On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:48:10 +0200, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:40 AM, marius adrian popa map...@gmail.com
wrote:
Something for the weekend (flamewar)
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/s6477/9223372036854775807_9223372036854775808/
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Galen Wright-Watson
ww.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to be clear, under the new behavior, calling empty or isset on
undefined variables and undefined array indices shouldn't produce a notice
when E_NOTICE is set, correct? Basically, the change isn't regressive.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM, John LeSueur john.lesu...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:51 PM, John LeSueur
Nicolas
$closure = function () use ($this-getFooBar() as $foo) {
$foo-stuff();
}
But this can already be written as :
$closure = function () {
$foo = $this-getFooBar();
$foo-stuff();
}
Except that's not equivilant. getFooBar() in the first example is
called exactly once,
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Please add all your questions here:
https://wiki.php.net/vcs/gitfaq-usecases
And let try to answer them one by one, for the best or recommended
way to do something.
Thank you. makes sense to put it into the wiki and discuss it :).
First of
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Pal Konyves paul.kony...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see the point of empty( function() ).
You tipically use empty on values that holds information you want to use
later in the program flow (a string, an integer). That means you'd better
extract it to a variable
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 15:00, Nikita Popov nikita@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Pal Konyves paul.kony...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see the point of empty( function() ).
You tipically use empty on values that holds information you want to use
later in the
On 2012-04-13, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/04/12 14:55, Stas Malyshev wrote:
If this is a pecl module library developers cannot use it and trust
that on php 5.n, it just works. That would fork the language in an
undesirable way. It should be a core feature, no ini flag,
On 2012-04-13, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM, John LeSueur john.lesu...@gmail.com wrote:
//a controller, maybe a class, maybe just a set of functions, but in a
.phpp file
function getLoginPage()
{
//set up some data
//some people like
Well, if you want to use empty in the above mentioned situations, you might
need the change. I personally don't like using empty(). I use it only on
arrays, that's because semantically fits: array is empty.
In other situations I prefer comparing against the according return type
because it
Hi!
I am not sure but it is too expensive only for memory. I don't think
that current scope will be very big and operation for copying it very
That depends on the scope, it can be very big - e.g. global scope. But
more important is not that it is big by itself, but that it retains
variables
Hi!
There are other situations where the result of the comparison may be
inaccurate -- in the sense that two strings may be constructed as
representing different numbers, but they compare equal.
* Comparing two different real numbers that map to the same double
precision number:
On 04/13/2012 09:09 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
However I think it would make sense not to use this conversion in string
comparisons when we know it's lossy - it seems to be outside of the use
case for such comparisons and it seems apparent by now that it is hard
for people to understand why it
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 16:22, Pal Konyves paul.kony...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, if you want to use empty in the above mentioned situations, you might
need the change. I personally don't like using empty(). I use it only on
arrays, that's because semantically fits: array is empty.
In other
Wouldn't this be a significant performance hit when multiplied by
every class file in a project?
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
On 2012-04-13, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/04/12 14:55, Stas Malyshev wrote:
If this is a
(I'm referring to the streams approach. You seem to be suggesting a
PECL extension with a fallback provision. It still sounds like
something no one will seriously use because they can't count on it
running fast on a given box, although it is a clever workaround.)
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM,
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/04/12 15:13, Kris Craig wrote:
Again, the controller should NOT be a .phpp file. Likewise, your model
should NOT be hooking directly to the view. The controller hooks to the
model. The controller then
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote:
Kris.
I can give you a real world example where that straight MVC with the. pphp
if not breaks, then definetly becomes an ugly mess.
I use Yii framework as my tool, it has some very nice tools for templating
like
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Luke Scott l...@cywh.com wrote:
I do agree with a lot of what was being said. But what can you do?
It would not be easy. I lack the skills required. And those who have
the skills lack the monumental time required. But PHP could do what
Adobe did with
On 2012-04-13, Nicolas Grekas nicolas.grekas+...@gmail.com wrote:
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$closure = function () use ($this-getFooBar() as $foo) {
$foo-stuff();
}
But this can already be written as :
$closure = function () {
Hi!
PHP's goal has always been KISS, but the decisions over the last few
years run contrary to that. Most onerous is, where Javascript, Java
and C have one scope resolution operator - a period - PHP has three
(-, \, :: ). The only possible backwards compat fix to that is to
This is not
On 04/13/2012 09:12 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
On 04/13/2012 09:09 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
However I think it would make sense not to use this conversion in string
comparisons when we know it's lossy - it seems to be outside of the use
case for such comparisons and it seems apparent by now that
On 04/13/2012 08:49 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
At now this is there should not alter of course. What really needed is
'named parameters'
That's entirely different topic.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namedparameters
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
On 2012-04-13, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM, John LeSueur john.lesu...@gmail.com
wrote:
//a controller, maybe a class, maybe just a set of functions, but in a
Hi!
