 of an Internet-Draft to publication as an RFC. We will cover the working group process, and the required and suggested contents of an Internet

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mike, For your quote let's insert a single word in the key sentence for. The Internet Society, on behalf of the IETF, has contracted [for] the RFC Editor function to the Networking Division of the USC Information Sciences Institute (ISI) in Marina del Rey, CA. See my point? Not

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
, and people who are interested in this topic should probably read all three of them. Margaret -Original Message- From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:23 PM To: Margaret Wasserman; 'Michael StJohns' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-06-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mike, Two organizations: IAB and RFC Editor Two document series: Internet Standards and RFCs The RFC Editor through agreement with the IAB and with funding from the ISOC publishes the Internet Standards series under the banner of the RFC Series. I'll grant that you have a much

RE: Comments on draft-iab-rfc-editor: IETF control

2006-05-31 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eliot, I disagree. Just as I expect you to use your judgment on the IESG I expect the IAB to use their judgment. Community oversight comes in the form of the NOMCOM. If you believe that oversight is not effective, then let's discuss that instead. If an AD or the IESG makes a

RE: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensionsfrom Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-05-16 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi John, I think I understand what you are saying, and I certainly wouldn't object to some more explicit limitations on this experiment. However the current draft does explicitly say that no suspensions can extend past the end of this experimental period (18-months from when it starts), so

RE: [Gen-art] Re: Gen-art review ofdraft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-01.txt

2006-05-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
There are certainly some major weaknesses in the current IETF mailing list management procedures, and those weaknesses are very well-described in this document. I agree that we need to address those weaknesses. However, I am not sure that I agree with the fix proposed in this document. This

Perils of Last Minute Change (Was: RE: [Gen-art] Re: Gen-art review ofdraft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-01.txt)

2006-05-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
There is an interesting lesson to be learned from our mailing list management situation... The mailing list procedures draft currently under discussion (draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-01.txt) contains the following correct assessment of our current mailing list management situation:

RE: [Gen-art] Re: Gen-art review ofdraft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-01.txt

2006-05-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
the current pressures, and I think that our efforts would be better spent on working on a real BCP proposal along the lines you have described below. Margaret -Original Message- From: Sam Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:43 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc

RE: Perils of Last Minute Change (Was: RE: [Gen-art] Re: Gen-art review ofdraft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-01.txt)

2006-05-09 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Harald, The tracker tracks Sorry, I didn't realize where I would find RFC Editor notes in the public tracker. I have now been properly educated. the RFC Editor note was modified (by me) on July 24, 2004. The reason was a comment from Ted Hardie on July 21, augumenting a DISCUSS

RE: Last Call: 'Experimental Procedure for Long Term Suspensions from Mailing Lists' to Experimental RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I know that these comments are late for IETF LC, but Brian Carpenter indicated that I should share them here, anyway... I generally support publication of this draft as an Experimental RFC, and I hope that the IESG will use this mechanism to support more moderate and more effective mailing list

RE: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning JFC (Jefsey) Morfin

2006-01-20 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Harald, - About five people send thank-you notes, and wonder whether the IESG will get off its butt and allow him to be suspended permanently, usually accompanied with ruminations about whether it makes any sense to participate in an organization that is so completely ineffective in

RE: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning JFC (Jefsey) Morfin

2006-01-20 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eliot, RFC 3683 gives you broad discretion on the basis to make a decision, and gives WG chairs broad discretion on what actions they should take. As you had a hand in it, perhaps you can refresh my memory, Just for the record... I was not involved in the publication of RFC 3683.

Re: New lists (was: Anyone not in favor of a PR-Action against [...])

