Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dhc-option-guidelines-14.txt (Guidelines for Creating New DHCPv6 Options) to Best Current Practice

2013-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-10-09, at 10:53, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: Of course there are cases where this doesn't matter, and DHCP is just fine, but I can't think of any other than perhaps a self-setting wall clock. DNSSEC validation imposes a requirement for clock sync (to the accuracy

Re: The RFC xx99 Series

2013-10-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-10-08, at 11:38, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote: Or how about reserving RFC 3399 for use as an example RFC number... Do we need a document to document that document for use in documents as documentation? Joe

Re: year for highest number of IETF participants

2013-10-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-10-07, at 18:08, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Aaron Yi DING aaron.d...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: Is there a pointer (maybe from IETF secretary)? The year with highest number of attendees - which one is that? The exact number of participants will be

Re: [DNSOP] Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home.

2013-09-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-09-11, at 11:43, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: OK lets consider the trust requirements here. 1. We only need to know the current time to an accuracy of 1 hour. [RRSIG expiration times are specified with a granularity of a second, right? I appreciate that most people

Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home.

2013-09-10 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Jim, On 2013-09-10, at 11:55, Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org wrote: We uncovered two practical problems, both of which need to be solved to enable full DNSSEC deployment into the home: 1) DNSSEC needs to have the time within one hour. But these devices do not have TOY clocks (and

Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home.

2013-09-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-09-10, at 12:58, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: But I'm still thinking of a scheme involving insecure ntp lookups for pool.ntp.org, then using inception times of RRSIGs of TLDs to narrow down the current time. Of course, all of that is vulnerable to replay attacks.

Re: Practical issues deploying DNSSEC into the home.

2013-09-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-09-10, at 16:52, Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: NTP can be used to get time from an IP address. I understand all of the reasons why a DNS name is preferred, but this a bootstrapping problem. Retrieval of root zone KSK trust anchors requires a DNS name, however (and you

Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to savingthe Internet from the NSA

2013-09-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-09-06, at 10:16, Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 06:20:48AM -0700, Pete Resnick wrote: In email, we insist that you authenticate the recipient's certificate before we allow you to install it and to start encrypting, and prefer to send things in the clear

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-26, at 22:28, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: The permitted size of the UDP packet is NOT 512 octets. That is the permitted size of the DNS Message. DNS Message is not the same thing as a UDP packet. Per RFC1035 Section 2.3.4. Size limits UDP messages512 octets

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-07, at 13:28, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: [...] I don't think you can argue that carrying an RFID tag with a simple number in it makes things any worse. That sounds right. The purpose of the badge is to dilute your personal privacy and announce your identity to those

Re: procedural question with remote participation

2013-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-06, at 10:26, Aaron Yi DING aaron.d...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: to clarify, imho: presentation != slides In my experience, slides are mainly useful: 1. To convey information which is difficult to express accurately by voice only (e.g. graphs, names of drafts, big numbers) 2. To

Re: procedural question with remote participation

2013-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-06, at 14:00, Hadriel Kaplan hadriel.kap...@oracle.com wrote: An example of (2) can be found in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/slides/slides-87-dnsop-8.pdf where I presented a one-slide problem statement that consisted entirely filled with an xkcd cartoon. Huh, who knew

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-06, at 11:27, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/5/2013 2:15 AM, Dan York wrote: [...] I remember that when you went to the mic you put your badge up to this sensor and your name appeared in the jabber room. ... and the main screen in the room, if we're thinking about

Re: procedural question with remote participation

2013-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-06, at 15:35, Aaron Yi DING aaron.d...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: PS: I personally find it rather funny to see people claiming one's own approach works better and so forth implicitly indicating they really understand what remote/f2f participants need, For the record, I have zero

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-06, at 15:54, Aaron Yi DING aaron.d...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: On 06/08/13 18:31, Michael Richardson wrote: And move the microphones to the people, rather than the other way around. This is indeed friendly, although standing up to walk a bit is also good, at least f2f

