You said:
For an IETF meeting, we don't really have either of these.
What? IETF 79 is hosted by Tsinghua University, CERNET and CNNIC. The
website is still work in progress, but I would be very surprised if
they won't iinclude additional hotel info etc, if they don't, well
then we can
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said:
For an IETF meeting, we don't really have either of these.
What? IETF 79 is hosted by Tsinghua University, CERNET and CNNIC. The
website is still work in progress, but I would be very surprised if
they won't iinclude
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a lot of
hotels with special rates, so a lot were listed.
Yeah, and people (as usual) complained that they could get much
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Nevertheless, it wouldn't be a surprise to me that stateful v6 firewalls
take NAT's place, such that only return traffic is allowed.
That is one security use made of NAT, but reducing the amount of
information leaked about the internal configuration of the
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar wrote:
Agreed. I just meant that even without v6 NATs, it shouldn't come as a
surprise if end-to-end connectivity is *not* restored by IPv6.
It is refreshing to hear someone actually say that out loud.
Thank you.
- ferg
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a lot of
hotels with special rates, so a lot were listed.
Yeah,
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Lonely Planet? Google? Ask someone who has been there? Wait a couple
of weeks and see what the host comes up with?
Again, that’s not the problem: in about an hour I was able to come up with
half a dozen 4*+ hotels as close or closer to the
Mark Nottingham [mailto://m...@mnot.net] writes:
I know it's been brought up many times before, but I'd appreciate a
separate list for technical discussions regarding drafts, etc., since
this list seems to have become a travel tips forum.
I'm sure that if you have some specific technical
Yoav Nir [mailto:y...@checkpoint.com] writes:
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Lonely Planet? Google? Ask someone who has been there? Wait a couple
of weeks and see what the host comes up with?
Again, that's not the problem: in about an hour I was able to come up
with
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com]mailto:[mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a
Yoav Nir [mailto:y...@checkpoint.com] writes:
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF
Touche. When in Rome...
On 29/08/2010, at 6:12 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Mark Nottingham [mailto://m...@mnot.net] writes:
I know it's been brought up many times before, but I'd appreciate a
separate list for technical discussions regarding drafts, etc., since
this list seems to have become a
On 29/08/2010 06:22, Yoav Nir wrote:
The warning to have your destination written down in Chinese,
because the taxi drivers don't speak English doesn't inspire confidence
either.
I've never been to Beijing myself but friends who have told me that this
worked perfect for them: the taxidriver
Yoav Nir wrote:
If this was some place in the US, I could easily find a cheap hotel
chain nearby (like I did in Anaheim). In Europe, it's a little more
difficult, but still doable (thanks, Google Earth). In China, I have
no idea where to even look.
There are usual plenty of web sites for
From: Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar
I am told that NAT for v6 is (ironically) among the most asked for
IPv6 features..
Well, people want to be able to change ISP's without renumbering all their
hosts, and NAT does give you that (along with other things too, of course).
On 8/28/10 10:29 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
So, if all you guys (and it's been all guys from what I've seen) would
just consider how you would feel if you either had access to very
little food (think 4 days without a real meal and subsisting on
illegally imported nuts and dried fruit for 4 days)
At 11:32 PM -0700 8/28/10, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Food (outside of the major international hotels) is VERY cheap in
Beijing, as in less than $20 for a 5-course meal for 2 including
beer. Beer in a grocery store is about 25 US cents per bottle.
Are there any smoke-free restaurants near the
Joel,
Thank you so much for your sensitivity - you've done a wonderful job
of re-enforcing the idea that IETF is a hostile environment for women.
My guess is that you've never personally been in a situation where
you've been on a train late at nite and someone got overly friendly to
the point of
At 8:51 AM -0700 8/24/10, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you
are /not/ going to do ANY site-seeing? If the answer is yes, I
think you have deeper problems than the visa...
I disagree. I'm not planning on any sight-seeing in China. I
At 3:53 PM -0500 8/27/10, Mary Barnes wrote:
I agree 100% that the question is pretty
useless if Maastricht is considered secondary. A survey of the number
of hops (planes, trains and automobiles) that participants have to
take to each of those secondary venues would highlight the
At 4:23 PM -0400 8/27/10, Michael StJohns wrote:
I object to the way gateway/secondary cities are defined here and
specifically equating Maastricht with Minneapolis seems somewhat
stacking the deck.
