Re: [Int-area] Procedure for obtaining Ethertypes

2022-11-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Since, in a sense, this is targetted at me to be the lab rat for this, I will read all this over carefully to see what mess I am getting myself into,   :) Bob On 11/10/22 07:45, Bob Hinden wrote: Don, Adding a procedure describing how to obtain an Ethertype for IETF work seems reasonable

Re: [Int-area] [Liaison-coordination] Procedure for obtaining Ethertypes

2022-11-10 Thread BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
Hi, Yes, Eric has retired - really retired We always hope to see a good friend/colleague once again, possibly with a different hat. IAB's Liaison Coordinators (Wes, Tommy, me) have been in discussions with Russ (IEEE Liaison) on having an IEEE802.1 replacement. As we all know, it is an

[Int-area] IETF 115 IntArea minutes

2022-11-10 Thread Juan Carlos Zuniga (juzuniga)
Hi all, Thanks a lot to Luigi Ioannone for helping with the notes! The minutes are now posted. Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-115-intarea/ Best, Juan-Carlos & Wassim (IntArea WG chairs)

[Int-area] Procedure for obtaining Ethertypes

2022-11-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
During the INTAREA WG meeting yesterday, there was a desire expressed to include in the rfc7042bis draft an explicit process, from the IETF side, for applying to the IEEE Registration Authority for an Ethertype assignment. This seems pretty reasonable. The rfc7042bis draft does include the IESG

Re: [Int-area] Procedure for obtaining Ethertypes

2022-11-10 Thread Bob Hinden
Don, Adding a procedure describing how to obtain an Ethertype for IETF work seems reasonable to me as well. Bob > On Nov 10, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > During the INTAREA WG meeting yesterday, there was a desire expressed > to include in the rfc7042bis draft an explicit

Re: [Int-area] Rebooting Addressing Discussion

2022-11-10 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Got dinner plans.  :( Only one kosher restaraunt in the area. On 11/10/22 03:17, Luigi IANNONE wrote: Hi All, Hope you are having a great IETF week. Just a small reminder for those that are interested in talking about addressing, let’s meet 18h30 this evening @ registration desk. Ciao

Re: [Int-area] Procedure for obtaining Ethertypes

2022-11-10 Thread Wassim Haddad
+1 (co-chair hat off) Thanks, Wassim H. On 11/10/22, 12:45 PM, "Int-area" wrote: Don, Adding a procedure describing how to obtain an Ethertype for IETF work seems reasonable to me as well. Bob > On Nov 10, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > During the INTAREA WG meeting

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin-intarea-parcels

2022-11-10 Thread Tom Herbert
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 8:34 AM Templin (US), Fred L wrote: > > Tom, IP parcels have a very significant difference from the GSO/GRO and > others you mentioned > in that IP parcels allow a *single* packet to contain *multiple* upper layer > protocol segments; > in all of the other schemes you

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin-intarea-parcels

2022-11-10 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Hi Haoyu - I appreciate your qualifying your message as coming from a researcher's perspective, but the IETF is about engineering and IP parcels is about engineering. It is here and now and ready to go - it is not to be put on some research back-burner that maybe we come back to 20 years from

Re: [Int-area] Next steps for draft-ietf-intarea-schc-ip-protocol-number-00

2022-11-10 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Eric, OMNI already has UDP port number but it also needs 1) an IP protocol number, 2) an IEEE Ethernet EtherType and 3) an IPv6 ND option number. These are the same things SCHC is asking for (minus the IPv6 ND), and to hear Bob describe it sounds like for the same or very similar reasons. Which

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin-intarea-parcels

2022-11-10 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Tom, IP parcels have a very significant difference from the GSO/GRO and others you mentioned in that IP parcels allow a *single* packet to contain *multiple* upper layer protocol segments; in all of the other schemes you cited, it is always a single ULP segment per packet. This alone

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: About draft-templin-intarea-parcels

2022-11-10 Thread Haoyu Song
As a researcher, I'd like to provide a suggestion. Given its potentially profound impact to the Internet, I think the blind peer reviews for its design and evaluation are needed in some top tier research conferences such as SIGCOMM. If it is accepted by the research community, it'll also help

Re: [Int-area] eBPF standardization side meeting

2022-11-10 Thread Carsten Bormann
The discussion in the Web meeting when the room dropped out seemed to agree that it would be good to have an IETF mailing list for continuing this discussion. This should be easy to arrange. Grüße, Carsten Sharon Z דלתא To Everyone 6:59:42 PM can you start an ebpf-ietf mailing list in

Re: [Int-area] About draft-templin-intarea-parcels

2022-11-10 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Tom, let me say another word about "research" continuing on from the previous post. Large packet research really began in the 1980's with FDDI, which is where we got the artificial 9KB limit we are experiencing with modern Ethernet. The FDDI research proved that ~9KB was the safety limit above

Re: [Int-area] Rebooting Addressing Discussion

2022-11-10 Thread Luigi IANNONE
Hi All, Hope you are having a great IETF week. Just a small reminder for those that are interested in talking about addressing, let’s meet 18h30 this evening @ registration desk. Ciao L. From: Luigi IANNONE Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2022 16:24 To: 'Luigi Iannone' ; int-area Subject: RE: