Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-10 Thread Mr tirveni yadav
--- Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread vivek khurana
FOSS - Free Open Source Software OSS - Open Source Software Please note the word 'software' in both these. that is what we are talking about here. There are many other Free and/ or Open thingies in the world. We are not talking about them here. Further i find people who take the

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 1:43 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Kenneth this is too much. If you are making comment on yourself then it is fine else do not think everyone with liberal or broad view fail to accomplish anything. dont be silly - does creative dot take a broad liberal view and allow

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: the only question being asked here is 'should the community participate in conferences where microsoft is a sponsor' - and if it does, how does the community benefit? I believe there is a disconnect between what Kenneth is talking about and what others are talking

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread vivek khurana
dont be silly - does creative dot take a broad liberal view and allow proprietary stuff there? Yup, you can post work created using proprietary software as long as you have licensed copy of the software. And yes we have M$ executives as contributors too. regards VK Engineers normally

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anant Narayanan
And please, for those focusing on the practical side of Linux, it would be best that you stay away from this discussion. You obviously don't look at the larger picture. There would be no Linux/FOSS if people only focused on the practical side. BS. F/OSS was doing great without all the

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 2:16 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Yup, you can post work created using proprietary software as long as you have licensed copy of the software. And yes we have M$ executives as contributors too. thats not what i said - i asked if you permit no-sharing, copy- protect,

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: the only question being asked here is 'should the community participate in conferences where microsoft is a sponsor' - and if it does, how does the community benefit? I believe there is a disconnect between

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread vivek khurana
thats not what i said - i asked if you permit no-sharing, copy- protect, no-copying, no-distribution? according to this: http://creative.linux-delhi.org/?q=node/2 you dont. Why dont you allow that also. Why restrict to just these 12 licenses? Be liberal. Invite everyone in - you

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Janani Gopalakrishnan
So when it comes to Microsoft advertising in Linux magazines and sponsoring Linux events, where you see red, I see an opportunity, of an equal footing, at Microsoft's expense. Linux and FOSS is clearly better than Windows, we just need to cut through MS's FUD. Mailing Lists will not do that

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 3:26 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Liberal/broad view does not means you allow anything. ahh - we are on the same side and saying the same thing. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 2:51 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: Not true. Linus is another one of those practical side people, who had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have you read any of his writings? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Parthan
Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote: Who had the stalls next to Microsoft at LinuxAsia? Did they use it well? (Apologies, I couldn't attend LA as I was busy getting married, so somebody who attended please throw light on this!!) I don't know about who was next to M$'s stall, I know who was there

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 2:51 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: Not true. Linus is another one of those practical side people, who had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have you

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: [...] I have mixed views on Microsoft's participation in the event. Personally, I feel that it is up to LFY to decide. Given that Linux Asia is by no stretch of the imagination a community

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, nipra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom to

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, nipra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were not

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:28 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have you read any of his writings? Kenneth which statement is it that you object to? All I'm saying is that Linus was in a more practical than philosophical mood when he started

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee related decisions of ILUGD have been mostly off the list. not so - agenda is always disclosed on the list.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee related decisions of ILUGD have been mostly off the list.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:19 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: Anyways that is not even the main point of that supposedly objectionable paragraph. The main point was that fragmenting the community for no reason is not welcome! where is the fragmentation - do you contend that LFY is part of the community?

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Sriram J
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:28 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have you read any of his writings? Kenneth which statement is it that you object to? All I'm saying is that Linus was in a

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the mailing list

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Sriram J
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I think FOSS is all about the community. And the community welcomes participation. I somehow feel something's amiss when we start banning people and organisations from any of Linux/FOSS events, because their contributions to the community

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:48 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: part of the electoral process? Before taking any decision, you do not take a decision and inform the members of the same, who did that - you are just spreading wild untrue allegations you give the members the details of the situation and ask for

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Sriram J
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an excellent one! Well during election times do you see people being asked to come to Delhi and visit the Rashtrapati Bhavan in case they want to be a part of the electoral process? Before

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:41 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: philosophy and does nothing but talk and guys like linus and guido et al are mere code monkeys without a world view. This is not true. It may be a very popular misconception, but it is not one *I* harbour. then why are you spreading it? And I

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Sriram J
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: contributions of microsoft to the community are not debatable. They are nil. But their contributions against the community are legion they contributed the line return 0; to linux code. :-) Regards Sriram

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an excellent one! Well during election times do you see people being asked to come to Delhi and visit the Rashtrapati Bhavan in case they

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread G Karunakar
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: contributions of microsoft to the community are not debatable. They are nil. But their contributions against the community are legion they contributed the line return 0; to linux code.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread G Karunakar
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread G Karunakar
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 16:38 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: [...] I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/8/07, G Karunakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wait you are confusing two entities - LUG - Linux User Group - the registered society...where a committee takes decisions (you have to pay a small fee to be registered member of this organization.. though objectives of this entity are while

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread G Karunakar
On 2/8/07, Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip snip snip] 3. We were too tempted to know what 'interoperability' they meant were all about, so we went to the M$ stall and enquired what they were having there for display on a Linux

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Vishnu Gopal
On 2/8/07, G Karunakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] well what do you expect google to show.. a screen with google search opened..? or gmail? or orkut? or youtube? or google earth?... at least they have something to do with FOSS.. whether

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Raj Shekhar
in infinite wisdom Vishnu Gopal spoke thus On 02/08/2007 07:17 PM: Offtopic, but I was there as well and it's not M$ alone that did this. Google also had eyecandy gurls and pretty much nothing in their stalls except a box where you can fill in an application to join them. Nobody however

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 19:41 +0530, Parthan wrote: Vishnu Gopal wrote: [...] Google also had eyecandy gurls [...] Second, google wasn't with eye candy gurls. [...] I am really, really confused. What is wrong with, ahem, quote eye candy gurls unquote. And, in a FOSS world! I mean, really.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Debarshi Ray
From: Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] The event needed money and they were paying lots. Call a spade a spade. If they weren't paying this huge mail wouldn't have been there, right? M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like Smirnoff sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Debarshi Ray
Let's not have any illusions. Microsoft joined in the party for its own personal selfish gains. It would be illogical to think otherwise. But the point is did succeed in harming the community? Do we need to wait for it to do more harm? Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Debarshi Ray
2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux infrastructure in house to work on and do research. They are taking on things that work in Linux and make changes to their own products. When a crime is done, the criminal knows that he is doing wrong. In most cases he also knows what is

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Debarshi Ray
Linus is another one of those practical side people, who had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. I totally agree that without RMS and FSF and GNU and all the big picture people we would not be where we are today but without the practical people we would all still be hacking on a

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 7:17 PM, Vishnu Gopal wrote: Offtopic, but I was there as well and it's not M$ alone that did this. Google also had eyecandy gurls and pretty much nothing in their stalls except a box where you can fill in an application to join them. Nobody however takes them out on this

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 09-Feb-07, at 3:05 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: Linus is another one of those practical side people, who had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. I totally agree that without RMS and FSF and GNU and all the big picture people we would not be where we are today but without the

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread vivek khurana
--- Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they contributed the line return 0; to linux code. :-) nah, exit -1 :-) regards VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-08 Thread vivek khurana
--- Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are not nil and I will vouch for it. Read my Haskell post for an example. Go to research.microsoft.com and you'll realise that Microsoft engineers contribute a lot in terms of ideas (though their code may still be under MS' control). And I

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/6/07, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Members of the Community I regret the delay in posting our 'side of the story' w.r.t. Microsoft at LinuxAsia 07. Here's our attempt... snip snip snip The event needed

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread vivek khurana
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Just one presentation with no explaination from any reperesntative regarding the purpose of presentation. Yes a presentation was running along with demo of Vista and M$ office 2007.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 07-Feb-07, at 3:42 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like Smirnoff sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet. Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by definition' opposed to an AA meet's purpose. Where as

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Mukund Deshmukh
Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by definition' opposed to an AA meet's purpose. Where as Microsoft is in the software business, just like the FOSS fellows. Microsoft sponsoring the LA event is NOT the same as Smirnoff sponsoring an AA meet. No problem!! So

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 3:42 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like Smirnoff sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet. Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Raj Shekhar
Anupam Jain wrote: FOSS is not about forcing a choice. It's about letting people know that a choice exists so that they can take a well informed decision. I see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 07-Feb-07, at 5:24 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: hold that doing so is the biggest danger to the development of software. So the analogy is exact. Wouldn't you call making money from software being in the software business? making money how? that is the question. I make money buying and

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Parthan
Anupam Jain wrote: I see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold such a showoff and that too *on our turf* then what is the problem? Why should MS parade its products on a conference named *Linux* Asia.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Anupam Jain wrote: I really don't understand what the big deal is. If the agenda was sabotaged by Microsoft by just being a partrner/sponsor then let's hear it in concrete terms *how*. This was supposed to be a Linux promotion event. This was not IT 2007 or the like, where everybody related

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
vivek khurana wrote: --- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Just one presentation with no explaination from any reperesntative regarding the purpose of presentation. Yes a presentation was running along with demo of Vista and M$

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread vivek khurana
Maybe we should create an orkut community titled MS trojan horse @ LA ;-) ducking and running VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody,

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anupam Jain wrote: FOSS is not about forcing a choice. It's about letting people know that a choice exists so that they can take a well informed decision. I see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer and us

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Debarshi Ray
A booklet distributed by Microsoft at the CXOSummit presented how Microsoft was working with Open Source projects! I believe the same was running as a presentation on their booth too. For me it is Free Software and not Open Source. I have heard Microsoft executives boast of their six 'open

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Sudev Barar
On 07/02/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only sparks that flew where when Microsoft made it abundantly clear that they would use their patent portfolio to prevent the spread of GPL software. Did something like that happen in LA too? If not then it's not something worth

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 5:24 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: hold that doing so is the biggest danger to the development of software. So the analogy is exact. Wouldn't you call making money from software being in the software business? making

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anupam Jain wrote: I see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold such a showoff and that too *on our turf* then what is the problem? Why should MS parade

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anupam Jain wrote: I really don't understand what the big deal is. If the agenda was sabotaged by Microsoft by just being a partrner/sponsor then let's hear it in concrete terms *how*. This was supposed to be a Linux promotion event.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vivek khurana wrote: --- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Just one presentation with no explaination from any reperesntative regarding the purpose of presentation.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread rahul
Hi friends, Pls allow me to clarify. 1. We had informed most speakers in advance about Microsoft's presence, and sponsors too. At least all who had signed in after the deal. 2. We never intended to hide the fact. We had mentioned the possibility of Microsoft coming in as a sponsor even during

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread Ashish Shukla
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 01:07:31AM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] PS: Interestingly, I CANNOT find any news item on the ET website with the title MS takes linux world by storm...can you? Must add, I did try to google this titlethere's one find...of an ET entry...same date...but

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread rahul
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Akshay Lamba The way I see it there are 3 stands here: 1. The event organizers really believes in the stand they took and are ready to defend it 2. The event organizers is justifying it's stand by sugar

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read thecomplete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread rahul
a similar IF YOU can't beat them why not join them tone to it. Regards rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashish Shukla Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:26 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread G Karunakar
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vivek khurana wrote: --- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote: Just one presentation with no explaination from any reperesntative regarding the purpose of presentation.

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. VERY IMP POINT!!! Interestingly, the para selected for the discussion SEEMS TO BE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SELECTIVE EDITING. No URL for this story was provided for all of us to view the complete story. Our PR agency recently sent us press-clippings of LinuxAsia. A

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread lawgon
Quoting Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 07/02/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only sparks that flew where when Microsoft made it abundantly clear that they would use their patent portfolio to prevent the spread of GPL software. Did something like that happen in LA

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread vivek khurana
when an event of big scale is to be organized the planning has to be well in advance.. engaging with the community has to begin early on not at last minute.. with less than a month left for the event! I would second that. I have come to know preparations for LCA start 18 months in

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread lawgon
Quoting Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cmon are all sponsors necessarily connected with Linux? Most companies sponsor events because they want advertising, not because they believe in the cause. BS - pure BS. Take a look at the sponsorship list at foss.in. Most companies sponsor foss

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread lawgon
Quoting Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And in this case LA was our turf, our event. it wasnt. never was. it is a commercial event involved with linux, and the organisers wanted to involve the community too. Unfortunately, they went about it the wrong way and the community did not respond very

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread lawgon
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi friends, Pls allow me to clarify. 1. We had informed most speakers in advance about Microsoft's presence, and sponsors too. At least all who had signed in after the deal. which Indian speakers did you inform? 2. We never intended to hide the fact. why

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Naresh Narang
Hi there, 1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the event? 2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux infrastructure in house to work on and do research. They are taking on things that work in Linux and make changes to their own products. 3. By similar argument, why

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Raj Mathur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 February 2007 00:30, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom to fork is good but not the decision to do so on the

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread lawgon
Quoting Naresh Narang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, 1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the event? who is scared? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at:

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Parthan
Naresh Narang wrote: Hi there, 1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the event? s/Scared/Pissed Off ;) 2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux infrastructure in house to work on and do research. They are taking on things that work in Linux and make changes to

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anupam Jain wrote: Asia' ? what products that MS exhibited there has relation to Linux. Their OS, probably? It is a competition to Gnu/linux, no? and that is relationship enough, no? They are the first and biggest ones again Linux and what they are doing

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second--since LA 04, we've been wanting Microsoft to participate in LinuxAsia. In fact, it did present a couple of talks in the first Ah. The decision was made way back, 2 years ago. a) Microsoft, due to its recent Novell deal, has entered the Linux

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Interestingly, I CANNOT find any news item on the ET website with the title MS takes linux world by storm...can you? I have been reading this thread and as of right now - why don't we just let it go ? Much as we try

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 10:28 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: Let's leave the hoary discussion aside and move on as to how and what to do in future event where this is going to happen again and again. this discussion is not about convincing LA or about condemning them. It helps us clarify

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Naresh Narang
--- Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah. They are not against _linux_ but against GPL. Agsint freedom; against freesoftware. It is is Linux's fault if it is gpl'ed and Free a.k.a swatantra. GOT IT? Inviting flames No, I didn't get it. Example, I couldn't find any

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Janani Gopalakrishnan
Hi all! First off, let me tell you that I had and have no intention of jumping into this debate, though I've been quietly watching it since the thread started. Second, let me tell you that I'm pro-OSS but not anti-Microsoft and that's not abnormal... many won't admit it if you do a +1 voting

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 (Pls read the complete news clipping)

2007-02-07 Thread vivek khurana
--- Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul, in what way was my selective editing misrepresentative of my point? I copy pasted the relevant content from ET's epaper edition. In any case, would I be so stupid to misquote from an easily verifiable source - that too a very

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Raj Mathur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 February 2007 10:57, Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote: [snip] Isn't open source about being 'open', isn't it about a free market, isn't is about giving everybody a chance, isn't it about higher talent and ideals winning over lower ones,

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 10:57 AM, Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote: Hi all! First off, let me tell you that I had and have no intention of jumping into this debate, unfortunately you *have* jumped in though I've been quietly watching it since the thread started. Second, let me tell you that I'm

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 08-Feb-07, at 11:41 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: I think the questions being asked here (I could be wrong, of course) i think you are wrong are (a) What is Linux-Asia's focus and to publicise LFY and sister publications and make money (b) Does MS' presence at LA contribute to that focus or

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Janani Gopalakrishnan
it isnt - it is a philosophy on how to make software. I know it's off-topic, but since you say this... what a narrow view, Kenneth, it's a pity you think of free and open source as a philosophy applying only to software. Check out creativedot for example! A real philosophy, in my view, breaks

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread Anant Narayanan
(b) Does MS' presence at LA contribute to that focus or detract from it contributes +1. By actually spending a lot of money on LinuxAsia, Microsoft has publicly acknowledged that fact that F/OSS is a force to be contend with. This wasn't the case sometime back; and therefore, this is a

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-07 Thread satyaakam goswami
Inviting flames No, I didn't get it. Example, I couldn't find any good video drivers for ATI Radeon 7000 card for Fedora 4. Are going to write them for me for free? And yes, please make sure that quality of driver is good. Don't forget to write document and installation notes. g,dr

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread rahul
Dear Members of the Community I regret the delay in posting our 'side of the story' w.r.t. Microsoft at LinuxAsia 07. Here's our attempt... First--about four years back, when we had just about launched LINUX For You, I had the opportunity to attend a Bill Gates press conference. I even got a

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread Tanveer Singh
On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Members of the Community I regret the delay in posting our 'side of the story' w.r.t. Microsoft at LinuxAsia 07. Here's our attempt... snip snip snip The event needed money and they were paying lots. Call a spade a spade. If

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
Rahul, As someone who had no stake in LA for the last few years I guess my opinion on this is moot, but I wanted to ask: On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:27 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] accelerate the adoption of Linux/OSS amongst customers, and customers like to hear the stories of both

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread rahul
Wishes! Rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sirtaj Singh Kang Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:58 PM To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 Rahul, As someone who had no stake in LA

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread Parthan
When we bagged the Microsoft deal--we knew that it was a strong acknowledgement of this fact especially w.r.t. India. Hence, we've always interpreted Microsoft's sponsorship as a strong acknowledgement of Linux/OSS. How does it gets proved they have acknowledged Linux/OSS for sponsoring for

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread S. K. Goel
Fourth--so can a Linux/OSS-competitor be allowed to rule the agenda? No. We worked hard, behind the scenes, with microsoft, to ensure that none of their messages chided the Linux/OSS philosophy. Where-ever, we felt that there were chances of a debate, we prepared our teams and some members of

Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007

2007-02-06 Thread Mukund Deshmukh
Dear Members of the Community I regret the delay in posting our 'side of the story' w.r.t. Microsoft at LinuxAsia 07. Here's our attempt... Very well said. Event like this do need money and no harm in accepting money from any one including Drug Mafia. Linux community is strong minded

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