Re: 6tsch BoF

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-01, at 12:04, manning bill bmann...@isi.edu wrote: we have never voted at IETFs. we believe in rough consensus and running code The enduring tautology in this is the use of the word we. some of us believe in rough consensus and running code, probably enough that the mantra is

Re: Call for Comment on draft-iab-anycast-arch-implications-09 on Architectural Considerations of IP Anycast

2013-07-05 Thread Joe Abley
Hi there, I haven't reviewed the draft (but I will). One thing stood out though: On 2013-07-05, at 05:05, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 62449 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION:

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-28, at 15:19, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: The RFC Editor is publishing code in a text file that is formatted like an RFC. The proposal is for the RFC Editor to publish *the exact same code* in a file without the RFC wrapping. If you really think you see a legal

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-27, at 11:49, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote: RFC 6234 contains, embedded in it, code to implement various functions, including SHA-2. Extracting that code from the RFC is not a clean process. In addition the code must have existed unembedded

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
Oh, I missed the first date line in my paste, which makes the second one a bit mysterious. Here it is :-) [krill:~]% date Thu 27 Jun 2013 12:56:35 EDT [krill:~]% mkdir 6234 [krill:~]% cd 6234 ... On 2013-06-27, at 13:22, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: [krill:~]% mkdir 6234 [krill

Re: RFC 6234 code

2013-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-27, at 15:38, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: Ok, other than time, it should be easy to extract, clean up and cross your fingers that it compiles with your favorite C compiler. Having just done it, I'm happy to report that there was little finger-crossing involved. The fact

Re: [IETF] Re: IETF, ICANN and non-standards

2013-06-19 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-19, at 17:03, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:43 PM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: Assuming we care about stability and interoperability, wouldn't it make sense for the IETF to spin up a WG, collect these drafts, clean up the language, make sure

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ted, On 2013-05-29, at 9:54, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On May 29, 2013, at 12:36 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: If I had been able to figure out what else to say that would be stronger, constructive, and not stray into Applicability Statement territory, I would

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource R ecords for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-29 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ted, On 2013-05-29, at 15:50, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: Okay, I felt a bit embarrassed about having said this, so I went back and reviewed the justification for bringing this forth as an IETF document. The stated reason for publishing the document as an IETF document is

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-28, at 3:38, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: In theory the IETF does not publish RFCs to suit the regulations of one country (see use-case in draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-04). In practice, the IETF has published a RFC to suit the requirements (it was a voluntary measure

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Randy, On 2013-05-21, at 11:23, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i have read the draft. if published, i would prefer it as a proposed standard as it does specify protocol data objects. Noted, thanks. It does seem that the main objection to the standards track for this document is that I

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 09:36, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: Publishing EUI-XX addresses in the DNS is a bad idea. With respect, *my* question as the author of this document is simply whether the specification provided is unambiguous and sufficient. It was my understanding that

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 10:18, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: Perhaps Informational or Experimental would be a better label for this document, then. Informational was my original plan; I was persuaded by Some People that the standards track was more appropriate. As I mentioned, my

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 11:50, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 05/21/2013 11:46 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: With respect to the question of proposed standard. What changes if the requested status is informational? I think just get rid of the normative language - SHOULDs, MUSTs,

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 11:56, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 05/21/2013 11:52 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2013-05-21, at 11:50, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 05/21/2013 11:46 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: With respect to the question of proposed standard. What changes

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 12:02, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: Actually I think that what we need is a BCP that says that DNS is not intended, not designed, and SHOULD NOT be used for dissemination of any information that is not deemed acceptable for widespread public distribution.

