John == John William Atwood william.atw...@concordia.ca writes:
John It's not clear to me which is less desirable, starting on
John Easter day, or finishing on Good Friday. Both are important
John from the Christian perspective. However, for a significant
John part of the IETF
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On the
other hand, travel on 27 March should be relatively
I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of April
3 - 8.
- Philip
On 2012-08-02, at 9:45 , IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled
It's not clear to me which is less desirable, starting on Easter day, or
finishing on Good Friday. Both are important from the Christian
perspective. However, for a significant part of the IETF membership,
neither Easter nor Good Friday is important. My vote would be to leave
it where it is.
,
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Timo
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I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of
April 3 - 8.
- Philip
On 2012-08-02, at 9:45 , IETF
I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of
April 3 - 8.
Strongly opposed.
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The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 -
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:45 AM, IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org wrote:
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would
like
feedback on those dates before making a decision.
Support.
--Olaf
Both the original and the proposed new dates are fine with me. Note
that anyone planning on traveling on 26 March (the day before Easter)
should probably make their reservations well ahead of time. On the
other hand, travel on 27 March should be relatively easy.
Cheers,
Andy
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On Jul 20, 2012, at 18:36 , Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 10:08 +0200, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27
On Jul 23, 2012, at 14:28, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
you need to take into account at least both the Friday and Monday in some
countries.
+1
In much of Europe, the Easter holidays run from Good Friday to Easter Monday,
and exhibit
-- strong travel activity
-- zero to reduced opening times
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On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
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scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
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Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF
95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
I don't understand why this issue is coming up.
Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for
Muslims and nobody asked to change it?
I think focusing on the religious roots of the holiday is misguided.
The question is what effect
John Levine wrote:
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You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August
unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand.
Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are
even hotels and restaurants and
By cutting the sunrise-to-sunset fasting period of the day to a much shorter
period.
Actually, the first day of this IETF (and the last of IETF54) were very
interesting
for those fasting on the 9th of Av fast day and having to travel westwards.
Flying west during the fast increases its
On Jul 22, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Ofer Inbar wrote:
Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote:
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:
This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the
meeting one week
It is my understanding that for these types of reasons (and others), folks who
are adhering to Ramadan can eat while traveling and if they are sick.
And agreed to previous point that the southern hemisphere may have been less
impacting in this particular case (given overlap during IETF in
That said, moving the meeting further south would
have helped as well vs. How far north Vancouver is.
Summer daytime temperatures in Vancouver are typically 20c or lower,
while in the southern US they're usually over 30c. I'm not sure
that would be an improvement.
You're not going to find
On 7/22/12 6:10 AM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote:
It is my understanding that for these types of reasons (and others),
folks who are adhering to Ramadan can eat while traveling and if they
are sick.
I'd be a lot more comfortable with people describing/speaking up
for their own religious
On 7/22/12 8:04 AM, John Levine wrote:
You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August
unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand.
Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are
even hotels and restaurants and airports. Anchorage is probably
I think you should look into the possibility. January maybe, or
February, give our attendees some sense of what cold and dark
really means :-) Much more productive when you can't leave the
building...
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel:
On Jul 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
I'd be a lot more comfortable with people describing/speaking up
for their own religious requirements.
That's no fun. We're much more loquacious when we're talking about other
peoples religions, other people's laws, other people's gender
You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August
unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand.
Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are
even hotels and restaurants and airports. Anchorage is probably
large enough for an IETF meeting, although
On 7/22/12 11:25 AM, John Levine wrote:
I believe it, but remember that the issue was to minimize daylight fasting
during the North American summer.
Moderate temperatures were thrown into the mix, which I guess provides
a pretty good illustration of the challenges of making everybody happy.
I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the
14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I
too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday
into account, and what would be the practical way to do that?
On 21/07/2012 02:30, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a
few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some
accommodations that can be made at any IETF
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 01:30 +, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a
few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some
accommodations that can be made
As for the Ramadan issue
you deserve to deal with surly folk such as i when we have not eaten for
twelve hours.
randy
On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the
14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I
too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday
into account, and what would be
You can just plan one at anytime but in the early morning. This would help and
will come before the tiring part is taking place.
Best Regards
Muhammad Badi
On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
I'd support a date change for IETF 95
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:
This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the
meeting one week in either direction would not have helped.
But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have.
From: James Polk jmp...@cisco.com
outstanding - now we can't meet that whole year... ;-)
Particularly since in _my_ religion, our religious days consist of the set of
days which _aren't_ religious holidays in any other religion... :-)
Noel
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote:
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:
This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the
meeting one week in either direction would not have helped.
But moving it to the southern hemisphere
Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote:
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:
This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the
meeting one week in either direction would not have helped.
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 21:42 -0400, Ofer Inbar wrote:
Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote:
On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:
This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the
I see. Well, look on the bright side: the meeting could have been in
Reykjavik ;-).
Yes, that would have been bright, wouldn't it?
R's,
John
PS: sure like those hot dogs, though.
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would
like
feedback on those dates
What a perspective refresher - March 2016!
My projects end 2013. Those which have not yet started end 2015.
2015 is the deadline for fire detectors being mandatory in EU.
2018 - maybe a new metro line near where I live, but not known
underground or above.
2016 new presidential elections
On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:06 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be
As long as you don't go any later than the week of April 10 - the week
of April 17 runs into the start of Passover.
Thanks,
Andy
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative
For convenience, the complete list:
http://www.interfaithcalendar.org/2016.htm
On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
As long as you don't go any later than the week of April 10 - the week
of April 17 runs into the start of Passover.
Thanks,
Andy
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at
I don't understand why this issue is coming up.
Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for
Muslims and nobody asked to change it?
My 2 cents.
Behcet
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Easter.
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Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
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The IAOC
At 12:58 PM 7/20/2012, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
For convenience, the complete list:
http://www.interfaithcalendar.org/2016.htm
outstanding - now we can't meet that whole year... ;-)
On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
As long as you don't go any later than the week of
At 12:29 PM 7/20/2012, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change
for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled
On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
I don't understand why this issue is coming up.
Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for
Muslims and nobody asked to change it?
Two comments, a question, and a suggestion.
One, the muslims in the crowd had the
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On 7/20/12 12:42 , Mary Barnes wrote:
Also, the range of
dates for Spring Break is extremely broad in my experience.
More than 6 months inclusive of the southern hemisphere.
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:06 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
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by 6 August 2012.
As much as I would love to see
On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a
few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some
accommodations that can be made at any IETF meeting for different holidays of
major religions,
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95
scheduled for March 2016.
Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is
Easter.
The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would
like
feedback on those dates
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