On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-21 05:44, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
snip
The Trust would need to commit to allowing these advisors to join their
meetings too. But that can be done in other ways than the Trust Agreement.
(so yes, I
At 22:47 20-09-2011, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
For the IAOC and IAB these will be difficult
challenges that cannot be enforced externally
but also need an evolutionary culture change.
Not only in the I* bodies themselves but also how the NOMCOM.
The IAOC has been around for six years. The IESG
On 20/09/2011 00:30, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
[...] the I* Chairs would
remain as Trustees. Since that is (in my experience) a large
part of an IAOC member's time commitment, the problem you're
trying to solve would not be solved, IMHO, unless the Trust
amended the Trust Agreement too. That's
--On Monday, September 19, 2011 17:58 -0500 Jorge Contreras
cntre...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Brian's interpretation is correct. If someone is an IAOC
member, voting or not, then he/she is a Trustee with full
fiduciary duties. To change this, the Trust Agreement would
need to be amended.
Dear Brian, Olaf;
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-19 20:05, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
snip
Also, the new section 2.3, which is incorrectly titled but presumably
is intended to be IETF Trust membership seems to me to be
On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
- Olaf's wording be changed to make the IAB Chair, IETF Chair and ISOC CEO
into ex-officio and non-voting Liaisons to the IAOC and the Trust.
- The TAP then be modified to recognize the status of these new ex-officio
and non-voting
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Olaf Kolkman o...@nlnetlabs.nl wrote:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
- Olaf's wording be changed to make the IAB Chair, IETF Chair and ISOC
CEO into ex-officio and non-voting Liaisons to the IAOC and the Trust.
- The TAP then be
On 2011-09-21 05:44, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
- Olaf's wording be changed to make the IAB Chair, IETF Chair and ISOC CEO
into ex-officio and non-voting Liaisons to the IAOC and the Trust.
- The TAP then be modified to recognize the status of
Hi Brian,
On 9/21/11 12:09 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com
wrote:
[snip]
The Trust would need to commit to allowing these advisors to join their
meetings too. But that can be done in other ways than the Trust
Agreement.
(so yes, I agree with this line of thought)
On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
...exactly. I'm far from convinced about that. I think the real need is to
figure out how to make the IAOC an Oversight committee rather than it getting
involved in executive decisions, and to figure out how to make the IAB an
On 2011-09-19 20:05, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
snip
Also, the new section 2.3, which is incorrectly titled but presumably
is intended to be IETF Trust membership seems to me to be inconsistent
with the Trust Agreement. The Trust Agreement states that the Eligible
Persons
(to become Trustees) are
As far as I understand the trust agreement the voting members and the IAD
are members of the trust. If the 'chairs' are non-voting members of the IAOC
then the idea is that they would not be trustees and a modification of the
trust agreement is not needed. That can be clarified.
If the
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