to
pass values to templates.
There are tons of use case like this in old yet still running code.
But I would love it to be deprecated, raise warnings, and give some time
for people to fix (adding an explicit `mixed ... $values` is enough to
fix broken code).
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things both in the PR and the RFC. We are willing to do so if the
consensus is that it would be beneficial, but want to ask before putting in the
effort.
Yes please ! Pass !
I don't have voting rights, but we need this.
Cheers,
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> On 31 December 2023 16:31:31 GMT, Pierre Joye
> wrote:
>
> >php handles this in threadsafe mode
>
> Depending on your exact definition of "php", this is either irrelevant or
> just plain wrong.
>
It is why frankenphp
requires a TS build of php. Requests are handled by a thread pool, not in
single thread event loop which may block all requests.
best,
Pierre
sapi but how it is done using frankenphp would be an order
of magnitude better.
Having the complex parts in the core us a good start to experiment, adapt.
Later a core sapi may be added, we cannot know without trying and let the
community uses it.
best,
Pierre
ever I am happy
to help if desired. I can only, with a diplomatic emphasis, suggest to the
author to understand where the php ecosystem is (or was 3 years or more
ago).
best,
Pierre
>
On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 3:44 PM Max Semenik wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 10:20 PM Niels Dossche
> wrote:
>
> > Hi internals
> >
> > I'd like to start a pre-RFC discussion about filesystem path APIs in PHP.
> > The reason I bring this up is because of this recent feature request:
> >
including their respective deps) will be amazingly
helpful.
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On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 10:13 PM Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>
> You may mention https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle
>
> which supports pecl.php.net pear format, composer like support, and
> conversion to composer format.
>
> I did a website as well as a test bed and we had
er 2.x, which now widely used. Similarly we
discussed the idea to create a packagist dedicated to extensions.
That would be, imo, the best option to date.
The current code may need some updates for php8 but nothing difficult or
requiring big changes.
best,
Pierre
re than in
JIT.
As a sidenote, most libraries used by php, where larger intrinsics vectors
bring something, implement them already.
best,
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>
struct(public string $val = 'abc' ) {}}` don't yield the same
behavior at the time.
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Le 23/10/2023 à 17:35, Saki Takamachi a écrit :
Hi, Pierre
You may have overlooked the existence of the magic method `__unserialize()`.
Constructor is not the only way to create instances.
When rebuilding a serialized object, you may need the initial values of
properties. This can easily
those case and affect
variables with default values ? I don't know enough PHP internals to
give a rational answer to this problem through...
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is real and obvious. So long as voters
are categorically opposed to actual operator overloads no matter the
implementation, as represented here by you Pierre but by no means a
position that only you hold, I don't think we should be looking for
ways to get the functionality through hacks like
PIs.
ORM's are one place, but there are many others.
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the ~= choice because in my mind it literally
translates to "is approximately/barely/maybe comparable to".
By the way, please do not use abbreviations such as WDYT, I'm not a
native english speaker and I don't know all abbreviations, I had to
duckduckgo' it.
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Le 18/10/2023 à 13:01, Alex Wells a écrit :
The community has just now decided on the PHPDoc syntax for generics, has
just started widely adopting them in packages and has just got first-party
support from PHPStorm. I doubt that migrating to yet another temporary
solution (one that still
Le 15/10/2023 à 18:09, Larry Garfield a écrit :
That has already been done:https://www.php.net/array_is_list
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Oh, I forgot it was accepted and merged, thanks for pointing at it.
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to
bikeshed about naming) would be a good addition as well, that, in my
opinion, would be pertinent to add at the same time.
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 2:01 AM Jordan LeDoux wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe MPFR is what is used by ext-decimal. The only thing that makes
> ext-decimal a somewhat difficult replacement for BCMath is that one of them
> uses precision and the other uses scale. (Total accurate digits versus
> total
Hi Jordan
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 1:24 AM Jordan LeDoux wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 5:27 AM Saki Takamachi wrote:
>
>> Hi, Pierre
>>
>> In fact, I predict that many use cases will be covered by GMP.
>>
>> Still, I think that there may
Hi
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, 6:39 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
> Hi, Marc, Pierre
>
> Thank you for all the information.
>
> After all, I feel that BCMath and GMP have different roles.
>
> Arbitrary precision mathematics and very high precision mathematics are
> similar but di
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 4:13 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
> yes, they do, as do almost all floating points implementation.
