[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Ulf Wendel
Pierre Joye schrieb: Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What will they bring (saying expertise is not something I can buy)? I don't understand what is so hard to understand that it is a minimum to get

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Pierre Joye wrote: You (as group) We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. The general list of data access providers has been given before and isn't

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: OSS is a collaborative process that is not about some manager allocating some ressources here and there. People usually make personal commitments here and maybe this is the bigger culture clash than the CLA. Oracle contributes to a range of open source projects, big

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: You (as group) We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this list please speak up then? Could also one of the Oracle internals guys speak up on this list? That is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Chris, On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Christopher Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The code and strength of contributions and maintenance is the ultimate evidence of what can be trusted. Poor quality drivers, if they are distributed via a PECL-only distribution, will acquire their own

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: You (as group) We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this list please speak up then? Could also one of the Oracle internals guys

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 22:19, Christopher Jones wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 14.02.2008, at 22:07, Christopher Jones wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: You (as group) We are individuals, all members of the mail lists. Ok, could the Microsoft and IBM people on this list please speak up

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 23:06, Christopher Jones wrote: I think most multi-person plans that impact an existing OSS project have had some genesis in private discussions before being broadcast. For PDO V2, this discussion was just really slow and intermittent. Yeah, I am basically fine with this. I

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: However the point here is. There is a proposal on the table to change the php.net project to be able to bring in developers we do not know, for code they have not yet written, for specs they have not yet contributed. This is flipping our development process upside

[PHP-DEV] RE: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-14 Thread Andi Gutmans
-Original Message- From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:15 PM To: Christopher Jones Cc: Pierre Joye; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PHP Internals Subject: Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Chris, On Feb 14, 2008 3:30 AM, Christopher Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: Hi Chris, On Feb 14, 2008 2:48 AM, Christopher Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: The targets were these/this companies(y) pushing CLA in php.net when it is not

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Christopher Jones
Pierre Joye wrote: Hi Chris, On Feb 14, 2008 2:48 AM, Christopher Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre Joye wrote: The targets were these/this companies(y) pushing CLA in php.net when it is not necessary to contribute. It has been proven already since months on a nearly daily basis.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Steph Fox
Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What will they bring (saying expertise is not something I can buy)? I don't understand what is so hard to understand that it is a minimum to get before we can even

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-13 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 14.02.2008, at 04:04, Steph Fox wrote: Tell us the names of these entities, companies or persons, who are going to contribute and what are actually their requirements. What will they bring (saying expertise is not something I can buy)? I don't understand what is so hard to understand that

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PDO] Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] An Idea for PDO 2

2008-02-02 Thread Pierre Joye
On Feb 2, 2008 3:14 PM, Wez Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre, At no point have I or anyone else said that the future of PDO depends on a CLA. --Wez. No, you did not say it explicitally. However you said that many vendors, experts or leaders will not contribute or will not support PDO