Re: Proposed Standards and Expert Review

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-21, at 15:08, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: Without responding in detail to John's note, I'll say that I agree substantially with the notion that the fact that someone manages to get a protocol name or number registered, should not be any kind of justification

Re: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6021-bis-01

2013-05-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-08, at 17:30, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: At 12:53 08-05-2013, Randy Bush wrote: MAY != SHOULD The text is as follows: The name SHOULD be fully qualified whenever possible. If the working group would like a RFC 2119 SHOULD it would help if there is an explanation

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-04-29, at 16:49, Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu wrote: Stewart == Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com writes: Stewart Why would you disregard a statistical analysis? That seems Stewart akin to disregarding the fundamentals of science and Statistical analysis is only

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-03-25, at 12:17, Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu wrote: On 03/25/13 11:54, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com allegedly wrote: So perhaps a little more guidance to authors and WGs about acknowledgments would be in order. or a statement that acknowledgments is not a required section and

Re: Is there a Git repository of RFCs? Or of Internet-Drafts?

2013-03-16 Thread Joe Abley
What useful history can you possibly get when each file is only ever substantively changed by publishing another file? Aue Te Ariki! He toki ki roto taku mahuna! On 2013-03-16, at 14:21, James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: JL == John Levine jo...@taugh.com writes: JL In practice, rsync

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-03-12, at 12:59, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: There lies the fine line of conflict of interest that I believe the IETF has done a tremendous job in keeping in control with diverse disciplines and philosophies well considered. The RFC format by definition, Were you

Re: [IETF] Petition for We the People US Federal Government petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.

2013-03-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-03-08, at 14:09, Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx wrote: I think you may be over-estimating the filtering power of the Internet-Draft system. Perhaps the implication is that if the Whitehouse were to insist upon a 1970s publication format and employed an array of tools to reject

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-dps-framework-08

2012-07-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 2012-07-18, at 11:49, Russ Housley wrote: So a DNSSEC signer starts under one set of documents, and then for whatever reason, the policy changes and the parties validating the signature have no means to determine that the signer is following a new policy. They have means, they just

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-dps-framework-08

2012-07-17 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Russ, On 2012-07-17, at 19:06, Russ Housley wrote: I think you missed my point. In a PKI, when the issuer significantly changes the policy, subsequent certificates have a different policy identifier. I do not see a similar concept here. You're right, I did miss your point, quite

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-dps-framework-08

2012-07-16 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Russ, On 2012-07-15, at 11:39, Russ Housley wrote: Peter: Thanks for the review. I've not read this document yet, but you review raises a question in my mind. If a DNSSEC policy or practice statement is revised or amended, what actions are needed make other aware of the change?

Re: Review of: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-03

2011-05-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-05-11, at 20:25, Joe Touch wrote: FWIW, the Los Angeles County banned the terms in 2003 when used for various purposes - including technology, preferring primary and secondary, in specific. The terms don't even appear in the ATA spec after version 1. I believe that story may be

Re: [v6ops] Review of: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-03

2011-05-16 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Dave, I take no position on whether it's in good taste to use the word whitelist in this particular instance or in general, but On 2011-05-16, at 18:21, Dave CROCKER wrote: 1. It is not previously standardized and I believe it is not documented in an RFC. the term appears to have some

Re: [v6ops] Review of: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-03

2011-05-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-05-16, at 18:33, Dave CROCKER wrote: 2. It is typically a split-DNS private/public mechanism. No. No doubt you can point to IETF documentation or other related, formal documentation of this? No, and I'm not sure why that's relevant. There's no shortage of examples of addresses

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-special-names-01.txt (Special-Use Domain Names) to Proposed Standard

2011-01-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-01-28, at 10:15, SM wrote: Domain Name: EXAMPLE.COM Registrar: RESERVED-INTERNET ASSIGNED NUMBERS AUTHORITY Whois Server: whois.iana.org Referral URL: http://res-dom.iana.org Name Server: A.IANA-SERVERS.NET Name Server: B.IANA-SERVERS.NET Status:

