Application of Fuzzy Neural Network Algoirthms to MANETs

2001-01-14 Thread otonashi
Hi everyone, I am new to this mailing list and I was wondering if anyone can help me with some online papers or internet links regarding the application of Fuzzy Neural Algorithms to Mobile Ad Hoc Networks, such as route discovery process? I was unable to find related research from the WWW

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Jon Crowcroft
the bggest problems with security ssytems are generally 90% to do with design errors at level 10 (human, not policitcal, economic, application, transport etc) it would be interestign to run a _real_ experiment in 3 types of voting (comuter based, networked computer based and traiditional) and

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Crowcroft writes: the bggest problems with security ssytems are generally 90% to do with design errors at level 10 (human, not policitcal, economic, application, transport etc) Mostly right, though one shouldn't rule out the possibility of layer 10-inspired

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Ed Gerck
Jon Crowcroft wrote: the bggest problems with security ssytems are generally 90% to do with design errors at level 10 (human, not policitcal, economic, application, transport etc) Explorers of any kind oftentimes are led to believe in monsters at the "end of the sea", but not all of them

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Ed Gerck
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Crowcroft writes: the bggest problems with security ssytems are generally 90% to do with design errors at level 10 (human, not policitcal, economic, application, transport etc) Mostly right, though one shouldn't rule out

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes: Bugs, however, can be either fixed or avoided. This is the fundamental point where we differ -- the former is difficult and itself bug-prone, and the latter is impossible in a system of any realistic size. --Steve Bellovin,

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Ed Gerck
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes: Bugs, however, can be either fixed or avoided. This is the fundamental point where we differ -- the former is difficult and itself bug-prone, and the latter is impossible in a system of any realistic size.

IETF mailing list archive problems

2001-01-14 Thread Martin J. Duerst
The IETF (anounce) mailing list archive has several problems that should be fixed: - The most recent page is http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf-announce/Current/maillist.html older pages are http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf-announce/Current/mail2.html

Re: IETF mailing list archive problems

2001-01-14 Thread Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
I suggest trying ftp to ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ietf or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ietf-announce. In general, when looking for stuff at organizations that predate the web, trying ftp is a good idea. Donald From: "Martin J. Duerst" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Vernon Schryver
What is it about the IETF list that draws people who demonstrate disinterest in the common meanings of our jargon (e.g. "bug," "denial of service," "digital," and "analog") but nevertheless try to sell us technology** using those words? For example, if Mr. Gerck understood "bug" or "database" as

Re: IETF mailing list archive problems

2001-01-14 Thread Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
"Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" wrote: I suggest trying ftp to ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ietf or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/ietf-announce. In general, when looking for stuff at organizations that predate the web, trying ftp is a good idea. Yet other alternate archives:

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: For example, if Mr. Gerck understood "bug" or "database" as most of us do, he wouldn't talk about a "database paradigm" as a panacea against bugs. He would know that the phrase "database paradigm" is quite evocative, but not in a good way. If he meant familiar

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, if Mr. Gerck understood "bug" or "database" as most of us do, he wouldn't talk about a "database paradigm" as a panacea against bugs. He would know that the phrase "database paradigm" is quite evocative, but not in a good way. If he meant

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes: Handling bugs is the major problem IMO (looks like we also agree here) after DDoS, privacy, security, integrity, etc are handled (which are not a small task, either). But this might not be so hard after all. Yes, an election is a

Re: internet voting -- ICANN, SmartInitiatives, etc.

2001-01-14 Thread Ed Gerck
"Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes: Handling bugs is the major problem IMO (looks like we also agree here) after DDoS, privacy, security, integrity, etc are handled (which are not a small task, either). But this might not be so hard after all.