Re: What is Native IPv6

2011-07-30 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:31:13 -0700 you wrote: - If one is in the business of writing an draft about what is native IPv6, and if one of the draft's goals is to reach -cough- consensus -cough-, one may consider forgetting the 6PE classification altogether. The one part that is not

Re: What is Native IPv6

2011-07-30 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:39:53 -0700 you wrote: 6RD is not a last mile solution. With the existing levels of IPv6 traffic, an ISP would deploy a couple of 6RD relays at their main IX. In a country such as France, it means that a 6RD customer in Nice would see their IPv6 traffic

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt

2011-07-29 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:38:12 +0200 (MEST) you wrote: Mark Andrews wrote: Martin Rex writes: Mark Andrews wrote: More correctly it is try the first address and if that doesn't connect in a short period (150...250ms) start a second connection to the next address

Re: 6to4 damages the Internet (was Re:

2011-07-29 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:55:04 -0700 you wrote: On Jul 28, 2011 5:28 PM, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: It would be so much easier if hosts on the public internet could use one single IPv6 address that contains both, the IPv6 network prefix and the IPv4 host address, and then

Re: 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-29 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:38:16 -0700 you wrote: R?mi Despr?s wrote: 6rd is designed to offer native IPv6 prefixes across IPv4-only routing domains. There is a word for that: oxymoron. In French: oxymore. If it stops working when IPv4 is broken, it is not native. Could you

Re: 6to4 damages the Internet (was Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again))

2011-07-28 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:41:38 -0400 you wrote: PS - And in those cases, proper address selection is a much better solution (IMHO) than hitting this screw with a hammer. I think the problem is that we don't know how to do 'proper' address selection. It would be nice if 5 or 10

Re: 6to4 damages the Internet (was Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again))

2011-07-28 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:50:38 -0400 you wrote: In general, all of a host's addresses (at least, those in the same preference class in the address selection algorithm) need to work equally well from everywhere. But even that might not be sufficient. Fred Baker has recently

Re: 6to4 damages the Internet (was Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again))

2011-07-28 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:08:01 +0900 you wrote: Philip Homburg wrote: I think the problem is that we don't know how to do 'proper' address selection. I know and it's trivially easy. 11 years ago in draft-ohta-e2e-multihoming-00.txt, I wrote: End systems (hosts) are end

Re: [v6ops] 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-28 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:56:51 -0400 you wrote: In the absence of a coherent instruction from IETF for a phase-out plan, declaring this protocol historic under the current proposed language, will do precisely that. Please please please, if IETF wants 6to4 to die, then publish

Re: [v6ops] 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-27 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:38:33 +1000 you wrote: In message 4e2f4491.30...@gmail.com, Brian E Carpenter writes: Of course, if implementors choose to drop the code you might not be able to upgrade software versions - but hopefully by that time you will have native IPv6 service

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-26 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:25:53 -0700 you wrote: Maybe I'm reading the list wrong, but I think the sticky point here is the historic thing, and nothing short of removing that part will significantly change the mindset of people who oppose it. Have you considered a newer revision of

Re: [v6ops] Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:26:26 +0900 you wrote: Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTO RIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge? I don't see any progress. We may just have to blacklist any resolvers that have 6to4 clients

Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic

2011-07-05 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:02:47 -0400 you wrote: Is the reasoning behind the decision explained somewhere? My reading of the threads on the subject in v6ops was that the opposition to 6to4-historic was a small but vocal minority, and I thought that qualified as rough consensus.

Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic

2011-07-05 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Sun, 3 Jul 2011 07:53:46 +0200 you wrote: Unfortunately, in the 20% of the time that it's not working, Google has no idea that the user has a 2002::/16 address. Google only knows, after the fact, that the user suffered a 20 or 75-second timeout and was not happy. So it would

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt (Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:37:56 -0400 you wrote: I have also seen those claims in v6ops email (haven't caught up with all of it , but have seen a few messages). I don't buy the argument. Clearly the inten t of this draft and protocol action are to discourage use of 6to4,