Re: this seems to have become broken some time back

2011-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-01-18, at 15:03, bill manning wrote: and I guess I am the only one who might still use it - but regardless, if its broken, it should seems that the mail attachment (MIME) is no longer a copy of the draft in question, its a dummy text block. I don't think it was ever a copy of

Re: The IPv6 Transitional Preference Problem

2010-06-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-06-20, at 15:52, Geert Jan de Groot wrote: IMHO, there's 2 issues: 1. Global IPv6 connectivity doesn't exist - at best, it's a tunnel mess with bits and pieces continuously falling off, then getting reconnected again, and nobody seems to care - there's no effort to make

Re: Last Call: draft-kucherawy-authres-header-b (Authentication-Results Registration For Differentiating Among Cryptographic Results) to Proposed Standard

2010-05-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-26, at 07:18, SM wrote: I see that in some published RFCs, but I didn't see how to create a non-appendix section after the appendices using xml2rfc. section title=Acknowledgements should work. I think you would need to create the section at the back of the front section, and

Re: websocketprotocol or the demise of the draft-100 experiment

2010-05-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-24, at 20:50, Bill McQuillan wrote: I noticed the publication of draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-00 and, I presume, the ending of its previous incarnation as draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol at 76. I had been watching to see how this test of the naming format of internet

Re: Last Call: draft-hethmon-mcmurray-ftp-hosts (File Transfer Protocol HOST Command) to Proposed Standard

2010-05-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-12, at 12:32, Paul Hoffman wrote: The use of FTP dwarfs the use of SFTP by at least two orders of magnitude. Sure. To paraphrase my comment (or at least re-state it in a clearer way) from a protocol perspective, setting aside deficiencies in particular implementations, it seems

Re: Formal SPAM Compliant filed against Anderson...

2010-05-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-06, at 05:01, Robert Stangarone wrote: I did just as you suggest (contact the FTC) some time ago, and Dean stopped the SPAM. This sounds like valuable operational data. Given your experience, can you confirm exactly what you had to send and to whom in order to make this happen?

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

2010-04-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-03-31, at 20:56, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: In theory it is possible to use a US issued credit card in Europe. In practice, forget it unless you are willing to face the embarrassment of 50% of places declining your card. My experience in the UK is that outside London you are

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

2010-03-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-03-30, at 09:49, Theodore Tso wrote: I'd recommend telling your bank and your credit card issuers that you are planning on traveling to The Netherlands at least a week or two in advance. I'd recommend that someone creates the 78-attendees list right now, so that all this list

Re: DNSCurve vs. DNSSEC - FIGHT! (was OpenDNS today announced it has adopted DNSCurve to secure DNS)

2010-02-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-02-24, at 15:50, Tony Finch wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Shane Kerr wrote: DNSSEC declares out of scope: * the channel where DS records get added to the parent Is that actually out of scope or just not specified yet? The whole channel from end-user (registrant) to registry

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, On 2010-01-05, at 03:34, SM wrote: Is what is proposed in this draft a matter of interest to the DNS Operations Working Group? If so, the document could have been brought to the attention of the relevant working group before the Last Call. That doesn't preclude the draft from being

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-05, at 16:55, SM wrote: The diversity of operators has some advantages, i.e. not sharing fate. The Introduction Section of this draft mentions that The choice of operators for individual nameservers is beyond the scope of this document. I don't know whether a change of

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Phil, [Replying from jab...@hopcount.ca rather than joe.ab...@icann.org, since the former is the address which is subscribed to the ietf@ietf.org list.] On 2010-01-04, at 16:46, Phil Pennock wrote: On 2010-01-04 at 06:08 -0800, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 14:43, Sam Hartman wrote: I'm not really particularly happy with Joe's two recent DNS drafts. If I can help clarify anything, please let me know. They give me the impression as a reader that a lot of context is being hidden from me and that the implications of the draft

