Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Hi John Norman sold his motors to Al Franceour in Canada, once the family of Edwin Gray started to hassle him. ALF has rewound and rebuilt the motors a bit, but as far as I know he has not got them running at high voltage with the GRAY tube. Look in files section of EVGRAY yahoo groups, and there a lots of pictures of those motors taken apart as ALF was redoing them. Norman also has done without-a-doubt overunity tests of Hector Pere's AC motor conversion the "rotovertor" where you take a 5000W AC 3ph AC motor, and make it run on 20 or so watts at idle (I have done it too - its easy) and Norman spun a DC servo motor with the "RV" (DC motor is PMI brand - low lenz design) and got it to put out way more WATTS than being inputted to it, Norman has also made very-overunity tests and prototypes of the "MRA" (magnetic resonant amplifier) which was confirmed by lots of scientists too about 8 years ago. ciaoK From: "John W. Williams II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: interact@listserv.capital-master.com To: "Interact" Subject: Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:51:49 -0700 Hi all, I purchased the 2001 TeslaTech video of Norman Wootan talking about the history of the EV Gray motors. I was wondering if anyone on this list (like Jerry Decker) might know what ever happened to Mr. Wootan's project? I created a wiki entry for him over at PESWiki.com. Just curious what fate befell his project to set up a machine shop and tinker with those motors, as we're now in 2006 and have never heard a word more from him? I'm just getting into the Free Energy field, and happy to see all the great web resources people have put up to share info. On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Jerry Decker - KN wrote: Hola Folks! Looks like Dan got the list working right again...it wasn't sending to the archive and then not even to the list, but all better now...thanks Dan! I suspect most everyone knows about the claims of this Irish group Steorn, that they have a rotating magnetic device which I believe they estimate at 218% efficient? In the keelynet.com news I had tracked the patent and included a diagram with their description of how their shielding method worked. There are NUMEROUS patents for shielding methods and one of the most famous is Ecklin. http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/ And there is also Jack Hilden-Brands invention of a method of switching off any natural magnetic field, either mechanically or electronically with very little power. He kindly send me both the mechanical and electronic prototypes which I tested and was totally amazed with. He has gone MUCH FURTHER and has a motor he estimates is 600% efficient and thats just an early prototype as he thinks his new one will be far more efficient. See; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm What is interesting...Jack showed his technology at a product fair, has a patent app well before Steorn and has been working on his for years now. So I wonder if Steorn saw or stumbled on his information and made a crude model which they have run to patent. Plus the comments on some websites about how they were essentially an information company in an earlier incarnation and had converted to a security products company, now put an advert in the Economist, not Sci-AM or any physics or electronics media...as the Economist is read by finance type people, not scientists. Peculiar approach. Plus the 10% of scientists who they claim have verified the claim won't come forth with their names or to back it up. This is one comment about it from a weblog; "The more I think about this I am of two minds: 1. These guys really do think they've succeeded in breaking the laws of thermodynamics. 2. Recall that Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas. If so, it's a pretty brilliant strategy." - I KNOW it is possible to redirect magnetic flux (you can't actually shield it, but you can cancel or redirect it) as I've seen it in Jacks devices, so perhaps they do have something. Jack has switched off the field of a magnet holding 400 pounds of weight, but using only some 8 Watts of power...and in one configuration, it was 80 pounds of lift switched off with just .6 Watts...yes, you read that right600mW!!! So you can imagine how a motor could be designed that was like the EV Gray motor but using natural magnets being switched on and off to produce rotation and torque. And apply that to generators!!!
Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Hey Konehead! Glad to see you're still alive and kickin'! Would you consider sharing what you know about getting the "Rotoverter" to work? I've looked into it but what I uncovered was a morass. It would be really nice to get the facts from someone with direct experience who is available for comment. Best, Dave Narby Douglas L. Konzen wrote: Hi John Norman sold his motors to Al Franceour in Canada, once the family of Edwin Gray started to hassle him. ALF has rewound and rebuilt the motors a bit, but as far as I know he has not got them running at high voltage with the GRAY tube. Look in files section of EVGRAY yahoo groups, and there a lots of pictures of those motors taken apart as ALF was redoing them. Norman also has done without-a-doubt overunity tests of Hector Pere's AC motor conversion the "rotovertor" where you take a 5000W AC 3ph AC motor, and make it run on 20 or so watts at idle (I have done it too - its easy) and Norman spun a DC servo motor with the "RV" (DC motor is PMI brand - low lenz design) and got it to put out way more WATTS than being inputted to it, Norman has also made very-overunity tests and prototypes of the "MRA" (magnetic resonant amplifier) which was confirmed by lots of scientists too about 8 years ago. ciaoK From: "John W. Williams II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: interact@listserv.capital-master.com To: "Interact" Subject: Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:51:49 -0700 Hi all, I purchased the 2001 TeslaTech video of Norman Wootan talking about the history of the EV Gray motors. I was wondering if anyone on this list (like Jerry Decker) might know what ever happened to Mr. Wootan's project? I created a wiki entry for him over at PESWiki.com. Just curious what fate befell his project to set up a machine shop and tinker with those motors, as we're now in 2006 and have never heard a word more from him? I'm just getting into the Free Energy field, and happy to see all the great web resources people have put up to share info. On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Jerry Decker - KN wrote: Hola Folks! Looks like Dan got the list working right again...it wasn't sending to the archive and then not even to the list, but all better now...thanks Dan! I suspect most everyone knows about the claims of this Irish group Steorn, that they have a rotating magnetic device which I believe they estimate at 218% efficient? In the keelynet.com news I had tracked the patent and included a diagram with their description of how their shielding method worked. There are NUMEROUS patents for shielding methods and one of the most famous is Ecklin. http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/ And there is also Jack Hilden-Brands invention of a method of switching off any natural magnetic field, either mechanically or electronically with very little power. He kindly send me both the mechanical and electronic prototypes which I tested and was totally amazed with. He has gone MUCH FURTHER and has a motor he estimates is 600% efficient and thats just an early prototype as he thinks his new one will be far more efficient. See; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm What is interesting...Jack showed his technology at a product fair, has a patent app well before Steorn and has been working on his for years now. So I wonder if Steorn saw or stumbled on his information and made a crude model which they have run to patent. Plus the comments on some websites about how they were essentially an information company in an earlier incarnation and had converted to a security products company, now put an advert in the Economist, not Sci-AM or any physics or electronics media...as the Economist is read by finance type people, not scientists. Peculiar approach. Plus the 10% of scientists who they claim have verified the claim won't come forth with their names or to back it up. This is one comment about it from a weblog; "The more I think about this I am of two minds: 1. These guys really do think they've succeeded in breaking the laws of thermodynamics. 2. Recall that Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas. If so, it's a pretty brilliant strategy." - I KNOW it is possible to redirect magnetic flux (you can't actually shield it, but you can cancel or redirect it) as I've seen it in Jacks devices, so perhaps they do have something. Jack has switched off the field of a magnet holding 400 pound
Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Pretty sure the CIK (Canuck In Question) is Al Francouer. Jerry Decker - KN wrote: Hola John et al! Norman is still around, busy as always and living on his ranch in Waco. As I understood it at the time, the people who actually owned the 2 EV Gray motors shown at the conference sold them to someone I think in Canada. The problem I think was the power tube, but you'd have to ask Norm about all the details. Perhaps he'll provide us with all the details and current status of the motors. There appears to be a company in Australia who has a very similar technology which was reported in KeelyNet news last year I think. I did a search and found the three brief article from the archived July 2005 files; 07/30/05 - Another report on the Welsh engine (Thanks for the URL Nick! - JWD) IMP has been working on the development and optimisation of a high torque, low speed silent electric motor which was launched to great acclaim in Hanover in April this year. IP Wales has given IMP help with taking out a patent for a new design of a 5-stage high torque electric motor. The motor has no brushes, making it ideal for use in the petrochemical industry and other sectors where sparks present a hazard - meaning it has a huge functional advantage over competitors products. The motor design offers several other important features, which include full torque from 0 rpm, and no gearbox is required. The motor also has 100 per cent speed control with the motor only taking power as and when required. IP Wales has given IMP help with taking out a patent for a new design of a 5-stage high torque electric motor. This will be extended to cover not only the UK but also mainland Europe, USA and Hong Kong. 07/29/05 - Revolutionary new Welsh Electric Motor Imagine an electric car that produces hardly any noise, no air pollution, and is as fast as a Ferrari. As well as high performance vehicles, there are plans for a battery-powered family car with a range of hundreds of miles. The motor is revolutionary in that it contains no bulky permanent magnets. Instead it relies on transmitting electric pulses across up to seven rotors, arranged in different phases. These are "fired up" in turn, much like the pistons of an internal combustion engine. There are no gears - the motor provides enough torque at one revolution per minute to put a vehicle into motion - and it spins at up to 2,500rpm. "Size for size, we can provide 400% more torque than any type of motor currently available," says managing director John Bryant. At present, providing enough battery life is a problem. But battery technology is improving all the time, and Mr Bryant does not see it as a major obstacle. 07/29/05 - Is this Welsh motor the 'new' EV Gray motor? The control unit, acting in a manner similar to that of a distributor in an internal combustion engine, regulates the spikes, determines their polarity (whether they be north or south) and directs their power to selected electro-magnets in the main unit. While this occurs, the recycle/regeneration system is recharging the batteries with 60 to 120-amp pulses. The electro-magnets are located on both the rotor and stator of the large motor. Attraction and repulsion between the two sets of magnets causes the motor to operate and generate horsepower. Note: EV Gray used 3 phase, the Welsh motor is using 7 phase. All the EV Gray information with many other related items has been compiled into George Moonhies eBook called "High Voltage and Free Energy Devices" which can be downloaded for $15 at; http://www.vanguardsciences.biz I think its a rather good book because it gives a lot of experimental details and insights for those working in this field. There was a note at ZPEpower that Peter Lindemann is about to come out with his 2nd videotape, though I don't think they've been able to duplicate any of the work he first announced at the conference. Specifically a working power tube based on Teslas unidirectional current experiments. John W. Williams II wrote: Hi all, I purchased the 2001 TeslaTech video of Norman Wootan talking about the history of the EV Gray motors. I was wondering if anyone on this list (like Jerry Decker) might know what ever happened to Mr. Wootan's project? I created a wiki entry for him over at PESWiki.com. Just curious what fate befell his project to set up a machine shop and tinker with those motors, as we're now in 2006 and have never heard a word more from him? I'm just getting into the Free Energy field, and happy to see all the great web resources people have put up to share info.
Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Hola John et al! Norman is still around, busy as always and living on his ranch in Waco. As I understood it at the time, the people who actually owned the 2 EV Gray motors shown at the conference sold them to someone I think in Canada. The problem I think was the power tube, but you'd have to ask Norm about all the details. Perhaps he'll provide us with all the details and current status of the motors. There appears to be a company in Australia who has a very similar technology which was reported in KeelyNet news last year I think. I did a search and found the three brief article from the archived July 2005 files; 07/30/05 - Another report on the Welsh engine (Thanks for the URL Nick! - JWD) IMP has been working on the development and optimisation of a high torque, low speed silent electric motor which was launched to great acclaim in Hanover in April this year. IP Wales has given IMP help with taking out a patent for a new design of a 5-stage high torque electric motor. The motor has no brushes, making it ideal for use in the petrochemical industry and other sectors where sparks present a hazard - meaning it has a huge functional advantage over competitors products. The motor design offers several other important features, which include full torque from 0 rpm, and no gearbox is required. The motor also has 100 per cent speed control with the motor only taking power as and when required. IP Wales has given IMP help with taking out a patent for a new design of a 5-stage high torque electric motor. This will be extended to cover not only the UK but also mainland Europe, USA and Hong Kong. 07/29/05 - Revolutionary new Welsh Electric Motor Imagine an electric car that produces hardly any noise, no air pollution, and is as fast as a Ferrari. As well as high performance vehicles, there are plans for a battery-powered family car with a range of hundreds of miles. The motor is revolutionary in that it contains no bulky permanent magnets. Instead it relies on transmitting electric pulses across up to seven rotors, arranged in different phases. These are "fired up" in turn, much like the pistons of an internal combustion engine. There are no gears - the motor provides enough torque at one revolution per minute to put a vehicle into motion - and it spins at up to 2,500rpm. "Size for size, we can provide 400% more torque than any type of motor currently available," says managing director John Bryant. At present, providing enough battery life is a problem. But battery technology is improving all the time, and Mr Bryant does not see it as a major obstacle. 07/29/05 - Is this Welsh motor the 'new' EV Gray motor? The control unit, acting in a manner similar to that of a distributor in an internal combustion engine, regulates the spikes, determines their polarity (whether they be north or south) and directs their power to selected electro-magnets in the main unit. While this occurs, the recycle/regeneration system is recharging the batteries with 60 to 120-amp pulses. The electro-magnets are located on both the rotor and stator of the large motor. Attraction and repulsion between the two sets of magnets causes the motor to operate and generate horsepower. Note: EV Gray used 3 phase, the Welsh motor is using 7 phase. All the EV Gray information with many other related items has been compiled into George Moonhies eBook called "High Voltage and Free Energy Devices" which can be downloaded for $15 at; http://www.vanguardsciences.biz I think its a rather good book because it gives a lot of experimental details and insights for those working in this field. There was a note at ZPEpower that Peter Lindemann is about to come out with his 2nd videotape, though I don't think they've been able to duplicate any of the work he first announced at the conference. Specifically a working power tube based on Teslas unidirectional current experiments. John W. Williams II wrote: Hi all, I purchased the 2001 TeslaTech video of Norman Wootan talking about the history of the EV Gray motors. I was wondering if anyone on this list (like Jerry Decker) might know what ever happened to Mr. Wootan's project? I created a wiki entry for him over at PESWiki.com. Just curious what fate befell his project to set up a machine shop and tinker with those motors, as we're now in 2006 and have never heard a word more from him? I'm just getting into the Free Energy field, and happy to see all the great web resources people have put up to share info. -- from Jerry Decker @ http://www.keelynet.com Order out of Chaos - From an Art to a Science Donations : http://www.keelynet.com/donate1.htm Books/Videos : http://www.keelynet.com/products.htm MexiStim Energy Stimulator http://www.keelynet.com/mexistim/nexcrock.htm Vanguard Sciences (eBooks and DVD
Re: [Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Hi all, I purchased the 2001 TeslaTech video of Norman Wootan talking about the history of the EV Gray motors. I was wondering if anyone on this list (like Jerry Decker) might know what ever happened to Mr. Wootan's project? I created a wiki entry for him over at PESWiki.com. Just curious what fate befell his project to set up a machine shop and tinker with those motors, as we're now in 2006 and have never heard a word more from him? I'm just getting into the Free Energy field, and happy to see all the great web resources people have put up to share info. On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Jerry Decker - KN wrote: Hola Folks! Looks like Dan got the list working right again...it wasn't sending to the archive and then not even to the list, but all better now...thanks Dan! I suspect most everyone knows about the claims of this Irish group Steorn, that they have a rotating magnetic device which I believe they estimate at 218% efficient? In the keelynet.com news I had tracked the patent and included a diagram with their description of how their shielding method worked. There are NUMEROUS patents for shielding methods and one of the most famous is Ecklin. http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/ And there is also Jack Hilden-Brands invention of a method of switching off any natural magnetic field, either mechanically or electronically with very little power. He kindly send me both the mechanical and electronic prototypes which I tested and was totally amazed with. He has gone MUCH FURTHER and has a motor he estimates is 600% efficient and thats just an early prototype as he thinks his new one will be far more efficient. See; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm What is interesting...Jack showed his technology at a product fair, has a patent app well before Steorn and has been working on his for years now. So I wonder if Steorn saw or stumbled on his information and made a crude model which they have run to patent. Plus the comments on some websites about how they were essentially an information company in an earlier incarnation and had converted to a security products company, now put an advert in the Economist, not Sci-AM or any physics or electronics media...as the Economist is read by finance type people, not scientists. Peculiar approach. Plus the 10% of scientists who they claim have verified the claim won't come forth with their names or to back it up. This is one comment about it from a weblog; "The more I think about this I am of two minds: 1. These guys really do think they've succeeded in breaking the laws of thermodynamics. 