2005-10-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Frank, [Posting as an individual and the author of RFC 3934. My views do not necessarily represent the views of any group, particularly the IESG or my employer.] At 3:33 PM +0200 10/6/05, Frank Ellermann wrote: And so far I think that 3934 is better than 3683, and a hypothetical

Re: Petition to the IESG for a PR-action against Jefsey Morfin posted

2005-09-30 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Julien, I think that there is some misunderstanding regarding what is happening. Harald Alvestrand is not in charge of an IETF PR-action process, and he has no official role in this process. Harald is attempting to assemble information that he will use to propose a PR-action (a Posting

Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture Area

2005-09-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Just for the record... At 12:14 PM -0700 9/21/05, David Kessens wrote: Note that the next proposal for an additional area is just around the corner: the Internet area has a very heavy load of working groups as well and the next thing that could easily be imagined is a Mobility Area which also

Re: Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-21 Thread Margaret Wasserman
10:09:07 -0400 From:Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not going to comment on the substance of the issues, or the doc in question, as I haven't been following what is happening with it, nor have a read a recent version. But ... | Based

Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture Area

2005-09-21 Thread Margaret Wasserman
At 12:14 PM -0700 9/21/05, David Kessens wrote: I have never seen a senior manager in a commercial enterprise to whom 26 subordinates, each responsible for completely distinct disciplines, directly report. [...] Most Areas organize themselves in such a way that each AD manages about half of

Re: Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-20 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Bernard, I'll start with the process portion of your message and answer the technical portion in my next note... At 9:31 PM -0700 9/19/05, Bernard Aboba wrote: Please remember, though, that most of my note was not meant to express my own technical opinion, it was an attempt to

Re: Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-20 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Bernard, At 9:31 PM -0700 9/19/05, Bernard Aboba wrote: a. Confusing DNS resolver behavior with the behavior of LLMNR implementations. The sending of .local queries to the global DNS, while potentially a serious problem, results from the behavior of existing DNS resolver implementations.

Re: Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-19 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Bernard, [BA] Right. Margaret's message was technically wrong on a large number of points, mischaracterizing mDNS, LLMNR and even DNS. I would be very interested in understanding what technical errors I made and I would appreciate if you would share the details with me, perhaps

Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-18 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi All, As I am sure many of you have noticed, there was extensive discussion during the IETF Last Call for Link Local Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR) specification that is currently available as draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-43.txt. Thanks to all who participated! The discussion appears to

Re: Summary of the LLMNR Last Call

2005-09-18 Thread Margaret Wasserman
At 3:55 PM -0700 9/18/05, Stuart Cheshire wrote: mDNS takes the approach that local lookups should be distinguishable from global lookups and accomplishes this through the use of a special local domain (.local). This claim is one of the bits of misinformation that seems to be spread about mDNS

Re: ISMS working group

2005-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eliot, At 9:44 AM +0200 9/12/05, Eliot Lear wrote: Actually, depending on how the solution is developed it certainly CAN help the problem with the manager being outside a NAT. But we are now being somewhat loose with terms, so let me be more specific. I am sorry that I attempted to state

Re: ISMS working group

2005-09-12 Thread Margaret Wasserman
SNMP call home mechanism is another...? I don't see how the level of change/disruption to the vendor community is substantially affected by whether these two separate mechanisms are defined in one IETF working group or two. Margaret At 2:52 PM +0200 9/12/05, Eliot Lear wrote: Margaret

Re: ISMS working group and charter problems

2005-09-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eliot, [I am writing as a participant in ISMS and other SNMP-related WGs. This note is not intended to represent the reasoning that I would use ot make a decision about the ISMS charter in an IESG context.] As you know, I disagree with your opinion that call-home functionality should be

Re: ISMS working group and charter problems

2005-09-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
At 12:26 AM +0200 9/7/05, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: I believe that the ISMS WG's proposal is about ADDING the possibility of SNMP over TCP, not about CHANGING SNMP to use TCP. UDP will still work. That is correct. UDP and the current SNMPv3 USM security mechanisms will still work.

