Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-15 Thread Peter Kokot
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 01:27, wrote: > > > The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. > > Issues, discussions etc can not. > > > > With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to > > advertising and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and owning

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey Folks. Am 05.03.24 um 00:11 schrieb dan...@daniil.it: The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. Issues, discussions etc can not. With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to advertising and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread daniil
> The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. > Issues, discussions etc can not. > > With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to advertising > and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and owning our own content > (including our issue tracker,

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread Derick Rethans
On 4 March 2024 22:26:37 GMT, dan...@daniil.it wrote: >> Has Microsoft made a commitment to support open source forever? I mean MS >> owns Github, what ensures that it will stay free? > >This is a silly argument, if that were the case, maybe the VCS should move >back to a self-hosted instance

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread daniil
> Has Microsoft made a commitment to support open source forever? I mean MS > owns Github, what ensures that it will stay free? This is a silly argument, if that were the case, maybe the VCS should move back to a self-hosted instance too? Jokes aside, if Microsoft suddenly decides to throw away

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread Lars Nielsen
On 04.03.2024 20.20, dan...@daniil.it wrote: >> Mailing lists are fine and PHP is not the only project using them. The >> Linux kernel successfully uses them, the HAProxy project does as well >> and so does Debian. >> >> Best regards >> Tim Düsterhus > > Hi, Internals > > There are times when

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-03-04 Thread daniil
>> Mailing lists are fine and PHP is not the only project using them. The >> Linux kernel successfully uses them, the HAProxy project does as well >> and so does Debian. >> >> Best regards >> Tim Düsterhus > > Hi, Internals > > There are times when I explore archives (mbstring and character code

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-27 Thread youkidearitai
2024年2月27日(火) 6:13 Tim Düsterhus : > > Hi > > On 2/26/24 10:56, Daniil Gentili wrote: > > even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a > > mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking > > And neither is GitHub Discussions. When I have the choice

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-27 Thread John Coggeshall
> VCS was already moved to github after the recent hack of the php VCS, a lot > of technical internals-related discussion is already using exclusively github > issues and pull request discussions, I believe that the mailing list is > nothing more than a redundant relic of the past. > As one of

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/26/24 14:25, Daniil Gentili wrote: And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is Agreed. non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing list isn't indexable either without

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 2/26/24 10:56, Daniil Gentili wrote: even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking And neither is GitHub Discussions. When I have the choice between GitHub Discussions and a mailing list, I'd

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Rob Landers
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 19:01, Rowan Tommins wrote: > On 26/02/2024 16:14, Rob Landers wrote: > > There wasn’t any mention about issues FROM Gmail TO the list. I sent > > this email because it didn’t seem like ANYONE was aware of the issue > > (otherwise someone would have mentioned it, so

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Gina P. Banyard
On Monday, 26 February 2024 at 11:53, Daniil Gentili wrote: > > IMO sending an email is not a gigantic barrier to entry, as can be seen by > the often low (technical and overall) quality of the replies to many of the > threads on this list. Yet people complain about it being a barrier to

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Rob Landers
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 12:03, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: > > Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should > > be able to email the list, even if they are not a > > member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 26.02.2024 um 14:25 schrieb Daniil Gentili : > I really don't think that a modern discussion system can afford to randomly > loose messages: mailing lists should not be used in 2024. Just because Gmail decided to tighten the rules about SPF/DKIM just now does not mean email is broken or

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Daniil Gentili
And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing list isn't indexable either without projects like externals.io). Writing to the amount of

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 26.02.2024 um 10:56 schrieb Daniil Gentili : >> gmail is failing to send emails to the list (hence why it has probably been >> a bit quite around here). Here is the error: > +1, personally I would just switch to github issues and discussions, even > ignoring all the deliverability issues, I

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Daniil Gentili
This has also come up in the past regarding moving from e-mail to $currently_fashionable_technology - having some barrier to entry is actually quite useful, since we want people to put some effort into their contributions beyond "me too" or "I had this crazy idea in the pub". IMO sending an

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Derick Rethans
On 26 February 2024 11:03:05 GMT, "Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]" wrote: >On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: >> Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should be >> able to email the list, even if they are not a >> member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]
On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: > Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should be > able to email the list, even if they are not a > member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu lists about bugs before and I > really have no desire to join those

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-26 Thread Daniil Gentili
gmail is failing to send emails to the list (hence why it has probably been a bit quite around here). Here is the error: +1, personally I would just switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a

[PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

2024-02-25 Thread Rob Landers
Hello internals, from an alternate email address that hopefully works... Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should be able to email the list, even if they are not a member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu lists about bugs before and I really have no desire

Re: [PHP-DEV] Is this thing on?

2016-06-10 Thread Rowan Collins
On 09/06/2016 14:08, Lester Caine wrote: Not seem any traffic for a couple of days? It was definitely down for a while - I eventually got a bounce for one message - but seems to be back up now. I'm guessing a few out-of-sequence messages will find their way in, but anything sent between

[PHP-DEV] Is this thing on?

2016-06-10 Thread Lester Caine
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