I agree! They are totally different in ease of access and
availability of co-located
On 8/29/10 12:29 PM, Mary Barnes wrote:
Joel,
Thank you so much for your sensitivity - you've done a wonderful job
of re-enforcing the idea that IETF is a hostile environment for women.
You're right, apparently I can't empathize and therefore I'm not going
to try. I would just note that I
On 8/29/10 1:08 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 3:53 PM -0500 8/27/10, Mary Barnes wrote:
I agree 100% that the question is pretty
useless if Maastricht is considered secondary. A survey of the number
of hops (planes, trains and automobiles) that participants have to
take to each of
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
In both the netherlands and japan cases, not figuring it out was an
option... Once I saw what was available in the netherlands I simply
arrived at AMS and took the first train in the right direction.
likewise with hiroshima, figuring out whether I
I did book into a hotel with colleagues as I noted, but we all had
different schedules/dinner plans for the most part. I did not book
into the conference hotel because experience in Vienna led me to
decide that it was more convenient overall to be in the city center.
Also, based on my experience
On Aug 29, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 8:51 AM -0700 8/24/10, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you
are /not/ going to do ANY site-seeing? If the answer is yes, I
think you have deeper problems than the visa...
I
On 8/29/10 2:03 PM, Mary Barnes wrote:
Personally, I don't routinely travel to places where my safety is put
at risk. The first and most important step for self defense is
avoidance. My participation in the meeting precluded me from avoiding
the situations.
My point overall is actually
I was in Paris and was certainly well aware of the issues with regards
to theft. Personally, I imagine that emotionally and physically
recovering from the theft of personal property (as frustrating and as
upsetting as I know I would find that to be) is significantly less
traumatic than recovering
--On Sunday, August 29, 2010 14:29 -0500 Mary Barnes
mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
Joel,
Thank you so much for your sensitivity - you've done a
wonderful job of re-enforcing the idea that IETF is a hostile
environment for women. My guess is that you've never
personally been in a
John,
I agree 100% with everything you said here, execpt for the part about
we don't get it. I don't think I need to go over again why
Maastricht was chosen nor elaborate further on the surprises we
encountered onsite, so let's just say that we will try to do better
next time and move on.
Ole
At 4:03 PM -0500 8/29/10, Mary Barnes wrote:
My point overall is actually quite simple - none of these things are
issues if the meetings are held in larger international cities or
secondary cities where everything is nearby. We've had plenty of
meetings in a variety of locations that
--On Sunday, August 29, 2010 15:59 -0700 Ole Jacobsen
o...@cisco.com wrote:
John,
I agree 100% with everything you said here, execpt for the
part about we don't get it. I don't think I need to go over
again why Maastricht was chosen nor elaborate further on the
surprises we encountered
At 6:12 PM -0400 8/29/10, John C Klensin wrote:
While our weighting factors are different, I think it is the
obligation of the Secretariat and the IAOC's meetings committee
to find locations at which the people who contribute
significantly can have an efficient and productive meeting, with
I agree. Unfortunate comparison of two cities.
Ole
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote:
--On
On Aug 29, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 6:12 PM -0400 8/29/10, John C Klensin wrote:
While our weighting factors are different, I think it is the
obligation of the Secretariat and the IAOC's meetings committee
to find locations at which the people who contribute
At 7:23 PM -0400 8/29/10, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
It really comes down to which bias to apply in site selection:
towards those who want to be a tourist, or those who want to do
work.
Based on my observation of and participation in the meeting
selection process, the IAOC is (and has been
I notice that the following phrase appears twice in the IETF pages:
a tourist visa is appropriate only if you intend to spend some time either
before or after the meeting sightseeing in China
So at the least, one should consider getting a tourist visa ONLY IF one has set
aside time for
Uhm, no. If someone wants to put a little salt in their soup do you
suggest that the whole shaker be poured into the bowl? Taking a position
to an absurd extreme is fallacious.
Dan.
On Sun, August 29, 2010 5:21 am, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Ah so the salt lake city model where everyone
At 06:31 PM 8/29/2010, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 7:23 PM -0400 8/29/10, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
It really comes down to which bias to apply in site selection:
towards those who want to be a tourist, or those who want to do work.
Based on my observation of and participation in the meeting
At 10:06 AM +0700 8/30/10, Glen Zorn wrote:
Are there any smoke-free restaurants near the site, or even anywhere
in Beijing?
Don't worry: the Disneyfication of the planet continues apace the Chinese,
being good capitalists, have also discovered the profit advantages in
controlling
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