>
> Memory limited float values and their respective operations are still
> useful in many areas, but financial values and the likes. Scaled integers
> are the way for accuracy.
>
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 12:25 PM Saki Takamachi wrote:
>
> I thought GMP was a function for integers, so I wasn't expecting that tbh.
>
> However, even if GMP supported floating point numbers, wouldn't it end up
> having the inherent error problem of floating point numbers?
>
yes, they do, as do
sapi may take more importance soon I think. It won't be as
wide as fpm but frankenphp (or similar) will see a significant increase in
usage, for good reasons:)
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>
r this work can be available as
experimental, the sooner it will get stable.
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languages that were not design with multiple inheritance in
mind solves it, such as Java, and I personally find this rather elegant.
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mentations on interfaces, it would remove the use of having traits
at all. Everything would be much easier to read and write.
LoggerAwareInterface would no longer require us to use LoggerAwareTrait
on every class, etc...
This is kind of sugar candy I'd really love.
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maintained along with core, and be usable without any composer dependencies.
PHP is really lacking a complete enumerable / iterable / traversable
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On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 18:24, Gunnard engebreth wrote:
>
> > Maybe im missing something here but the already available `dirname()`
> does this. right?
> https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.dirname.php
>
>
dirname just traverses up the directory, it doesn't join paths.
For example, this
you did, the volunteers here to do it for you
as the language level, won't work.
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>
ing https://externals.io/
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pment
flows of these projects instead of asking php to freeze.
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Hello,
I wonder if we could not use on demand resources for the builds (like
windows gh actions) and use the normal distribution mirrors setup?
Pierre
On Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 8:10 PM JEDI_BC / Bruno CHALOPIN
wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 11/07/2022 18:25, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> > On 1
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, 7:46 PM joke2k wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2022, 09:33 Claude Pache, wrote:
>
> > It is very common for fluent class methods to have a verbose `return
> > $this;` ending in their body.
> > But If you have declared `self` as return type into a
and performance.
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Le 24/03/2022 à 16:06, Mark Niebergall a écrit :
So you are correct, the const value does have a value that has a type, but
there is no way to enforce which type the value is or to use const with
inheritance, which is part of the bigger picture here.
That was exactly my point: the type could
f a value, the value has already has a type.
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h more explicit and much less
alien-like for most people.
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quot;;
$len = strlen($name);
echo "{$name} has a length of {$len}.";
I guess it's a matter of taste and convention.
Sometime, it make sense and it's just easier to just use string
interpolation (for example with multiline templates).
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:31 AM Kris Craig wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote:
>
>
> But that doesn't mean we should be using the PHP website to start taking
> sides in military conflicts.
>
There is no side to take but the population in Ukraine, friends, family,
d hit paste on every use case you find).
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dd myself to the
organization. The organization was limited when gh was only a mirror,
so I wonder why all accounts did not get migrated.
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Hi,
What has to be done that the github issues can be handled by the same
developers than in bugs.php.net?
It is a bit weird that I cannot change status or anything else but add
comments :)
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> 8 bits)
> d) code points (one of 1,112,064 numbers that can be given a meaning by
> the Unicode standard)
> e) graphemes (what a user would generally think of as a "character")
> f) pixels (or any other unit of physical size)
>
it is why we have intl, which uses the ICU and allow users to update it.
That means using the latest standard if needed.
best,
Pierre
>
Hi Tim,
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:40 PM Tim Düsterhus, WoltLab GmbH
wrote:
>
> Hi Pierre
>
> On 1/11/22 4:48 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > Also sensitive data goes way beyond arguments, GDPR brings a lot of
> > issues here too. Userland packages like monolog provide filters
Good morning Tim,
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:06 PM Tim Düsterhus, WoltLab GmbH
wrote:
I am not sure it makes sense to make the code so verbose to prevent
users from showing sensitive data as it never stops (next
print_r/var_dump and userland version of them?).
Also sensitive data goes way
ted API? If possible, then
algorithm specific on top? a bit like we have with the traversable
interface and related.
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we could reach that compromise. There will be the
oppositions for the features as a whole, however I am optimistic about
our abilities to get there this time rather than wait yet again a few
years for something we know we will have anyway.
