Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-28 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
One final note from me, as I want to state my current position regarding 4871bis, with respect to Last Call. As the receiving verifier has all the information to _reliably_ [0] determine which combination(s) [1] of From [2] and DKIM-Signature verifies correctly, it has the means to provide

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-25 Thread SM
At 14:38 15-06-2011, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures' draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt as a Draft Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-25 Thread Barry Leiba
This document obsoletes RFC 4871 for which there is an IPR disclosure ( http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1547/ ).  As this is a move from Proposed to Draft, is a new IPR disclosure required? The disclosure you cite *is* the new one, which applies to the 4871bis draft (disclosure 1547 updates

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-25 Thread Barry Leiba
One final response from me to this, because it is relevant to the IETF last call: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Douglas Otis do...@mail-abuse.org wrote: Complaints from John, Dave, and Barry and others is likely and understandably out of fatigue.  They just want the process to be over. No.

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-24 Thread Douglas Otis
On 6/23/11 8:24 AM, John Levine wrote: In article4e02ee24.2060...@gmail.com you write: On 6/22/11 11:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Folks, The bottom line about Doug's note is that the working group extensively considered the basic issue of multiple From: header fields and Doug is raising

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-24 Thread Al Iverson
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Douglas Otis do...@mail-abuse.org wrote: On 6/23/11 8:24 AM, John Levine wrote: In article4e02ee24.2060...@gmail.com  you write: On 6/22/11 11:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Folks, The bottom line about Doug's note is that the working group extensively

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-24 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 6/24/2011 10:33 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: Complaints from John, Dave, and Barry and others is likely and understandably out of fatigue. They just want the process to be over. We are now hearing there is a vital protocol layering principle at stake which even precludes DKIM from making these

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-23 Thread Doug Otis
On 6/22/11 11:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Folks, The bottom line about Doug's note is that the working group extensively considered the basic issue of multiple From: header fields and Doug is raising nothing new about the topic. A quick summary of the technical point at the core of Doug's

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-23 Thread John Levine
In article 4e02ee24.2060...@gmail.com you write: On 6/22/11 11:14 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Folks, The bottom line about Doug's note is that the working group extensively considered the basic issue of multiple From: header fields and Doug is raising nothing new about the topic. Dave is quite

RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-22 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:51 PM To: ietf@ietf.org; Barry Leiba; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Sean Turner Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard [...] This indicates the DKIM specification is seriously flawed. While DKIM may not offer author validation, it was intended to establish an accountable domain

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
Folks, The bottom line about Doug's note is that the working group extensively considered the basic issue of multiple From: header fields and Doug is raising nothing new about the topic. A quick summary of the technical point at the core of Doug's concern is that the presence of multiple

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-22 Thread Barry Leiba
; Barry Leiba; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Sean Turner Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard [...] This indicates the DKIM specification is seriously flawed.  While DKIM may not offer author validation, it was intended

Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-21 Thread Douglas Otis
Background on preceding DKIM work-- RFC4686 Introduction states: ,--- The DKIM protocol defines a mechanism by which email messages can be cryptographically signed, permitting a signing domain to claim responsibility for the use of a given email address. '--- While several threats to DKIM

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-15 Thread John Levine
In article 20110615213858.9853.22165.idtrac...@ietfa.amsl.com you write: The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures' draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt as a Draft Standard

Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt (DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures) to Draft Standard

2011-06-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures' draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-12.txt as a Draft Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final