David,
Kudos on writing this up. The community would imo benefit from this experience
being
put into an internet draft with a view to informational RFC, for wider
visibility.
Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 04:41:43PM -0400, David Harrington wrote:
Hi,
Many
Thanks for describing this, David. I found it very useful and enlightening.
Jari
On Mar 12, 2013, at 4:41 PM, David Harrington dbharring...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi,
Many suggestions have been made about ways to resolve the issue of finding
suitable candidates for TSV Area Director, or
I agree. However, it will be helpful to know how many newcomers do
participate in their related WGs, and how do WG Chairs work close with
thoes newcomers, to bring more new people. Is their opportunities for
newcomers to join the work as co-editors in the group or they are
still newcomers and no
Dave,
Thank you for sharing your experiences in such an open way, and for your
long and dedicated service to the Internet community.
Eliot
On 3/12/13 4:41 PM, David Harrington wrote:
Hi,
Many suggestions have been made about ways to resolve the issue of finding
suitable candidates for TSV
On Mar 14, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com wrote:
Dave,
Thank you for sharing your experiences in such an open way, and for your
long and dedicated service to the Internet community.
Eliot
Unequivocally and enthusiastically +1
- Ralph
On 3/12/13 4:41 PM, David
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote:
Hi,
Two suggestions that seemed easier to send in email than to
stand in the mic line that I'd encourage people to think about...
(1) I've found the Newcomer's Meet-and-Greet very useful in
finding newcomers I want to
Mary,
I need to check but...
[MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to
wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday
tutorials and this event. I think that needs to be
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote:
Mary,
I need to check but...
[MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to
wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the
All,
This is the agenda for Sunday:
1000-1200 EDTIEPG Meeting - Caribbean 4
1100-1900 EDTIETF Registration - Caribbean Registration
1300-1450 EDTIEEE 802.1Q - Caribbean 5
1300-1450 EDTNewcomers' Orientation - Caribbean 4
1500-1650 EDTIAOC Overview Session - Caribbean 6
On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
Mary,
I need to check but...
[MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to
wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday
tutorials and
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote:
All,
This is the agenda for Sunday:
1000-1200 EDTIEPG Meeting - Caribbean 4
1100-1900 EDTIETF Registration - Caribbean Registration
1300-1450 EDTIEEE 802.1Q - Caribbean 5
1300-1450 EDTNewcomers' Orientation -
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Spencer Dawkins
spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
Mary,
I need to check but...
[MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to
Thanks for that Mary.
Looks like you have found an issue that has crept in. Certainly now on my
list for the schedule
planning for Berlin.
I was *sure* that when the IAOC session was being planned we set bounds that
this must stop before
the newbies welcome because both the newcomers *and*
On 03/14/13 08:23, Mary Barnes allegedly wrote:
One question I have is whether there isn't a list for newcomers to ask
questions that some of us can be on to help them before they get to
the meeting?
like
(removing the separate copy to the IESG -- ADs who are
interested can presumably follow this thread)
--On Thursday, 14 March, 2013 07:23 -0500 Mary Barnes
mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM, John C Klensin
john-i...@jck.com wrote:
...
(1) I've found the
On 3/14/2013 7:53 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
(2) Our newcomers model doesn't distinguish likely long-term
participants from tourists. I think we should be welcoming to
the tourists but, in terms of, e.g., scarce mentoring resources,
spending time on them is a bad optimization. In addition
On 3/14/2013 8:49 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
On 03/14/13 08:23, Mary Barnes allegedly wrote:
One question I have is whether there isn't a list for newcomers to ask
questions that some of us can be on to help them before they get to
the meeting?
like
+1
And well advertised on one or more IETF
FWIW, the IETF home page has a link (top left) for Chat Live with the IETF
Community
In the 6 months that I used to turn up there regularly, I saw very few other
people, but did handle
a couple of relatively newbie questions.
I offer this only as a data point to inform subsequent work.
Adrian
I think such a list is a great idea. Perhaps it would be good to have
this available as a 'safe place' for any (newbie, twobie or whatever)
to ask questions, and just call it a 'mentors' list...
Lou
On March 14, 2013 9:13:15 AM Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
On 3/14/2013 8:49 AM,
--On Thursday, 14 March, 2013 07:41 -0500 Mary Barnes
mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
[MB] It would be interesting to know then how many newcomers
check in on Sunday versus Monday morning. Maybe we could move
the Meet 'n Greet til later in the week (maybe Wed. pm in
place of WG chairs
Hi,
I sent the following proposal to Alissa yesterday after she spoke on the mike:
What if we created an ietf-mentors list that all newcomers were
auto-subscribed to. Those of us who want to mentor send a brief description
of who they are and what they work on to the list, and the newcomers
At my first meeting, I wasn't able to arrive on Sunday. At that point, I was
mainly following work in one working group that was meeting mid-week. At later
meetings, I wasn't a newcomer any more so I never attended a Newcomer meet and
greet. That is probably pretty common.
Pat
-Original
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have working
group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required) where newcomers are invited
to come meet the chairs and chairs can strategically invite a few return
attendees (but fewer than newcomers so they don't get crowded
Apologies for my sending this after the deadline. I hope the comments
are still usable...
Review of:Privacy Considerations for Internet Protocols
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Review date: 14 March 2013
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On 3/14/13 10:03 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to
have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required)
where newcomers are invited to come meet the chairs and chairs can
On 14/03/2013 13:41, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Thursday, 14 March, 2013 07:41 -0500 Mary Barnes
mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
[MB] It would be interesting to know then how many newcomers
check in on Sunday versus Monday morning. Maybe we could move
the Meet 'n Greet til later in the week
I like it a lot!
