i have just picked one issue:
Which one issue please restate it for my benefit.
let's just focus on this, see it from start to finish,
I wish you said that earlier.
Tarun Dua
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dear tarun,
thanks for your response.
On Saturday 15 March 2003 11:41 am, you wrote:
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 21:10, Raj Mathur wrote:
From my perspective Use the situation to the advantage of FLOSS.
Reality check is important. Lets not loose sight of what is achievable.
'loose' means
dear tarun,
thank you for your growing interest and involved thinking into the
discussion. you mention:
Lets pick and choose the 10 highest priority issues that concern the
government policy wrt Software/IT, find creative solutions for each one
of them after considering viable alternatives.
LinuxLingam wrote:
dear sanjeev,
thanks again, for your insights and responses.
so your responses confirm what i had been thinking: taxation in
absolute terms is supposed to be on the principals you
mentioned, but the overall reality forces of democracy,
uruguay, gatt, WTO, bring in a
LinuxLingam wrote:
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 06:58 am, you wrote:
LinuxLingam wrote:
why is software not yet taxed for excise?
Sorry, my last reply talked about *customs* on Software.
Software is not taxed for excise because of a very simple
reason. Software is a service, not a product.
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 12:23, Richard Stallman wrote:
What good are the proposals which won't survive a no-holds-barred discussion.
If no-holds-barred discussion means assuming an unlikely worst case,
that is not a fair test of any proposal.
These are usual responses that such a proposal
However lets defeatist approach and look at the issue on its merits
s/defeatist/ignore defeatist
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dear sanjeev,
thanks again, for your insights and responses.
so your responses confirm what i had been thinking: taxation in absolute
terms is supposed to be on the principals you mentioned, but the overall
reality forces of democracy, uruguay, gatt, WTO, bring in a
'reality-distortion field'
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 06:58 am, you wrote:
LinuxLingam wrote:
why is software not yet taxed for excise?
Sorry, my last reply talked about *customs* on Software.
Software is not taxed for excise because of a very simple reason. Software
is a service, not a product. Only products that
In general, your comments exaggerate both the likelihood of hostile
responses and the effect they would have if they happen. That
approach is defeatism. Any proposal looks bad when judged in such an
unfriendly spirit. The point is that we should not judge them that
way.
What good are the
hi tarun.
thanks for your response again, to the open letter.
Right on the point.
1) Stick to taxation on OEM bundled software alone and not on all FLOSS +
COTS software.
why not all software? much simpler to implement. soon people will start
bundling software in bundles, much like
hi sanjeev/ghane/gupta.
thanks for your response. (what's your name, btw?).
your response is quite insightful and made me learn and look from a new angle.
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:15 am, you wrote:
Excise, Duties, and other taxation should be an instrument of fiscal
policy, and should not
LinuxLingam wrote:
thanks for your response. (what's your name, btw?).
Sanjeev Gupta, although the nickname ghane stuck many years back in
college.
your response is quite insightful and made me learn and look
from a new angle.
Thank you. I hang around with economists, bankers, and people
Isn't that self-evident? If you have (say) an 8% excise on bundled
software, then the person who downloads Linux and OpenOffice and
bundles them into a computer doesn't pay any excise. After all, the
tax/excise would be on the price of the software, and if the price is
0, so is the
On Friday 07 March 2003 08:43 pm, you wrote:
On Friday 07 March 2003 03:52 pm, LinuxLingam wrote:
14) finally, as a statement of leadership and values, india must
adopt freedom-based software that is being proposed to the UNICEF to
be declared as a world-culture heritage.
Cite?
okay,
On Saturday 08 March 2003 02:19 am, you wrote:
Just one question:
Shouldn't we be talking/targeting about 'proprietorial'
software, instead of 'commercial' software?
read responses to emails from tarun dua and tripta, on ilug-d.
in brief: all commercial software, sold for a
By the way, anybody noticed more than linux-delhi or whoever,
it is really microsoft and all the non-free software companies that must push
the indian government to tax sale of software in india.
because suddenly, the government will see a nice source of huge inflow of
cash, and therefore, a
first of all, an excellent response from tarun dua on the draft.
--Thanks LL
IMHO FLOSS is beyond any mess that any bureaucrat, government, or
corporate can make.
That is dangerous thinking!!! Look what a mess GOI bureaucrats made with
regard to Internet.
All this coz' of just a few high
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Tarun == Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
first of all, an excellent response from tarun dua on the
draft.
Tarun --Thanks LL
IMHO FLOSS is beyond any mess that any bureaucrat, government,
or corporate can make.
Tarun
The proposal actually has two facets: Excise or tax as a disincentive
for deploying and/or bundling proprietary commodity off-the-shelf
software (COTS) and as a way of generating revenue for promoting
FLOSS.
How does one implement Excise/tax on COTS without hurting FLOSS ?
If both these do
Tarun == Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The proposal actually has two facets: Excise or tax as a
disincentive for deploying and/or bundling proprietary
commodity off-the-shelf software (COTS) and as a way of
generating revenue for promoting FLOSS.
Tarun How does one
[first draft: please submit your suggestions, changes. once a final draft is
ready, will post it so those interested may sign or contribute their name to
it. will then forward this to the indian finance minister and others in the
government.]
[cross-posted,
and further cross-post, especially
An Opinion :-
One battle at a time -- Concentrate on OEM bundled software only.
Govt. of India is the most inefficient user of money doesn't make sense
to give them another source to waste good money over bad money.
The tax concessions on Commercial Software will hurt free software
sellers as
I completely agree with the sentiment of the draft and at some levels agree
with it as well but before doing that we have to look at the IT industry and
it's complexities.
What the IT industry in India is suffering not only from the drain caused by
sale of `Commercial Software' but the fact
On Friday 07 March 2003 03:52 pm, LinuxLingam wrote:
14) finally, as a statement of leadership and values, india must
adopt freedom-based software that is being proposed to the UNICEF to
be declared as a world-culture heritage.
Cite?
--
Sanjeev Gupta
On Friday 07 March 2003 07:21 pm, you wrote:
An Opinion :-
first of all, an excellent response from tarun dua on the draft.
looking forward to more intense discussions on this topic by others in
linux-delhi. eager to see to what this churning leads.
short and quick responses to tarun's
Great effort. Needs to be lauded and supported.
Comments/additions inline.
However, lets keep two issues of taxation and FLOSS separate. It may
confuse the issue and may be too much for the babus to comprehend.
I did get a reply for my mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on issuing
various
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