Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: Disclaimer: IANAL, and this message is not intended as legal advice. Please, read RFC3979 for yourself, and if you have concerns as to what your obligations are or what you can get away with, consult a lawyer. On Wednesday, June 07, 2006 02:22:06 PM -0400 Gray, Eric

Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 03:58:15AM +0200, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 13 lines which said: - Appendix A - some names seem to be missing. I could quote a small score of them? I do not know if there are written rules about the Acknowledgements or Credits section

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 10:02 07/06/2006, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 03:58:15AM +0200, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 13 lines which said: - Appendix A - some names seem to be missing. I could quote a small score of them? I do not know if there are written

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but on two of these points... - Appendix A - some names seem to be missing. I could quote a small score of them? I do not know if there are written rules about the Acknowledgements or Credits section in a RFC. It seems quite variable between the RFCs. I am

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Joel M. Halpern
The basic problem is that there is no way to acknowledge all the folks who helped, for the most general definition of contributor. One would have to keep track of every person who made a comment on the mailing list (whether the particular change ended up used or not) and everyone who spoke at

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:10:25AM -0400, Joel M. Halpern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 86 lines which said: the acknowledgements section was intended for folks who wrote pieces, or folks who suggested useful ideas, or provided significant useful corrections, etc. The contributors

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi, In all the documents that I participated or edited, I always keep track of all the inputs and comments received and unless they are just editorial comments (unless very extensive) include them in the ack section. It is a simple matter of gratitude and simply to achieve. For many reasons,

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Scott W Brim
On 06/07/2006 09:22 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer allegedly wrote: These rules are perfectly reasonable (even if they would cost me my acknowledgment in draft-ietf-ltru-matching) but: 1) They do not seem to be written somewhere. I cannot find them in the RFCs talking about RFCs (meta-RFCs?

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:36:53AM -0400, Scott W Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 17 lines which said: If you feel like you have been unjustly left out of an acknowledgments section in a specific draft or RFC, Not at all. (You can read the whole thread to get the details but, as

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 15:10 07/06/2006, Joel M. Halpern wrote: The basic problem is that there is no way to acknowledge all the folks who helped, for the most general definition of contributor. One would have to keep track of every person who made a comment on the mailing list (whether the particular change

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Gray, Eric
Spencer, This opens up yet another can of worms. Suppose that everybody who makes a comment on a draft (substantive, or otherwise) has to be listed and every one listed is bound by BCPs relating to IPR, copyright, etc. in RFC content. What happens if someone - perhaps having

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Bob Braden
* * the acknowledgements section was intended for folks who wrote * pieces, or folks who suggested useful ideas, or provided significant * useful corrections, etc. The contributors section was introduced in * conjunction with the effort to reduce the set of authors to those *

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Lucy E. Lynch
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but on two of these points... snip - the IETF is made of paid and free volunteers. The reward of the free participants is their exposure. If we want top quality participants we must acknowledge their contributions.

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 07 June, 2006 12:33 -0400 Gray, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spencer, This opens up yet another can of worms. Suppose that everybody who makes a comment on a draft (substantive, or otherwise) has to be listed and every one listed is bound by BCPs relating to IPR,

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Gray, Eric
John, I disagree both in the belief that the Note Well is clear on this and the sense of your argument that anyone participating in any part of a discussion can be made retroactively responsible for the entire discussion. The Note Well is not clear because it makes sweeping

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread David Harrington
Hi, In transferring responsibility for the Bridge MIBs to IEEE 802, we learned that the IETF has certain copyrights to documents that have been submitted to the IETF for IETF purposes. All other rights remain with the authors, and the IEEE had to contact the authors to get permission to do

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 07 June, 2006 14:22 -0400 Gray, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I disagree both in the belief that the Note Well is clear on this and the sense of your argument that anyone participating in any part of a discussion can be made retroactively responsible for the

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Gray, Eric
John, Agree. -- -Original Message- -- From: John C Klensin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:04 PM -- To: Gray, Eric -- Cc: ietf@ietf.org -- Subject: RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last -- Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP

Re: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Fred Baker
On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:03 PM, John C Klensin wrote: This is the negative side of the discussion going on. People are focusing on reasons why someone might want to be included in acknowledgements. I am merely pointing out that it is also possible that someone might not want this.

RE: Acknowledgements section in a RFC (Was: Last Call: 'Matching of Language Tags' to BCP (draft-ietf-ltru-matching)

2006-06-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
Disclaimer: IANAL, and this message is not intended as legal advice. Please, read RFC3979 for yourself, and if you have concerns as to what your obligations are or what you can get away with, consult a lawyer. On Wednesday, June 07, 2006 02:22:06 PM -0400 Gray, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: