Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Go Kudo
2023年5月29日(月) 15:05 Máté Kocsis : > Hi Everyone, > > Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the > usual > deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link > below: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3 > > Regards: > Máté Kocsis > Hi.

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Máté Kocsis
Hi Everyone, Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the usual deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link below: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3 Regards: Máté Kocsis

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Aleksander Machniak
On 29.05.2023 11:18, Máté Kocsis wrote: Hi Everyone, In the meanwhile, I changed my proposal to use [] instead of {} after the "with" clause due to its better receptance. In "Property name expressions" section's first code example I think you intended to do `clone $self` (not `clone $this`)

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Deprecate functions with overloaded signatures

2023-05-29 Thread Claude Pache
> Le 27 avr. 2023 à 23:28, Máté Kocsis a écrit : > > Hi Internals, > > As you have possibly already experienced, overloaded signatures cause > various smaller and bigger issues, while the concept is not natively > supported by PHP. That's why I drafted an RFC which intends to phase out > the

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Discussion]: Marking overridden methods (#[\Override])

2023-05-29 Thread Claude Pache
> Le 11 mai 2023 à 18:37, Tim Düsterhus a écrit : > > Hi > > I'm now opening discussion for the RFC "Marking overridden methods > (#[\Override])": > > > > RFC: Marking overridden methods (#[\Override]) > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/marking_overriden_methods > Hi Tim, One weakness of

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Discussion]: Marking overridden methods (#[\Override])

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 5/27/23 23:10, Rowan Tommins wrote: So the argument is that the key estimate for whether to include it in the engine is how many users will add the attribute, but not run a static analysis tool. If that number is very low, adding it to the engine has a very low value. As mentioned in

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 5/29/23 08:44, Go Kudo wrote: I realized I was about to add the deprecation of `lcg_value()` and forgot to do so, so I added it. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3#global_combined_lcg As usual, my English is of low quality, so I would appreciate it if you could point out any

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Discussion]: Marking overridden methods (#[\Override])

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 5/24/23 01:32, David Gebler wrote: where you're coming from, however I'd refer back to my earlier comment: any attributes added in the engine should provide a tangible benefit which *can't be achieved in userland*. I think this is a flawed premise: Any sort of analysis that PHP itself

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC [Discussion]: Marking overridden methods (#[\Override])

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 5/23/23 17:47, Sara Golemon wrote: I think targeting 8.3 is aggressive as we're less than a month from FF (accounting for discussion and voting period). I didn't expect the proposal to need much of a discussion, as the functionality is known from existing programming languages and the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Máté Kocsis
Hi Michał and Larry, As Tim has already clarified, using literal strings in the left-hand side of "clone with expressions" won't cause any issues for IDEs and static analysers to identify the correct property. I got rid of the shorthand syntax from the proposal because it is not strictly required

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Aleksander Machniak
On 29.05.2023 14:12, Aleksander Machniak wrote: In "Property name expressions" section's first code example I think you intended to do `clone $self` (not `clone $this`) inside the foreach() loop. Also, I have a feeling that it would be better to implement `clone $object with $properties`

[PHP-DEV] Re: Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Andreas Hennings
A big TBD would be the new attribute classes we need to mark these parameters. Perhaps we could use just one attribute class, e.g. "AttributeDeclaration", and use the parameter type to determine which part of the declaration is expected. Also, if an attribute is allowed on different symbol types,

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property hooks, nee accessors

2023-05-29 Thread Claude Pache
> Le 8 mai 2023 à 23:38, Larry Garfield a écrit : > > Ilija Tovilo and I would like to offer another RFC for your consideration. > It's been a while in coming, and we've evolved the design quite a bit just in > the last week so if you saw an earlier draft of it in the past few months, I >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Deprecate functions with overloaded signatures

2023-05-29 Thread Máté Kocsis
Hi Claude, The replacement methods for IntlCalendar::set() (namely > IntlCalendar::setDate() and IntlCalendar::setDateTime()) must not have a > return type of `void`, but `true`, like the original method, for the two > following reasons: > > 1. By changing the returned value, you are introducing