Re: ISMS working group and charter problems

2005-09-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Mike, At 8:41 AM -0700 9/7/05, Michael Thomas wrote: In answer to Margaret's question about how it would know where to call home, it seems to me to be about the same problem as with traps/informs. I haven't had anything to do with this wg, but it seems pretty plausible that you'd initiate

Re: ISMS working group

2005-09-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Ken, The call home solution doesn't help with the problem of the _manager_ being behind a NAT. It only applies to situations where the manager is at a fixed location on a globally-addressable network and the managed device is behind a NAT or firewall. In those cases, the choices would

RE: ISMS working group and charter problems

2005-09-07 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Eric, At 12:04 PM -0700 9/7/05, Fleischman, Eric wrote: At 12:26 AM +0200 9/7/05, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: I believe that the ISMS WG's proposal is about ADDING the possibility of SNMP over TCP, not about CHANGING SNMP to use TCP. UDP will still work. From: Margaret Wasserman

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-30 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Stuart, Somehow our discussion has gone awry, and I'm not quite sure why, because I am not sure that we fundamentally disagree with each other. At least, I think that we both see some of the same potential problems, even if we disagree about what steps would be appropriate to resolve

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-30 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Brian, I'm afraid I don't understand. As far as I can understand, mDNS uses the .local pseudo-domain and LLMNR does not. So how can LLMNR be blamed for bogus queries for *.local? The .local doesn't come from either mDNS or LLMNR... The user types it and/or an application includes it in

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Peter, At 12:41 PM +0200 8/25/05, Peter Dambier wrote: Stuart Cheshire wrote: The IESG has received a request from the DNS Extensions WG to consider the following document: - 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR) ' draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-42.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Stuart, --On 25. august 2005 10:18 -0700 Stuart Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would go a long way to ease my concerns if the LLMNR specification stated clearly in its introduction that it's NOT intended to compete with mDNS, because LLMNR doesn't have any of the functionality that

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Stuart, Although implementaitons are not strictly required for Proposed Standard publication, I do think that it is interesting to know whether people have implemented, or intend to implement our standards. I have received a couple of private confirmations that LLMNR is implemented in

Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard

2005-08-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Stuart, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be insulting... We don't typically include statements about how we compete or don't compete with any non-IETF protocols, including de-facto standards and/or standards from other standards groups, as that is more of a marketing discussion than a

Re: is the WG-Charter concept changed?

2005-08-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Jefsey, At 11:05 AM +0200 8/18/05, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-05.txt I agree with Brian that this procedures does not change the standards process and/or the official role of the WG chair. In fact, the ideas

Re: IPv6 DNS resolvers issue (Re: Why have we gotten away from running code?)

2005-08-15 Thread Margaret Wasserman
People may also want to read RFC 3646 which defines DHCPv6 options to configure a DNS resolver. We have considered _other_ ways to automatically configure a DNS resolver in IPv6, but we haven't managed to reach consensus on any of those proposals yet. Margaret At 9:55 AM +0200 8/15/05,

Re: IPv6 DNS resolvers issue (Re: Why have we gotten away from running code?)

2005-08-15 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Iljitsch, At 3:54 PM +0200 8/15/05, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: So you have reached consensus on forcing everyone who wants to look up DNS information over IPv6 transport to use DHCPv6? As far as I know, nothing that we publish forces anyone to do anything (or not to do anything).

RE: IANA Action: Assignment of an IPV6 Hop-by-hop Option

2005-07-02 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Larry, At 12:30 PM -0700 6/25/05, Dr. Lawrence G. Roberts wrote: I need help as to any process that can mitigate this major conflict with the TIA/ITU and the IETF and I need to act now. Please send your thoughts, I was looking back over this thread, and I just happened to notice this

Re: RFC 2434 term IESG approval (Re: IANA Action: Assignment of an IPV6 Hop-by-hop Option)

2005-07-01 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi, At 12:53 PM +0700 7/1/05, Robert Elz wrote: Failing to register whatever parameter they need, because the protocol proposed is disgusting, even if true, helps absolutely no-one. On the other hand, if the documentation of what the parameter means, or how to use it, is inadequate, then

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