Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, +1 On 15/8/19 20:45, Ron Bonica wrote: > Joe, > > I am fine with this text if everybody else is. > > Ron > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Touch > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:21 AM > To: Ron

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Bob Hinden
Joel, > On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: > > Bob was going to engage Alissa in a conversation. Bob, have you gotten > anywhere? I think she may be on vacation. I sent Alissa some proposed text, but got back what I interpreted as a vacation email. I note there is an IESG

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Joe Touch
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Ron Bonica wrote: > > Joe, > > All things are fragile. That's one of life's realities. > > But some things are more fragile than others. Sure, but what is the measure of “more”, esp. vs how many other features are fragile and break *all* communication?

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Joe, All things are fragile. That's one of life's realities. But some things are more fragile than others. Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original Message- From: Joe Touch Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:21 AM To: Ron

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Joe Touch
Well, there’s the tautology that “it worked when it worked”. Given that’s basically the rule that defines *everything* in the Internet, it’s baffling we need to say it again here, but if we did, we could simply state: “The Internet is a best-effort system and lacks a formal validation or

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Joel Halpern
Bob was going to engage Alissa in a conversation. Bob, have you gotten anywhere? I think she may be on vacation. Yours, Joel -Original Message- From: Ron Bonica Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:59 AM To: Brian E Carpenter ; Alissa Cooper ; Tom Herbert Cc: Joel Halpern ;

Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-08-15 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, Has anyone proposed text that: a) satisfies Alissa's request b) satisfies the WG If not, do we believe that such text could possibly exist? Ron Juniper Business Use Only -Original