Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/24/2012 01:24 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Roy T. Fieldingfield...@gbiv.com wrote: How many times do we have to do this before we declare insanity? I don't care how much risk it adds to the HTTP charter. They

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:54 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Proposals for new HTTP authentication schemes are in scope. How would a plan like the following look to folks: - httpbis is chartered to include auth mechanism work as per the above (or whatever text goes into the charter) - that'll

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:54:32PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 4f46bfdf.3070...@dougbarton.us, Doug Barton writes: 2782 was published 12 years ago this month. I suppose it can be considered mature enough to deploy at this point? :) +1000 Over in spfbis, people are arguing

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 24 feb 2012, at 16:38, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Over in spfbis, people are arguing that the SPF RRTYPE should be deprecated and abandoned in SPF because nobody uses it because of practical difficulties in getting new RRTYPEs deployed. What makes us think that the arguments in favour of SRV

draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2012-02-24 Thread The IESG
Colleagues, The IESG has observed very rough consensus in favor of the allocation proposed in draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request. Therefore, the IESG will approve the draft. In order to acknowledge dissenting opinions and clarify the IETF position regarding IPv6, the IESG will attach

Re: TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Kim Kinnear
Joe, There were two things that I referenced in response to your initial review that you hadn't seen. More details on those below: On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote: INTERLEAVING- sec 7.7 says that the server MUST interleave replies;

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Kim Kinnear
Joe, I've edited the the email trail to try to concentrate on the remaining open issues. I've also removed the two issues that were included in the email I sent you an hour or so ago, since I expect that they will be covered in continuations of that thread. To summarize, there are 3 issues

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 05:23:45PM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: If only it were that simple. If the answer is design an HTTP auth mechanism that is better than Digest, then this is a tractable goal. If it is get IETF consensus on that auth mechanism, then it isn't. The latter has proven to be

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, February 24, 2012 16:58 +0100 Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote: On 24 feb 2012, at 16:38, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Over in spfbis, people are arguing that the SPF RRTYPE should be deprecated and abandoned in SPF because nobody uses it because of practical difficulties in

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with (was: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis))

2012-02-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14:28 PM Andrew Sullivan wrote: cc:s trimmed. I'm not on the w3c list anyway, and I don't think the IESG cares about this detail. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:58:36PM +0100, Patrik Fältström wrote: Because people disagree on whether it is actually hard to get

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with (was: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis))

2012-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:47:10PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: It's occured to me that it might be useful to pre-allocate some new types without a current use assigned (e.g. TXT1, TXT2, TXT3) so that there's time for them to be integrated into tools before they are needed. How could you

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with (was: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis))

2012-02-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 24, 2012 12:57:49 PM Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:47:10PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: It's occured to me that it might be useful to pre-allocate some new types without a current use assigned (e.g. TXT1, TXT2, TXT3) so that there's time for them to

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with (was: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis))

2012-02-24 Thread Edward Lewis
At 13:06 -0500 2/24/12, Scott Kitterman wrote: If there had been a TXT1 ... N in 2004, SPF (to put an example) could have picked TXT1 (assuming it wasn't used by something else). Then later the label could have been changed to SPF once usage was established and standardized. Then a few years

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-02-24 Thread Hector
+1 As an implementator of all these new mouse trap protocols with TXT based solutions, some borrowing the same namespace, some using different namespaces, it doesn't escape me to continue getting the utopian idea (ignoring the technical issues) that it will be sweet if they all can be

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Yoav Nir
On Feb 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:54 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Proposals for new HTTP authentication schemes are in scope. How would a plan like the following look to folks: - httpbis is chartered to include auth mechanism work as per the above

Re: DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with (was: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis))

2012-02-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20120224171427.gj48...@mail.yitter.info, Andrew Sullivan writes: cc:s trimmed. I'm not on the w3c list anyway, and I don't think the IESG cares about this detail. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:58:36PM +0100, Patrik Fältström wrote: Because people disagree on whether it is

Re: TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Kim, On 2/23/2012 10:57 AM, Kim Kinnear wrote: Joe, There were two things that I referenced in response to your initial review that you hadn't seen. More details on those below: On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote: INTERLEAVING-

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Kim, On 2/23/2012 2:00 PM, Kim Kinnear wrote: Joe, I've edited the the email trail to try to concentrate on the remaining open issues. I've also removed the two issues that were included in the email I sent you an hour or so ago, since I expect that they will be covered in continuations

Re: TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Ralph, On 2/18/2012 4:39 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: Joe, Kim... On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 PM 2/17/12, Joe Touch wrote: Hi, Kim, First, thank you for your detailed response to my quite lengthy review. Some further clarifications and confirmations appear below. Joe On 2/17/2012 12:09 PM,

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, Ted, On 2/18/2012 7:29 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote: Thanks. In this case, it's important to suggest why others should not add conventional DHCP query support to the TCP port. The idea of doing DHCP stateful autoconfiguration over TCP is nonsensical:

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Mark Nottingham
Hi Stephen, On 24/02/2012, at 11:54 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 02/24/2012 01:24 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Roy T. Fieldingfield...@gbiv.com wrote: How many times do we have to do this before we declare

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/24/2012 07:38, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:54:32PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 4f46bfdf.3070...@dougbarton.us, Doug Barton writes: 2782 was published 12 years ago this month. I suppose it can be considered mature enough to deploy at this point? :)

Re: [dhcwg] TSVDIR review of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery

2012-02-24 Thread Joe Touch
On 2/24/2012 7:35 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu mailto:to...@isi.edu wrote: OK, so although I disagree that this is the correct procedure, if it's typical for DHCP then that's reasonable. So just to be clear here, it seems that you are withdrawing

Reminder: T-shirt Contest End Today

2012-02-24 Thread Alexa Morris
A reminder that you have until 1700 PST today, February 24th to vote for your favorite t-shirt submission. You can view all 12 submissions and vote online at http://www.ietf.org/meeting/83/t-shirt-design-contest-voting.html. Please note that submission numbers appear above each entry. The

Protocol Action: 'Subcodes for BGP Finite State Machine Error' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-idr-fsm-subcode-03.txt)

2012-02-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Subcodes for BGP Finite State Machine Error' (draft-ietf-idr-fsm-subcode-03.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stewart Bryant and Adrian Farrel. A URL

Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-packet-pw-03.txt (Packet Pseudowire Encapsulation over an MPLS PSN) to Proposed Standard

2012-02-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge WG (pwe3) to consider the following document: - 'Packet Pseudowire Encapsulation over an MPLS PSN' draft-ietf-pwe3-packet-pw-03.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Revision to the WG Document Writeup

2012-02-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has adopted an update the WG Document Write-up Template. The write-up is required by RFC 4858. The new template has been posted at: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.html Please start using this new template immediately for publication requests. New publications

Re: Major upgrade to the IETF Datatracker

2012-02-24 Thread IETF Chair
Thanks for all of the testing. Several bugs were found and fixed. At this time there are no show stopper bugs, so we will convert to the new Datatracker database this weekend. Of course, to be prudent, we will run a complete backup before we being the database conversion. The database

Protocol Action: 'RTP Payload Format for Raptor FEC' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-fecframe-rtp-raptor-07.txt)

2012-02-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RTP Payload Format for Raptor FEC' (draft-ietf-fecframe-rtp-raptor-07.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the FEC Framework Working Group. The IESG contact persons are David Harrington and Wesley Eddy. A URL of this