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 17:40, John R. Levine wrote: If you could me more substantive guidance as to where the documents could be improved, I'd be very happy. As things stand the best I can do is say I'm sorry :-) Well, OK. Is there a plan to move the DNS for in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa to

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 17:59, Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-01-04, at 17:40, John R. Levine wrote: If you could me more substantive guidance as to where the documents could be improved, I'd be very happy. As things stand the best I can do is say I'm sorry :-) Well, OK. Is there a plan to move

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 19:23, Sam Hartman wrote: So, I think John is asking the questions well about the in-addr.arpa plan. OK. I hope the answers are helpful. For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 21:50, John R. Levine wrote: For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of the draft. I presume that's what you meant? It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 21:40, John C Klensin wrote: Ok, Joe, a few questions since, as indicated in another note, you are generating these documents in your ICANN capacity: (1) If ICANN can re-delegate the servers for these domains without IAB or IETF action, why is IETF action needed to create

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 22:09, John R. Levine wrote: It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the motivation for adding SINK.ARPA when its semantics and operations, at least for clients, appear identical to whatever.INVALID. I don't know that I have anything much to add to my

Re: Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2009-12-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-30, at 14:13, John Levine wrote: Aren't we arguing in circles here? The original proposal was for an RFC to mark SINK.ARPA as special. To be slightly pedantic, it was a proposal to make a policy decision that the name SINK.ARPA should not be made to exist by those responsible for

Re: Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2009-12-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-27, at 20:16, John Levine wrote: It seems to me that if we think it's a good idea to specify a domain name that doesn't exist, we're better off clarifying the status of the ones already specified rather than inventing new ones. Since the people who manage .ARPA are the exact same

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-sink-arpa (The Eternal Non-Existence of SINK.ARPA (and other stories)) to BCP

2009-12-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-25, at 06:02, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: What is the actual difference between the proposed sink.arpa and the existing .invalid? (a) Our idea when we chose that name was to try and make the policy environment within which the (non-) assignment rule was to be instituted clear. The

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-sink-arpa (The Eternal Non-Existence of SINK.ARPA (and other stories)) to BCP

2009-12-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-27, at 13:07, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: I don't get it. Are you saying that you think it's possible that someone will come along and overturn RFC 2606, and that that someone wouldn't overturn any .arpa-related rules? I'm saying that the body that administers the root zone is not

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-sink-arpa (The Eternal Non-Existence of SINK.ARPA (and other stories)) to BCP

2009-12-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-22, at 04:57, John C Klensin wrote: Let me say this a little more strongly. This proposal effectively modifies RFC 5321 for one particular domain name at the same time that it effectively (see notes by others) advocates against coding the relevant domain name into anything or

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-sink-arpa (The Eternal Non-Existence of SINK.ARPA (and other stories)) to BCP

2009-12-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-22, at 11:33, SM wrote: This draft requires IAB review and approval. You'll note that we asked for it in section 6. The following paragraph may require some scrutiny: INVALID is poorly characterised from a DNS perspective in [RFC2606]; that is, the specification

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-sink-arpa (The Eternal Non-Existence of SINK.ARPA (and other stories)) to BCP

2009-12-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-22, at 18:32, SM wrote: At 06:23 22-12-2009, Joe Abley wrote: On 2009-12-22, at 11:33, SM wrote: The goal was to provide a set of additional requirements that the IAB would take into consideration when carrying out the duties as described in 3172. For example, some far

Re: Corporate email attachment filters and IETF emails

2009-12-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-08, at 13:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Or is there a way already to customize this that I missed? You can submit a draft using the I-D submission tool using an address that is not listed in the document as an author's address. You can validate a draft for submission using the I-D

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-12-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-04, at 07:38, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: 'largely semantic?' Yes, by which I meant having little practical impact on the business of shifting packets on the network. The other text that you couldn't see due to the searing bright pain you apparently felt when presented with the