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 2:17 AM Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 1:35 AM Horváth V. wrote:
>
>> On 2022. 01. 03. 18:17, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>> > Oh, that would be an issue. We can't use Cygwin builds; MinGW builds
>> > might be okayish, t
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, 1:35 AM Horváth V. wrote:
> On 2022. 01. 03. 18:17, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> > Oh, that would be an issue. We can't use Cygwin builds; MinGW builds
> > might be okayish, though. ICU ships a VS solution file
> > (source/allinone/allinone.sln) which works fine. I
d be great. In that sense, I
much preferred specific RFC about `__equalsTo()` or `__compareTo()`
alone that a huge generic operator overload RFC. I think both could
actually be separated, it wouldn't be that weird.
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Le 03/01/2022 à 17:12, Larry Garfield a écrit :
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Pierre wrote:
I personally tend to agree with everything that Marco said. Especially
regarding the fact that it's adding huge complexity to the language
itself for mostly edge cases.
I'd argue there's many much
t's both readable and navigable,
whereas operator overload tend to magically hide what the code really does.
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re interested.
>
I will definitely follow it and see what can be done in pickle to support
it as well as the legacy build system.
thank you for pushing it forward, much needed :)
best,
Pierre
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 8:02 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 29.12.2021 at 13:38, Horváth V. wrote:
>
> > Just a quick update on this in between the holidays.
> >
> > There are indeed quite a few of the libraries provided in the php-src's
> > Windows SDK that are missing from Conan Center
drop support for libmysql.
>
+1 too while the ones maintaining it may have something to say :)
P.S. one more point, IIRC License is not compatible
> with php one (GPL) despite there is a FOSS exception
> for Linux.
>
+libmysql, just in case :)
best,
Pierre
>
tion about the current
stage the ext is in (root process or childs) but that will be painful
to do and port.
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 5:24 AM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 20.12.2021 at 23:01, Horváth V. wrote:
>
> > On 2021. 12. 20. 17:19, Pierre Joye wrote:
> >
> >> We may switch to vcpkg distributions, [...], or the current autoconf
> >> php js port works too.
>
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 5:02 AM Horváth V. wrote:
> On 2021. 12. 20. 17:19, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > We may switch to vcpkg distributions, [...], or the current autoconf
> > php js port works too.
>
> Could you elaborate on what you mean by these?
>
> The reason why I p
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 6:37 AM Andreas Hennings wrote:
>
> In a class Matrix, you might want to implement three variations of the
> * operator:
> - Matrix * Matrix = Matrix.
> - Matrix * float = Matrix.
> - Matrix * Vector = Vector.
> Same for other classes and operators:
> - Money / float =
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:23 PM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
> Hi
>
> Den fre. 17. dec. 2021 kl. 01.09 skrev Horváth V. <
> friendlyan...@hotmail.com>:
> > Yes, gradually phasing the current build system out is the most
> > pragmatic choice, although it will incur some extra maintenance cost for
>
my mind, an
operator is a function, and there's no reason that it'd be a different
thing.
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rather allow it
if libavinfo js available rather than bundling it.
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ching?
>
I wonder what is the technical benefit from that?
I do feel we are moving to a strict typed language. If that is what is
desired, then let decide it clearly and move forward to rhst direction.
best,
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>
HP on Windows[2],
> and at least some adaptions to newer PHP versions need to be done[3],
> and there is a PR for building for arm64[4], which may be rejected by
> Microsoft.
>
> Thoughts? Objections?
>
yes please.
And get ride of the CLA while being at it.
best,
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>
(I never did but should be
smooth :).
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erally not available on other CI providers.
what we did for GD. Also adding arm is simple as the gh ci bot works on arm.
For ppc and other there is a gh bot port typescript and this is the one we
use. Only need to install it instead of gh one, gh website parts remain the
same.
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:11 PM Lynn wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:52 AM Pierre Joye wrote:
>>
>>
>> My vote will change to yes as soon as the change is an opt-in instead of an
>> opt-out for the 8.x lifetime.
>>
>
> What is the
; >
> > Regards,
> > Nikita
> >
>
>
> I encourage people to vote "yes" on this, if you want PHP to be better
>
My vote will change to yes as soon as the change is an opt-in instead of an
opt-out for the 8.x lifetime.
best,
Pierre
>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 11:42 PM Rowan Tommins
wrote:
> On 14/11/2021 11:48, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > Also I do see it as a kind of strict mode addition and the depreciation
> as
> > well could be strict mode only.
>
>
> A quick reminder that PHP has no "stri
ee it as a kind of strict mode addition and the depreciation as
well could be strict mode only.
It could make things too complicated, so only off by default would be an
acceptable compromise to me.
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) to implement if fpassthru() natively supported a
$max_bytes=null argument,
an example of where it would be useful:
Hello,
Can't you use fseek() and stream_copy_to_stream() to achieve what you're
trying to do without consuming memory ?
