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Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org writes:
The general point is that the new people whom we want
to draw in as productive participants will be watching how we treat
each other and deciding whether they want to wade into that pool.
It's not just new people watching and being turned off.
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Google is pushing for dotless-dot-search, so you can guarantee it will
work in chromium (with or without ICANN's blessing).
Here is what a Google employee actually said about Google and dotless
domains at last week's ICANN public forum in Durban:
JORDYN BUCHANAN: HELLO. I'M JORDYN BUCHANAN
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Looking back in hindsight, what would help is to have some means for the
IETF to provide a maintenance vehicle for it's products.
I think there is some truth to this.
The reality has at times been that some WGs get a bit out of control
after they've been around a while, and getting them to
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[only now reviewing this thread...]
Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr writes:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:26:39AM +1000,
Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote
a message of 52 lines which said:
I'm not sure what the solution should be but regular audits of
delegated nameservers by
What the weekly stats really ought to tally up is the readers/postings
ratio, so that folk would get more direct feedback as to whether what they are
posting is actually being read...
My strong suspicion would be that there is strong negative correlation
between frequency of posts and actual
I've wondered for some time whether the reported bytes is the
whole message I send included context quotes, or if there is
an attempt by the summary logic to factor out quoted
content.
Original script is here:
http://www.hactrn.net/hacks/mh-list-traffic/mh-list-traffic
I don't think I've
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To be honest at this point I'm sort of reflexively
anti-process-documents, unless there's an actual problem
that needs actual solution.
Which is why this isn't a process document.
Watching this thread, I sense the authors trying hard not to make a
process document, presumably because that
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+1 to what Jari says below.
From my perspective, the important things to keep in mind:
1) Discuss criteria should be principles, not rigid rules. The details
of the issue at hand always matter, and it will sometimes come down to
judgement calls where reasonable individuals just might disagree.
I don't think the IETF needs to be in the profile/resume
business. There are plenty of other places that do a fine job already.
What I do think the IETF should do is *require* that participants
identify themselves. That means knowing who they are (a name and email
contact) and an affiliation. For
Hi John.
I agree there are a number of specific cases where there is no
simple/obvious way to handle. I'd be OK with something fairly simple
as unaffiliated or consultant or something more nuanced. But I'd
like to think those are edge cases (but could of course be wrong in
how common they are). I
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Just a few points...
Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca writes:
I'll repeat what has been said repeatedly in the newtrk and related
discussions. The step from ID to RFC is too large because we are
essentially always aiming for STD rather than PS.
If we are unwilling to bring RFC back
Good point. I guess the obvious answers are not enough
cycles and, for newer authors, uncertainty about how to
get stuff done, but are there other less obvious answers?
(Input here might really help the IESG discussion btw since
in the nature of things, we're less likely to realise what
Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk writes:
Well said, Thomas.
Two concrete suggestions:
1) have WGs do the managing role more proactively
2) mentor authors and others a bit more to encourage them how best to
operate
Which I suspect means...
0) have ADs manage/mentor the WG chairs
Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org writes:
Provide WG Chairs the monitoring tools they need to be proactive -
Action Tracker, what do I need to do today data tracker views.
Same for AD.
Same for authors and their mentors, if any.
Tools may help in some cases (IESG, chairs), but the
Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes:
The issue with providing management assistance is to focus on
managing the work. That's an organizational orientation, not just a
tracking thing. It's about getting clarity of the work to be done
and of getting folks to do the work of contributing,
Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com writes:
On 5/3/13 7:59 AM, Thomas Narten wrote:
Like everyone, I wish things moved more quickly, but every attempt
I've ever seen that tries to speed things up ends up reducing the
quality or having some other undesirable side effect.
Can you
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I agree with many of the comments that others have raised on this
thread. Just a couple of things to add that I don't recall seeing
mentioned.
An OAM protocol is run in the context of a Maintenance Domain,
consisting of two or more nodes that run the OAM protocol, referred
to as
It is good to document what we have been doing. But the text seems to
focus on technology and tools...
IMO, what is missing is operational Best Practices. We seem to be
lacking them (are any written down?) And we don't follow them
consistently, especially from one WG to another. Many of the
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Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie writes:
Responses to Cullen below, but this is getting to the point
where unless someone else who likes the idea wants to join
the discussion, I'm going to conclude that we're collectively
either unwilling or unable to consider 3933 experiments and
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I do not really have time or desire to enter an extended discussion on
this document. It's pretty clear to me we just disagree. But I did
want to be on record as not supporting this document so that silence
wouldn't be taken as agreement or support.
A few specific followups below.
This
FWIW, I share Joe's concerns. And Stephen's responses don't really
change my mind.
This document seems to have a bit of missing the forest for the
trees. In the overall scheme of things, I don't believe the draft will
materially help, and is at best a distraction from dealing with
meaningful
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Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com writes:
Indeed an interesting additional question.
My view is that you MUST NOT use RFC2119 language, unless you MUST use
it, for exactly that reason. What is important is on the wire (a term
that from experience is very difficult to define)
+1 to Brian and others saying upper case should be used sparingly, and
only where it really matters. If even then.
The notion (that some have) that MUST means you have to do something
to be compliant and that a must (lower case) is optional is just
nuts.
If the ARP spec were to say, upon receipt
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Maybe an IESG statement on this respect can help here.
Is the existing text in RFC 5226 not sufficient? It contains extensive
text about the purpose and role of designated experts, and was revised
substantially the last time around to try and find a good middle
ground between being overly
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