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-12-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-02, at 14:12, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The alternative would be to not use .local at all and insist on that approach as a means of avoiding ICANNs perceived perogatives. I think that would be a bad idea as the spec would not serve its intended purpose. Given the existing

Re: [dnsext] Last Call: draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-rsasha256 (Use of SHA-2 algorithms with RSA in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC) to Proposed Standard

2009-09-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-09-08, at 09:50, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the DNS Extensions WG (dnsext) to consider the following document: - 'Use of SHA-2 algorithms with RSA in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC ' draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-rsasha256-14.txt as a Proposed

Re: Usage of DNS UPDATE protocols by server applications to manage the DNS records they need on their own

2009-07-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 31-Jul-2009, at 07:30, Tobias Markmann wrote: The protocol that seems to handle such DNS updates seems to be RFC 2136 which is around since 1997. I wonder how far this RFC is implemented among authoritative DNS servers and whether that RFC is the right approach to solve the problem of

Re: Subscriptions to ietf-honest

2009-03-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Mar-2009, at 14:35, Melinda Shore wrote: I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing list, and I'm unhappy about it. As I think was mentioned a day or two ago on this list, the reasonable way I found to avoid these auto-subscriptions to ietf-honest was to block packets from

Re: Subscriptions to ietf-honest

2009-03-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Mar-2009, at 14:52, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I know someone else who simply refuses all traffic sourced from inside a certain AS associated with Mr Anderson; that person seems more cheerful for the effort, too. r1.owls#show ip access-list from-world Extended IP access list from-world

Re: Does being an RFC mean anything?

2009-03-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11 Mar 2009, at 15:22, Lawrence Rosen wrote: The world is now full of standards organizations that treat their works as more significant than merely technical information. Why do we need IETF for that purpose? The RFC series is an ongoing record of the technical underpinnings of the

Re: IETF copying conditions

2008-09-19 Thread Joe Abley
On 19 Sep 2008, at 07:52, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:35:20PM -0400, Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 31 lines which said: I think the *whole point* of a standard is to restrict how things are done, in order to promote interoperability. Complaining

Re: IETF copying conditions

2008-09-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17 Sep 2008, at 18:42, Lawrence Rosen wrote: Of course none of the SDOs that I work with want to see incompatible versions. But this turns the issue on its head. Open source and open standards deal with the freedom to do things, even though we might discourage people to take us up on that

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7 Jul 2008, at 21:36, James Seng wrote: And all of the questions I asked 10 years ago said that TLDs on that latter scale would be problematic to the root. Was that pre-Anycast or post-Anycast? There are plenty of examples of people hosting large, infrastructure- type zones using

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27 Jun 2008, at 15:57, David Conrad wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 12:21 PM, SM wrote: I believe an RFC that provides an IETF-defined list of names (beyond the 4 in 2606) and/or rules defining names the Internet technical community feels would be inappropriate as top-level domains would be

Re: SHOULD vs MUST (was Re: Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-07)

2008-06-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 23 Jun 2008, at 06:19, Dave Cridland wrote: A final point is that actually phrasing it as MUST X or Y is problematic since English lacks the possibility of parenthesis for precendence - hence a stronger binding, such as MUST X unless Y, is preferable. Preferable to me would be to

Re: Problems drawing up a draft for independant submission

2008-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Jun 2008, at 12:02, Chad Giffin wrote: whereas IETF guidelines is a link to ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt I have no access to ftp sites using the FTP protocol due to the nature of the setup of network I use. Could any of you please provide me with a URL to access this

Re: RFC 3484 Section 6 Rule 9

2008-06-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3 Jun 2008, at 17:37, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I don't deny that some registries have started allocating PI prefixes for large sites. ARIN is one such registry. http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#six58 All you need to do to qualify for a direct IPv6 assignment from ARIN is to not

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

2008-03-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27 Mar 2008, at 20:38 , Mark Andrews wrote: OTOH, I think standardizing this convention makes all sorts of sense, but not, of course, in 2821bis. Why not in 2821bis? Is 2821bis really that time critical? I would prefer to see the empty field intention implicit in MX 0 .

