Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-21 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 00:52, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: To be more specific, at least section 5.5 (it is unclear how implementers will judge when the network conditions will have changed sufficiently to justify turning off DNS Resolver Whitelisting

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-21 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 2/21/12 2:54 AM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.commailto:lore...@google.com wrote: I think the suggested change does not go far enough. The high-service-level domains that prompted this draft to be written, and all the implementers I'm currently aware of, are decommissioning the practice.

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-15 Thread Livingood, Jason
To be more specific, at least section 5.5 (it is unclear how implementers will judge when the network conditions will have changed sufficiently to justify turning off DNS Resolver Whitelisting and/or what the process and timing will be for discontinuing this practice) is now incorrect. It *is*

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-12 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/9/12 01:25 , Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 00:36, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com mailto:joe...@bogus.com wrote: Ops is not marketing. And if I were looking for a marketing venue, a standards body that produces ASCII text documents read by a handful of engineers

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-09 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 00:36, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: Ops is not marketing. And if I were looking for a marketing venue, a standards body that produces ASCII text documents read by a handful of engineers would not be high on my list. This is not about marketing. If you're

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-09 Thread Roger Jørgensen
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote: snip It seems to me that approximately 30% of the non-biolerplate text in this draft discusses DNS whitelisting. (And in fact, in its original form the draft entirely on DNS whitelisting - hence the filename. The rest

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/9/2012 10:02 AM, Roger Jørgensen wrote: Or, the way I read you, you tell us that this entire document isn't relevant anymore. It cover something called whitelisting that were in use for a short periode of time for reason no one in a few year can understand as relevant? +1 --

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-08 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 2/8/12 05:54 , Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 01:35, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com mailto:f...@cisco.com wrote: The IESG again decided it needed a revised draft, and that draft - in large part, a rewrite - arrived in October. v6ops had a second WGLC, in which you

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-08 Thread Fred Baker
What specifically would you like changed in the draft? Can you suggest text? On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 01:35, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: The IESG again decided it needed a revised draft, and that draft - in large part, a rewrite -

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-08 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 01:35, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: The IESG again decided it needed a revised draft, and that draft - in large part, a rewrite - arrived in October. v6ops had a second WGLC, in which you again declined to comment, although you may have seen Lorenzo's comments,

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message cakd1yr2xgkeek7sarjmzsbdjps0u5ftozo0qa5ma4fda+sb...@mail.gmail.com, Lorenzo Colitti writes: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 01:35, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: The IESG again decided it needed a revised draft, and that draft - in large part, a rewrite - arrived in October. v6ops had

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-06 Thread Erik Kline
On 4 February 2012 01:35, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Erik Kline wrote: World IPv6 Launch changes the relevance of this document greatly, I think.  Since this would be published after the announcement of World IPv6 Launch, I think the document should be

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-03 Thread Erik Kline
World IPv6 Launch changes the relevance of this document greatly, I think. Since this would be published after the announcement of World IPv6 Launch, I think the document should be updated to discuss its own applicability in a post- World IPv6 Launch Internet. On 2 February 2012 00:09, The IESG

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-03 Thread Tina TSOU
I think that although the draft mainly discusses -whitelisting, it can be more specific in section 2 on issues impacting content delivery over ipv6. Perhaps the biggest challenge in the IPv4-to-IPv6 transition is that the two protocols are not compatible; that is, IPv4-only systems cannot

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-08.txt (Considerations for Transitioning Content to IPv6) to Informational RFC

2012-02-03 Thread Fred Baker
On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Erik Kline wrote: World IPv6 Launch changes the relevance of this document greatly, I think. Since this would be published after the announcement of World IPv6 Launch, I think the document should be updated to discuss its own applicability in a post- World IPv6