Sadly when I proposed this many months ago my post was ignored. :-(
I've looked up your post
(http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=130348253124215w=2 if anybody's
interested) and unfortunately I think it did not have due attention
because it mixed two issues - converting comparison that ==
On 2012-04-13, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote:
Wouldn't this be a significant performance hit when multiplied by
every class file in a project?
Typically, you'd cache the end-result of pre-processing, so that
subsequent requests can use the processed results. In other words, you
incur the
On top of this, there's an argument that you're not addressing: most
template engines in PHP either directly consume PHP template files...
or compile templates into... PHP template files. As such, sooner or
later, you'll have a class that includes a PHP template file, and
that's
I always wondered why can't we do something like this in php
class MyClass{
private $storage = new ArrayObject();
public function __construct($v){
// whatever
}
// rest of class
}
Why can't we create a new object and assign it to property like this?
Then when a new instance of MyClass is
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 21:19, Dmitri Snytkine
dsnytk...@ultralogistics.com wrote:
I always wondered why can't we do something like this in php
class MyClass{
private $storage = new ArrayObject();
public function __construct($v){
// whatever
}
// rest of class
}
Why can't we
But why is it possible to assing a new array to a property like that but not a
new instance of some class?
Isn't a new array also requires some type of initialization?
Dmitri Snytkine
Web Developer
Ultra Logistics, Inc.
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 21:29, Dmitri Snytkine
dsnytk...@ultralogistics.com wrote:
But why is it possible to assing a new array to a property like that but not
a new instance of some class?
Isn't a new array also requires some type of initialization?
Only static values are allowed, which
Yes, the original used $this-getFooBar() -- but it could have been
$someOtherObject-getFooBar()
Yep, you and Anthony are right, my comment was stupid...
Then I have an other objection :)
I'm not comfortable with mixing declarative lines with expressions:
function (..) use (..) is always
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.comwrote:
On top of this, there's an argument that you're not addressing: most
template engines in PHP either directly consume PHP template files...
or compile templates into... PHP template files. As such, sooner or
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:09:24 +0200, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com
wrote:
There are other situations where the result of the comparison may be
inaccurate -- in the sense that two strings may be constructed as
representing different numbers, but they compare equal.
* Comparing two
On 2012-04-13, Nicolas Grekas nicolas.grekas+...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, the original used $this-getFooBar() -- but it could have been
$someOtherObject-getFooBar()
Yep, you and Anthony are right, my comment was stupid...
Then I have an other objection :)
I'm not comfortable with mixing
On 2012-04-13, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.com
wrote:
On top of this, there's an argument that you're not addressing: most
Hi!
Why can't we create a new object and assign it to property like this?
Because the engine doesn't run code when parsing class definitions so
defaults should be constants (otherwise would also create a lot of
trouble for bytecode caching as object are not cacheable).
Use ctor for complex
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
On 2012-04-13, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, John Crenshaw
http://www.esecurityplanet.com/open-source-security/study-warns-of-security-flaws-in-open-source-components.html
This is EXACTLY why the prevailing mindset about central repositories needs
to change! Keeping it at PHP 5.1 doesn't provide more stable and
reliable code. It just keeps it
Stas,
Because the engine doesn't run code when parsing class definitions so
defaults should be constants (otherwise would also create a lot of
trouble for bytecode caching as object are not cacheable).
Just throwing this out there, but that code wouldn't be run on parse.
It would be queued to
(Sorry if you receive this 5.3.11 related message two times)
Hi,
The second, and hopefully last, release candidate for 5.3.11 was
released for testing and can be downloaded here:
http://downloads.php.net/johannes/php-5.3.11RC2.tar.bz2
I too am on the fence, but lean more towards not liking it. Here's why:
I'm on the fence about use ((expression) as $foo) -- I fully like the
idea of aliasing closure variables, but still thinking on the expression
syntax. It would be _inconsistent_ with how it works with namespaces
(which
Hi,
2012/4/14 Matthew Weier O'Phinney weierophin...@php.net:
On 2012-04-13, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote:
Wouldn't this be a significant performance hit when multiplied by
every class file in a project?
Typically, you'd cache the end-result of pre-processing, so that
subsequent
Hi,
2012/4/14 Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net:
Hi,
2012/4/14 Matthew Weier O'Phinney weierophin...@php.net:
On 2012-04-13, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote:
Wouldn't this be a significant performance hit when multiplied by
every class file in a project?
Typically, you'd cache the
Hi!
What's proposed is really more closely related to the functionality of
global since you're taking a non-local variable and making it accessible.
It is like global but with important difference - global inserts the
variable into current scope, with all consequences (modification, etc.).
Hi!
Just throwing this out there, but that code wouldn't be run on parse.
It would be queued to run prior to the constructor on instantiation.
Why? You have perfectly good ctor, why not use it?
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Saw this mentioned on one of the blogs comments today.
http://nuclearsquid.com/writings/git-new-workdir/
It may be an easier to use for those working with multiple branches of
PHP, and enjoy the multiple directory for each branch approach.. (aka
old svn..)
Regards
Alan
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