Re: Online blue sheets, was: Re: Scheduling unpleasantness

2008-03-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:08 , Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Bill Manning wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 02:22:05PM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: So I'm offering to build an online version of the blue sheets so in the future, it will be easy to determine which wgs

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24 Mar 2008, at 11:18 , Marc Manthey wrote: hello ipv6 peoples, sorry for crossposting how can i use ipv6 from my machine ? using leopard 10.5.2. mail ? my endpoint is 2001:6f8:1051:0:20d:93ff:fe79:f1e thought its automatic :-P I think you just need to make sure that the servers

Re: Letter of invitation (for Visa)

2008-02-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Feb-2008, at 09:54, Bert Wijnen - IETF wrote: I am somewhat surprised about this: LETTERS OF INVITATION: After you complete the registration process, you will be given the option of requesting a Letter of Invitation for IETF 71 in Philadelphia and for IETF 73 in

Re: Presentation on IP address shortage

2008-02-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Feb-2008, at 14:05, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: I'm looking for a reasonably recent presentation on the state of IP address allocation that would be suitable for a class I'm teaching. If you're looking for source material rather than slideware, I imagine there is no more up-to-date

Re: AMS - IETF Press Release

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-Feb-2008, at 14:42, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The real problem here is the loser MUAs and MTAs that reformat text to wrap at 60 or 80 cols. It does not matter how you paste the URL, if it is longer than 60 cols it is quite likely to get mangled en-route. Clients that implement RFC

Re: [IAOC] RFC Editor costs - Proofreading (was Re: My view of theIAOC Meeting Selection Guidelines)

2008-02-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Feb-2008, at 17:38, Marshall Eubanks wrote: But then shouldn't the question be whether the style manual should be changed ? From consistent with English grammar to something else? Joe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: [IAOC] RFC Editor costs - Proofreading (was Re: My view of the IAOC Meeting Selection Guidelines)

2008-02-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Feb-2008, at 13:53, Fred Baker wrote: I have occasionally found myself wondering whether a grammar checker that could read our XML files (about 1/3 of our posted drafts have XML source posted with them) and make suggestions would be of value. In converting what is now RFC 1716 to RFC

Re: [IAOC] Dublin Hotel Contract was Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8-Feb-2008, at 14:33, Richard Barnes wrote: I noticed the same thing when I was making my booking. As a precaution, I put a note in the Comments block saying that I expect the terms of the IETF contract to be followed, with a copy of the terms from Ray's email. Heh, and I thought I

Re: IPv6-clean path from root to www.ietf.org?

2008-02-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Feb-2008, at 23:48, Ram Mohan wrote: This will get taken care of in a short time here. Appropriate records were added to the INFO zone earlier today. Joe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-00.txt

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18-Jan-2008, at 21:48, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I've always wondered what the designation for your information adds to an RFC that is already labelled informational. Me too. I hope to find out :-) Joe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-00.txt

2008-01-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Jan-2008, at 18:50, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Added sentences to section 8.1 explaining that BCPs and FYIs are sub- series of Informational RFCs. Namely: The sub-series of FYIs and BCPs are comprised of Informational documents in the sense of the enumeration above, with

Re: TCP

2007-12-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Dec-2007, at 22:17, Greg Shepherd wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 3:17 PM, Tony Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Fred Baker wrote: On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:17 AM, Jeyasekar Antony wrote: I heard that TCP is not suitable for high speed network because of its is it true? is

Re: Lets be careful with those XML submissions to the RFC Editor

2007-11-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Nov-2007, at 12:16, Marshall Rose wrote: agreed. at the risk of stating the obvious: the problem is identical to the one where the authors submit nroff source to the rfc-editor. it's always a good idea to run the toolchain, and then diff the text against the I-D approved by the IESG. if

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