2. Recall that Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas. If so, it's a pretty brilliant strategy." - I KNOW it is possible to redirect magnetic flux (you can't actually shield it, but you can cancel or redirect it) as I've seen it in Jacks devices, so perhaps they do have something. Jack has switched off the field of a magnet holding 400 pounds of weight, but using only some 8 Watts of power...and in one configuration, it was 80 pounds of lift switched off with just .6 Watts...yes, you read that right600mW!!! So you can imagine how a motor could be designed that was like the EV Gray motor but using natural magnets being switched on and off to produce rotation and torque. And apply that to generators!!! I guess we'll see about Steorn...I think they might have something but wish they'd cut all the smoke and mysteryas it just confuses the issue. The patent application posted at; http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch- bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=dublin&s2=mccarthy&OS=dublin+ AND+mccarthy&RS=dublin+AND+mccarthy McCarthy; Shaun David - March 30, 2006 - #20060066428 - A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy. The magnetic actuator according to the invention generally includes a base suitable for the support of a plurality of magnets. An actuatable shield is positioned in relation to the plurality of magnets so that it effectively blocks the magnetic field when it is positioned over at least one of the magnets. The magnetic fields of the plurality of magnets interact in a manner that allows low energy actuation of the shield. - A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy. The magnetic actuator according to the invention generally includes a base suitable for the support of a plurality of magnets. An actuatable shield is
[Keelynet] Steorn claims vs Jack Hilden-Brands invention
Hola Folks! Looks like Dan got the list working right again...it wasn't sending to the archive and then not even to the list, but all better now...thanks Dan! I suspect most everyone knows about the claims of this Irish group Steorn, that they have a rotating magnetic device which I believe they estimate at 218% efficient? In the keelynet.com news I had tracked the patent and included a diagram with their description of how their shielding method worked. There are NUMEROUS patents for shielding methods and one of the most famous is Ecklin. http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/ And there is also Jack Hilden-Brands invention of a method of switching off any natural magnetic field, either mechanically or electronically with very little power. He kindly send me both the mechanical and electronic prototypes which I tested and was totally amazed with. He has gone MUCH FURTHER and has a motor he estimates is 600% efficient and thats just an early prototype as he thinks his new one will be far more efficient. See; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hildenbrand.htm What is interesting...Jack showed his technology at a product fair, has a patent app well before Steorn and has been working on his for years now. So I wonder if Steorn saw or stumbled on his information and made a crude model which they have run to patent. Plus the comments on some websites about how they were essentially an information company in an earlier incarnation and had converted to a security products company, now put an advert in the Economist, not Sci-AM or any physics or electronics media...as the Economist is read by finance type people, not scientists. Peculiar approach. Plus the 10% of scientists who they claim have verified the claim won't come forth with their names or to back it up. This is one comment about it from a weblog; "The more I think about this I am of two minds: 1. These guys really do think they've succeeded in breaking the laws of thermodynamics. 2. Recall that Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas. If so, it's a pretty brilliant strategy." - I KNOW it is possible to redirect magnetic flux (you can't actually shield it, but you can cancel or redirect it) as I've seen it in Jacks devices, so perhaps they do have something. Jack has switched off the field of a magnet holding 400 pounds of weight, but using only some 8 Watts of power...and in one configuration, it was 80 pounds of lift switched off with just .6 Watts...yes, you read that right600mW!!! So you can imagine how a motor could be designed that was like the EV Gray motor but using natural magnets being switched on and off to produce rotation and torque. And apply that to generators!!! I guess we'll see about Steorn...I think they might have something but wish they'd cut all the smoke and mysteryas it just confuses the issue. The patent application posted at; http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=dublin&s2=mccarthy&OS=dublin+AND+mccarthy&RS=dublin+AND+mccarthy McCarthy; Shaun David - March 30, 2006 - #20060066428 - A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy. The magnetic actuator according to the invention generally includes a base suitable for the support of a plurality of magnets. An actuatable shield is positioned in relation to the plurality of magnets so that it effectively blocks the magnetic field when it is positioned over at least one of the magnets. The magnetic fields of the plurality of magnets interact in a manner that allows low energy actuation of the shield. - A low energy magnet actuator allows magnetic fields to be turned on and off using a small amount of energy. The magnetic actuator according to the invention generally includes a base suitable for the support of a plurality of magnets. An actuatable shield is positioned in relation to the plurality of magnets so that it effectively blocks the magnetic field when it is positioned over at least one of the magnets. The magnetic fields of the plurality of magnets interact in a manner that allows low energy actuation of the shield. As you can see, it gives some information about the flux redirection technique, but to my eyes, it looks rather primitive when compared to Jack Hilden-Brands original version. In other words, it looks like a cheap copy... Since his application preceded theirs, no matter what they try to claim, he'll win the case. So let them have their day and I hope it does prove out with many replications of
