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of this trait must implement the matching interface" as opposed to "...
can implement the matching interface"?
It's possible there is some advantage I'm missing, but so far nobody
seems to have presented it.
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requires
- Policing: the trait can force me as a programmer to use it in a
certain way; this is the part I don't see the need for
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count as getPropertyCount;
}
public function count(): int {
return 0;
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It feels like this use case would work better with an annotation like
/** @can-implement Countable */ since it is really just documentation
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xplicitly talked about it being easier for the tools:
> It should also make it easier for SCA tools to understand the code
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the trait, which nullify any promises
the trait could make.
* other than "Stringable", whose purpose and implementation continue to baffle
me
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someone can present a fully working migration plan, this would get a "no" vote
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for the trait to work correctly, not because of some
perceived "correct" use of the trait. This doesn't seem to match your
reasoning for proposing the syntax, so maybe I'm missing something?
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and convert them all to strings, regardless of how they
were originally specified. The result being an array where the values can all
be safely passed to a function expecting strings, with strict_types=1 in force.
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>But "001" casted to 1 will then get casted back to "1" not "001".
"001" would not be cast to an integer in this context: https://3v4l.org/gGFHJ
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inconvenience.
[1] https://www.iana.org/assignments/http-fields/http-fields.xhtml
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3864#section-4.1
[3] https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/env.html#setting
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kept as 42
$intKeyedArray['42'] = true; // TypeError
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might be a good time to make this into an RFC. :)
I have a draft kicking around with a lot of analysis of current usage. I
will try to pick it back up after Christmas.
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difference is that right now, you can only overload operators
in an extension, not in userland code.
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t, but not float / Money.
I don't think this kind of type list would be unusual, but it may be a
compromise we have to live with given PHP's type system.
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ionally means "contains" in PostgreSQL) but it would be rather
awkward compared to "operator &>" or "#[Operator('&>')]".
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On 12/12/2021 18:29, Rowan Tommins wrote:
Perhaps we could use an Attribute to bind the operator to the method, which
would also reduce the impact on tools that need to parse class definitions:
class Collection{ #[Operator('+')]
public function union(Collection$other, OperandPosition
public function divideBy(Number $divisor) {}
#[Operator('/', OperandPosition::RightSide)]
publicfunction fractionOf(Number $dividend) {}
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On 09/12/2021 21:07, Rowan Tommins wrote:
For some reason, the CI build failed on that PR, but on unrelated
files, so I'm not sure if it's my fault or not.
Ah no, it was me. Build passing now.
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a breaking change in a minor version.
The only relevant discussion I've found is this, where Nikita is I think
hinting at the new behaviour: https://externals.io/message/114007#114026
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_often_ done, so compacting it to a neat function call seems useful.
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will fund, and
who will step up to the challenge of driving the language ever onwards.
Oh, and Happy Birthday! :)
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"ownership" than "here are places to pool resources if you want to
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something like "If you're still on PHP 7.x, upgrading gets you all this
as well!" with the headlines from the 8.0 page, and a link through.
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language say "OK, I've created your dynamic $loger property for you",
which is what currently happens.
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un-analysed code. Those code bases are exactly the ones that benefit
from the language having the run-time checks built in.
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than the One True Website is frankly insulting to the intelligence of
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ot sure what you mean by that. Do you mean, create the attribute,
but don't actually do anything with it? Would the plan be to deprecate
later? Never remove at all?
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On 15/11/2021 12:51, Andreas Heigl wrote:
PS: Am I the only one missing whether this is a 2/3 or a 50%+1 vote in
the RFC?
All votes require a 2/3 majority as of
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/abolish-narrow-margins
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users: they are not responsible for fixing them in advance, and when
actually switching major PHP version, they may have to switch to a
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ar_dump($x); //null / undefined
foreach ( $array as let &$x ) { // or " $x"?
$x++;
}
var_dump($x); //null / undefined, not a reference
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did at least test it worked. :)
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perties, even without the target
class's co-operation. However, I think WeakMap (with a helper and a
fallback like above) is probably a superior solution for that, because
adding properties outside the class always carries risk of name
collision, interaction with __get, etc
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many; so far though, nobody has managed to
get enough consensus behind any alternative, as with Larry's RFC that
you mentioned.
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ts has indeed changed
in PHP 8.0): https://externals.io/message/92239
* A brief thread about adding a more general interpolation syntax:
https://externals.io/message/111519
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I'm not saying I don't *like* these functions, I'm saying I genuinely
don't know what they do.
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remember that a lot of people reading this have never used Classic
ASP, so don't know what these functions do. Some are easy to guess, but others
less so, such as is_contraction(), is_givenName(), space(), and
str_case_normalize()
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sagree with that default, but presumably some people think it is a
sensible one.
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what a "resource", they just know the boilerplate to use.
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ses in this
thread with ridiculous hyperbole like "shooting ourselves in the face".
There is no perfect answer, and we should be able to have a rational
discussion about the pros and cons of different strategies.
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an "Iterator" suffix (leading to some quite awkward
names)
* Reflection classes all have a "Reflection" prefix
* Having both "Queue" and "SplQueue", or both "Stack" and "SplStack"
would be a terrible idea, and is a pretty strong argument *
may not be the best point of reference for
PHP, whose object system much more closely resembles Java or C#.
