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Subject: Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy
great idea - just does not jive with the legal system which often need
authenticated copies of documents
Scott
On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF
@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy
--On Friday, July 20, 2012 06:07 -0700 IETF Administrative Director
i...@ietf.org wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the
IAOC to impose fees to produce information and authenticate documents
No objection. Thank you for asking.
Just as with any project that you don't really want to take on, make
sure the price is high enough that you're willing to do it should
someone be foolish enough to pay the asking price.
Also consider adding an automatic fee escalation clause (e.g. permit
In theory yes, a signed document would be sufficient.
In practice it would then require an expert witness at $400/hr to
explain that it meant it was authentic.
The schedule of fees seems a reasonable response to a real cost being
imposed on the organization.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM,
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 06:07:33AM -0700, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
Before adopting a policy the IAOC would like feedback on this before making a
decision. Comments appreciated to ietf@ietf.org by 6 August 2012.
I think this is a perfectly legitimate policy, and I support it. The
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 06:07 -0700, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be found
at: http://iaoc.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html
Assuming that the IAOC has set these fees to be close to the actual
costs of servicing legal
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the IAOC to
impose
fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to
subpoenas and
other legal requests.
The IETF receives requests for
+1
Although I wonder whether radical openness would be cheaper in the long run:
Put everything online and have an auto-responder at subpo...@ietf.org that says
Go look it up yourself.
--Richard
On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Warren Kumari wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be
found
at: http://iaoc.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html
Fine idea.
great idea - just does not jive with the legal system which often need
authenticated
copies of documents
Scott
On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can
[assuming you mean the go look it up idea]
We have the technology. Surely a CMS signed object (or even just an HTTPS
download) would provide adequate authentication that it came from the IETF.
And it doesn't seem like we would have a problem providing authenticated
documents to the world.
On 20/07/2012 14:07, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the IAOC to
impose
fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to
subpoenas and
other legal requests.
Do it. This will dissuade trivial requests
--On Friday, July 20, 2012 06:07 -0700 IETF Administrative
Director i...@ietf.org wrote:
The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by
the IAOC to impose fees to produce information and
authenticate documents in response to subpoenas and other
legal requests.
...
Before
On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 06:07 -0700, IETF Administrative Director wrote:
The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be found
at: http://iaoc.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html
Assuming that the IAOC has set
The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be found
at: http://iaoc.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html
It seems fine to me, but I would add an hourly rate for research.
For requests for e-mail, do they typically provide pointers to the
specific archive entries, or do
On 7/20/2012 7:25 AM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
We have the technology. Surely a CMS signed object (or even just an HTTPS
download) would provide adequate authentication that it came from the IETF.
And it doesn't seem like we would have a problem providing authenticated
documents to the
On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 7/20/2012 7:25 AM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
We have the technology. Surely a CMS signed object (or even just an HTTPS
download) would provide adequate authentication that it came from the IETF.
And it doesn't seem like we would have a
I have taken a look at this policy. but still not very clear about this
policy.
could you kindly show some examples for charging the fee?
Jiankang Yao
- Original Message -
From: IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org
To: IETF Announcement List ietf-annou...@ietf.org
Cc:
I completely agree that it's reasonable to be able to recover these
costs, and trust the IAOC to set the fees to a level commensurate for
cost recovery. There's no reason why the IETF should be financially
burdened by lawsuits between external parties in which the IETF is not
a principal party to
20 jul 2012 kl. 16:09 skrev Richard L. Barnes rbar...@bbn.com:
+1
Although I wonder whether radical openness would be cheaper in the long run:
Put everything online and have an auto-responder at subpo...@ietf.org that
says Go look it up yourself.
I could think of some other things it
: 20 July 2012 15:25
To: Bradner, Scott
Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; Scott Brim; ietf@ietf.org;
i...@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy
[assuming you mean the go look it up idea]
We have the technology. Surely a CMS signed object (or even just an HTTPS
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