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Düsterhus
Hi On 5/29/23 13:47, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: So there would be no option to vote on shorthand properties, right? Array syntax with all properties as strings in quotes probably means no support from IDE. I think this is a really bad move, I'd be against it. I expect any IDE or SA

[PHP-DEV] Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Andreas Hennings
Hello internals, I am picking up an idea that was mentioned by Benjamin Eberlei in the past. https://externals.io/message/110217#110395 (we probably had the idea independently, but Benjamin's is the first post where I see it mentioned in the list) Quite often I found myself writing attribute

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 6:47 AM, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: > Hi Máté, > > pon., 29 maj 2023 o 11:18 Máté Kocsis napisał(a): > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> In the meanwhile, I changed my proposal to use [] instead of {} after the >> "with" clause due to its better receptance. >> Additionally, I

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Go Kudo
2023年5月30日(火) 0:42 Nikita Popov : > On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 08:05, Máté Kocsis wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the > > usual > > deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link > below: > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Máté Kocsis
Hi Everyone, In the meanwhile, I changed my proposal to use [] instead of {} after the "with" clause due to its better receptance. Additionally, I removed support for the shorthand "property assignment" syntax (clone $this with [property1: "foo"]) in favor the more powerful one where the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
Hi Máté, pon., 29 maj 2023 o 11:18 Máté Kocsis napisał(a): > Hi Everyone, > > In the meanwhile, I changed my proposal to use [] instead of {} after the > "with" clause due to its better receptance. > Additionally, I removed support for the shorthand "property assignment" > syntax (clone $this

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Nikita Popov
On Mon, May 29, 2023, at 08:05, Máté Kocsis wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Together with multiple authors, we'd like to start the discussion of the > usual > deprecation RFC for the subsequent PHP version. You can find the link below: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_3 > > Regards: >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Clone with

2023-05-29 Thread Brandon Jackson
Hello everyone, On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 6:48 AM Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: > So there would be no option to vote on shorthand properties, right? > > Array syntax with all properties as strings in quotes probably means no > support from IDE. > I think this is a really bad move, I'd be

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] PHP 8.3 deprecations

2023-05-29 Thread Kamil Tekiela
I am not sure if others agree but in my opinion, Global Mersenne Twister should have been a separate RFC. It has a discussion point that people might want to discuss on mailing list first.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Andreas Hennings
Thanks for the feedback! On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 03:43, Dusk wrote: > > On May 29, 2023, at 17:48, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > Quite often I found myself writing attribute classes that need to fill > > some default values or do some validation based on the symbol the > > attribute is attached

Re: [PHP-DEV] Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Stephen Reay
> On 30 May 2023, at 07:48, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > Hello internals, > I am picking up an idea that was mentioned by Benjamin Eberlei in the past. > https://externals.io/message/110217#110395 > (we probably had the idea independently, but Benjamin's is the first > post where I see it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Dusk
On May 29, 2023, at 17:48, Andreas Hennings wrote: > Quite often I found myself writing attribute classes that need to fill > some default values or do some validation based on the symbol the > attribute is attached to. > E.g. a parameter attribute might require a specific type on that >

[PHP-DEV] Re: Declaration-aware attributes

2023-05-29 Thread Andreas Hennings
I just notice a flaw in my thinking. On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 02:48, Andreas Hennings wrote: > > Note that for methods, we typically need to know the method reflector > _and_ the class reflector, because the method could be defined in a > base class. This is true when doing a discovery using

[PHP-DEV] Let ReflectionMethod keep track of original class

2023-05-29 Thread Andreas Hennings
Hello list, this proposal will be useful in combination with "Declaration-aware attributes" Problem Currently, ReflectionMethod is not aware of the original class, if the method is declared in a parent class. Methods that are called during a discovery algorithm that need to process a