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tps://wiki.php.net/rfc/static_class_constructor
Although it didn't go to a vote, the proposal was dropped for lack of support.
There's some discussion summarised in that RFC, and you can probably find the
rest by searching for its title on https://externals.io
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tra properties after it's created,
you could opt into that using whatever mechanism a named class would
(parent class, trait, attribute, etc; see other thread).
Similarly, the objects created by json_decode or PDO_FETCH_OBJECT only
need the *initial* properties to be dynamic, not to allow pro
dClass" to work, and new code
will expect "instanceOf DynamicObject" to work, so an alias (in either
direction) seems the better compromise.
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from outer scope when you
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ing, or a database result
row. The values aren't all of the same type, and you would never want to
apply the same operation to all of them; you will probably initialise
them once, and then access them by name, but don't have the facility to
declare them up front.
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painful (including deprecation messages not being too annoying), it will
pay off in the long run.
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ave Derick to comment on the patch itself, since he's the primary
maintainer of both the library in question and the PHP extension that
embeds it.
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hey're how a
lot of PHP code is developed in practice - as modular libraries linked
by Composer - and I think we could optimise the language for that use
(e.g. applying more cross-file optimisations within a fully preloaded
package).
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fferent class
echo $this->b; // allowed: access is to a "delegatable"
property, in a "delegated" context
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no longer needed to support 8.1, "extends
DynamicObject" could be added. For many code bases, that will be long
before the feature is actually removed - for a private project, maybe as
soon as it's on 8.2 in production.
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an existing class isn't always possible, if it
already inherits from something else. Perhaps the behaviour could also
be available as a trait, which defined stub __get and __set methods,
allowing for the replacement of the internal implementation as you've
described?
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ble intersections, and it was a trivial change, then I'd
support it as a "quick win"; but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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ng to here?
Firstly, I'm guessing we're talking about return types here, since
parameters have had types since 5.0, and nullable types since 5.1 with
the "TypeName $foo = null" syntax?
Secondly, do you mean you postponed your adoption of the feature, or was
there some larger issue?
encodings, and only
needing to do a few operations on them. The main problem ext/mbstring
has is that it supports a lot of operations, on a lot of different
encodings, so it's still reusing a general purpose "convert and filter"
algorithm.
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where some of the
operators are only meaningful for a subset of operands. Saying that a
Money object is "Multipliable" would also be "a lie", since multiplying
two Money objects together is a logic error, even though multiplying
Money by a unit-less number is very useful.
is missing from this implementation.
Since even a single operator interface can't guarantee that all inputs
will have a valid output, I remain unconvinced that implementing 8
different interfaces for the above is any better than implementing one
interface and stubbing the parts that have n
ymbol, rather than giving them names
which only make sense in some contexts.
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On the other hand, if core provides a sane implementation of the parsing
into a generic "bag of key-value pairs" (which PHP calls an "array"),
that would provide a very useful building block for any userland library
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Having the function mirror http_build_query() as closely as possible
seems like a good idea, e.g. http_parse_query('foo_0=a;foo_1=b', 'foo_',
';') should return [0=>'a', 1=>'b'].
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ot familiar with the new enums, the best documentation at the
moment is probably the RFC which proposed them:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/enumerations
I'm really looking forward to using them :)
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s which can now be enums, and fix
constants which are badly named, there won't be enough uses left for
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ongly typed code saying "this
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retain the type information, and can keep our
values of 1 to 7 (or have no values at all) rather than having to use
powers of 2.
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It's a "compatibility behavior" only in the sense that it wasn't immediately
removed when the more flexible "?type" syntax was added in 7.1.
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ggested that the current implementation of intersection types
should be removed until this is resolved, and I can't think of any
reason why that would make sense.
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of
number of voters, like a parliament with two chambers.
Obviously, this still leaves the question of how to gain a vote in
either "chamber", but it avoids the difficulty of coming up with a
definition that applies fairly to these very different groups of people.
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errors, and I can't think of any way
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the argument is just a string: https://3v4l.org/bgNa2#v8.0.8
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drop it without further notice, but actually we
might not, so no hurry to remove it", which I just think isn't that helpful.
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if ( include('some_file.php') && bar() )
Is equivalent to this (will always run bar(), then attempt to include
either (string)true or (string)false):
if ( include ('some_file.php' && bar()) )
When what was intended was this:
if ( (include 'some_file.php') &&a
e can't provide that
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ternatives are, and why they're better
* Improve the documentation of those alternatives with examples of the
things that strftime() is commonly used for
* Improve those alternatives themselves so that they're as easy to use
as strftime()
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ng enough to get bored halfway through).
I think there is more cost than benefit.
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*more
verbose* way of writing single quotes.
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ausible. In
practice, though, a lot of functions don't take only one parameter, so
the previous pipe proposal included a placeholder for which argument you
wanted to "pipe into". At which point you don't need to special case
keywords, because you can just write this:
$start |> str_len
syntax (strings and two-element
arrays); you can tackle the complexity of unifying functions with
constants, and methods with properties (as Levi explained in the other
thread); or you can add a dedicated callable syntax, which the PFA
proposal gets us with bells on.
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