Starting with IETF-87 I will reserve a breakfast slot for the WG I am
co-chairing and invite (in advance, the week before the meeting) the new
attendees interested in this WG to attend.
Regards.
Dan
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
That's a really good idea!
Mary.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote:
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have
working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required) where newcomers are
invited to come meet the chairs and
On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
And well advertised on one or more IETF web pages.
We can also give newbies information when they register, and have the
registration folks call their attention to it. It's a five-second thing when
handing them their
On 14/03/2013 12:30, Adrian Farrel wrote:
Mary,
I need to check but...
[MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I
certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to
wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday
tutorials
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote:
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have
working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required) where newcomers are
invited to come meet the chairs and chairs can strategically invite a
--On Thursday, 14 March, 2013 14:03 + Ted Lemon
ted.le...@nominum.com wrote:
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group
chairs to have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP
required) where newcomers are invited to come meet the chairs
and chairs can strategically
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On 3/14/13 10:30 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com
wrote:
I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs
to have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP
required) where
Possibly attendance at the newcomers meeting would be something that
you could do just once but could be deferred to a later meeting you
attend if you miss on the first one for any reasons.
Thanks,
Donald
=
Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
155 Beaver
Ted == Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com writes:
Ted I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs
Ted to have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP
Ted required) where newcomers are invited to come meet the chairs
Ted and chairs can strategically invite
--On Thursday, 14 March, 2013 14:07 + Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
droma...@avaya.com wrote:
I like it a lot!
Starting with IETF-87 I will reserve a breakfast slot for the
WG I am co-chairing and invite (in advance, the week before
the meeting) the new attendees interested in this WG to
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com
wrote:
There's over 100 working groups, and about 5 slots, because lunch is often
busy for WG chairs (*DIR this, and tutorial that, and design team the other).
So where would you hold 25 parallel breakfast meetings? How would we ever
On Mar 14, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu wrote:
On 03/14/13 08:23, Mary Barnes allegedly wrote:
One question I have is whether there isn't a list for newcomers to ask
questions that some of us can be on to help them before they get to
the meeting?
like
Yes, like
One
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Yoav Nir
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 4:30 PM
To: Ted Lemon
Cc: John C Klensin; adr...@olddog.co.uk; IETF-Discussion list; The
IESG
Subject: Re: Mentoring
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:03
I cannot belive that I'm seeing this thread on an IETF list.
I run a NOG, and we've been through this many times and we're alread
over it. Don't call them 'newbies'. Don't think that having the
chairs or whatevers talk to new comers on sunday mornings will make them
happy and increase their
On 14-03-2013 06:46, Eggert, Lars wrote:
Hi,
I sent the following proposal to Alissa yesterday after she spoke on
the mike:
What if we created an ietf-mentors list that all newcomers were
auto-subscribed to. Those of us who want to mentor send a brief
description of who they are and what
On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Seiichi Kawamura kawamu...@mesh.ad.jp wrote:
Don't call them 'newbies'.
The term is not meant to be offensive—I'm sorry that it came off that way.
All of us are newbies from time to time as we wander through the various
working groups in the IETF. I became a
Good idea, but do not constrict it to WG only. Also include people
from the IAB, IESG, draft authors and some random people.
Also pick a topic of interest, let the mentors to lead and encourage
the discussion.
Regards,
as
On 14-03-2013 07:05, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
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I personally believe that while strongly recommending to the WG chairs to adopt
the concept we should leave the implementation up to each of them without much
formalization and process building. Let us not forget that we will have a
variety of WGs from large WGs meeting the first time with a
Anything along the lines of mentoring the virtual world of IETF
participants? :)
Mr. Klensin, if it wasn't for you, I would of probably lost interest in
the IETF long ago. You have reached out and assisted in more ways you
should be made aware it was very much needed and welcomed. Thank you.
On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) droma...@avaya.com wrote:
I personally believe that while strongly recommending to the WG chairs to
adopt the concept we should leave the implementation up to each of them
without much formalization and process building. Let us not forget
These are some cool ideas, and I think we need to try some or all of them.
I'm happy to support a newcomers list if we do that, as well as the
development of the informational packet for newcomers. I also like the
billeting notion; if I were to be paired up with a newcomer, something
like meeting
Ted == Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com writes:
I personally believe that while strongly recommending to the WG
chairs to adopt the concept we should leave the implementation up
to each of them without much formalization and process
building. Let us not forget that we will
I haven't observed that many newcomers at the newcomer meet-and-greet.
They seem to be overwhelmed (numerically) by the ADs+chairs that go, which
is reinforced by ADs+chairs using it as a taking-care-of-business
opportunity as John observed.
So, also along the much as I like free beer, maybe it
Hi,
On Mar 14, 2013, at 16:26, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't observed that many newcomers at the newcomer meet-and-greet.
They seem to be overwhelmed (numerically) by the ADs+chairs that go, which
is reinforced by ADs+chairs using it as a taking-care-of-business
On 3/14/13 4:31 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
Hi,
On Mar 14, 2013, at 16:26, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't observed that many newcomers at the newcomer meet-and-greet.
They seem to be overwhelmed (numerically) by the ADs+chairs that go, which
is reinforced by ADs+chairs
On 3/14/2013 3:07 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
As to the newcomer meet and greet... I actually think we got it a bit
backwards. I think that WG chairs should be uninvited. (as much as I
like free beer). Rather, I think that the newcomer meet and greet
(and free beer) should follow the
Spencer == Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org writes:
As to the newcomer meet and greet... I actually think we got it a
bit backwards. I think that WG chairs should be uninvited. (as
much as I like free beer). Rather, I think that the newcomer
meet and greet (and
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