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On Sun, May 9, 2021, 1:49 PM Joe Watkins wrote:
> Morning internals,
>
>
> Having moved our workflow to github, now seems to be the time to seriously
> consider retiring bugsnet for general use, and using the tools that are
> waiting for us - Github Issues.
>
yes! yes! yes!
and we
ple string no matter that the class exists or not, but,
I'm being the devil's advocate here, there are use case were you would
want the engine to crash when you explicitly reference/use a non
existing class, even when it's only its name.
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And why not ? using the FQDN is 100% valid, autoloaders should take care
of this, not the end user.
For what it worth, I'm using both, depending upon context, both can make
sense.
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that was proposed but purity won if I remember correctly.
That's kind of defeat the initial goal (attempt) of yearly releases. Now I
feel like we introduced more, small or big, bc in minor releases in the
name of purity. That counter balance the yearly release with no bc from a
migration pace pov.
best,
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>
pport would
be better. Many distributions built with SSE2 flags but are actually
ran on much recent CPUs, same for ARM (ie. graviton/neon f.e.).
Thoughts?
Maybe Dmitry has a better idea :)
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T
HP has did an extremely good job in not making
too much BC breaks, and keeping those BC breaks easy to deal with.
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and return
backward-compatible values for converted resources to objects.
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:56 PM Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:21 AM Mike Schinkel
> wrote:
> >
> >> Honestly, at first I confused `Deque` with `Dequeue` and was wondering
>
le to learn what a Deque is. :)
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Le 20/09/2021 à 15:46, tyson andre a écrit :
Hi Pierre,
I'm not certain what you mean by "normalize".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/normalize mentions
At least please try to make it serious, I think you understood what I
meant. I'm in no place in arguing about technic
normalize them all and place all new classes in a single new dedicated
namespace.
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name,
> or that you're fine with the name but think that the comments by
> Larry/Chris/Pierre in this email thread are representative of voters.
>
Maybe representative of what vectors are and how they are used.
Vectorization is a key to programming now like multi threading or
par
yList) are all
> collections of `Object` after generic type erasure.)
>
Thanks for the clarification.
So the name of this proposal is misleading. They are not vector.
I am not sure php needs another type of fixed array at this stage. So -1
here overall.
best,
Pierre
>
a realloc/free should not be
necessary and counter productive from a perf point of view. If one
uses it in a daemon, it can always be destroyed as needed.
> > To echo Pierre, a Vector needs to be of a single guaranteed type.
> > Yes, this gets us back to the generics conversation again, bu
Hi Tyson,
Back on my laptop so I will answer my question myself as I read the
source code. Please, really, that should be part of the RFC content.
Half of the questions here are about APIs, goals, etc. RFC should be
specifications as much as possible.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 12:43 PM Pierre Joye
that designing a collection first can still be done, having the
vector type/class in core is a great idea.
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llows the user to enable/disable
it before calling some library api they may not be able to(or don't want
to) patch.
str_use_locale(bool) f.e.?
and at some point it can be false by default and later on removed.
best,
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>
for this, or all other RFC
in the future will only create new isolated data structures and make the
SPL even more inconsistent.
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rocessing. It requires a bit of (re)thinking, but it is
totally worth it.
Generic multiple data types vectors are less useful for such things
and SplFixedArray does it already, if I understand the RFC, as it
stands now, correctly.
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of it, still
good to have but not as good as a clear pure Vector support :).
Also I think it will be very good to have more details about what this
RFC proposes in the RFC. It is kind of hard to follow right now, with
all external links. RFCs are better if they act as a real
specification :)
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confronted with dates problems quite often.
Just for fun, some pgsql random select:
db=# select timestamp with time zone '2021-09-13 14:24:00+03:15' at time
zone 'utc';
timezone
-
2021-09-13 11:09:00
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 5:49 PM Kamil Tekiela wrote:
> It's WSL2
> uname -r
> 5.4.72-microsoft-standard-WSL2
>
no need to test on wsl2, that's a dockerized linux.
best,
Pierre
>
ne with this, we have created a proposal to first clean up the
> existing RNG-related functionality and move it from ext/standard to
> ext/random.
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/random_ext
>
> Hopefully this will get a good response.
>
> Regards,
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> > Also as someone mentioned here afterwards, instead of removing it
> > straight away, I would go with the flag first, less risky :)
>
> Out of curiosity: Do you thi
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