On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 14:56 +0700, Pierre Joye wrote:
> > This is new information to me, I was lead to believe that phpstorm
> > were
> > happy to invest time in it.
> >
> > I asked bob for the xml stuff to be reverted from 5.6 and master
> > yesterday and be developed elsewhere.
>
> This is new information to me, I was lead to believe that phpstorm
> were
> happy to invest time in it.
>
> I asked bob for the xml stuff to be reverted from 5.6 and master
> yesterday and be developed elsewhere.
>
> This now *must* happen, it doesn't belong in php-src at
On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 17:08 -0700, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
>
> >
> > > Am 26.10.2014 um 16:09 schrieb Derick Rethans :
> > >
> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > >>> On Fri
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
>
> > Am 26.10.2014 um 16:09 schrieb Derick Rethans :
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
>
> Log:
> Made phpdbg co
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
> > Am 26.10.2014 um 16:22 schrieb Derick Rethans :
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> >> We will notify internals of our intentions to make such changes in
> >> future, if we thought there was any chance of any feedback before
> >> to
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM, David Muir wrote:
>
> On 29/10/2014, at 12:43 AM, Julien Pauli wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra wrote:
>>> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand wrote:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine :
>
> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Wein
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> phpdbg is under php.net ; every decision about phpdbg should then be
>> debatted with all the team, and new ideas, such as a protocol, RFC'ed,
>> whoever are the maintainers of the code. It's like that for every
>> piece of code, of
On 29/10/2014, at 12:43 AM, Julien Pauli wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra wrote:
>> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine :
On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to
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Le 29/10/2014 00:35, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
> Hi!
>
>> phpdbg is under php.net ; every decision about phpdbg should then
>> be debatted with all the team, and new ideas, such as a protocol,
>> RFC'ed, whoever are the maintainers of the code. It's lik
Hi!
> phpdbg is under php.net ; every decision about phpdbg should then be
> debatted with all the team, and new ideas, such as a protocol, RFC'ed,
> whoever are the maintainers of the code. It's like that for every
> piece of code, of every extension. This is PHP process. If you dont
> want to
D
> Am 28.10.2014 um 14:50 schrieb Andrea Faulds :
>
>> On 28 Oct 2014, at 13:43, Julien Pauli wrote:
>>
>> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely
>> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal
>> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg*
>>
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
> Am 25.10.2014 um 20:20 schrieb Stas Malyshev:
> > somewhat relaxed rules there, but even then introducing new debugging
> > protocol into PHP core seems to be something that warrants some
> > notification.
>
> That would have been my n
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
>> On 28 Oct 2014, at 13:43, Julien Pauli wrote:
>>
>> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely
>> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal
>> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg
> On 28 Oct 2014, at 13:43, Julien Pauli wrote:
>
> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely
> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal
> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg*
>
> This has never happened before, FWIR
>
> Every code
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra wrote:
> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine :
>>>
>>> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it.
They just initially reque
On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand wrote:
>> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine :
>>
>> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it.
>>> They just initially requested it because they didn’t knew any better
>>> protocol. That’s
> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine :
>
> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it.
>> They just initially requested it because they didn’t knew any better
>> protocol. That’s all.
>
> PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have the
On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it.
> They just initially requested it because they didn’t knew any better
> protocol. That’s all.
PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have their own agendas which do not play well with
other groups of d
> Am 26.10.2014 um 16:09 schrieb Derick Rethans :
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>>
Commit:2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
Author:Bob Weinand
> Am 26.10.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Derick Rethans :
>
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2014, at 15:09, Derick Rethans wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
>>>
On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
A few weeks ago
> Am 26.10.2014 um 16:22 schrieb Derick Rethans :
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
>> We will notify internals of our intentions to make such changes in
>> future, if we thought there was any chance of any feedback before today,
>> we would already be doing so.
>
> "We will notify i
> Am 26.10.2014 um 16:17 schrieb Derick Rethans :
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Weinand Bob wrote:
>
>> Just a minor question, Derick. If you care about phpdbg, why are you
>> only dropping any comment about it by the time it got into php-src
>> repo?
>
> Yes, my mistake. I should have voted -1, bu
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> > On 26 Oct 2014, at 15:09, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >>
> >> A few weeks ago, I was at a conference where you told a room filled
> >>
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> We will notify internals of our intentions to make such changes in
> future, if we thought there was any chance of any feedback before today,
> we would already be doing so.
"We will notify internals". Really? Sadly, this phpdbg stuff is part of
internal
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> That said, we are where we are, and I think it would be great if this
> would somehow server as a starting point for developing a unified
> protocol for debugging PHP.
It already exists: DBGp. It's implemented by dozens of editors and
plugins.
cheer
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Leigh wrote:
> On 25 October 2014 12:00, Weinand Bob wrote:
> > ...
>
> Thanks Bob.
>
> So my question is: Obviously the phpdbg requirements do not map to
> DBGp. However, can all of the requirements of DBGp be mapped to the
> phpdbg XML?
>
> Going forward does the XML p
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Weinand Bob wrote:
> Just a minor question, Derick. If you care about phpdbg, why are you
> only dropping any comment about it by the time it got into php-src
> repo?
Yes, my mistake. I should have voted -1, but as I thought there was a
conflict of interest, I stayed silen
> On 26 Oct 2014, at 15:09, Derick Rethans wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
>>
>> A few weeks ago, I was at a conference where you told a room filled
>> with hundreds of developers that phpdbg was no good, because
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
> >
> > > Commit:2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
> > > Author:Bob Weinand Fri, 24 Oct 2014
> > > 19:29:50 +0200
> > > Parents:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 12:58 schrieb Pierre Joye :
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
>> I'd like to everyone to stay grounded in reality and say that we have
>> been checking code into php-src for months, very very few people have
>> expressed an interest in what we were actu
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Joe Watkins wrote:
> I'd like to everyone to stay grounded in reality and say that we have
> been checking code into php-src for months, very very few people have
> expressed an interest in what we were actually doing, you aren't one of
> them Stas.
As much as I
Am 25.10.2014 um 20:20 schrieb Stas Malyshev:
> somewhat relaxed rules there, but even then introducing new debugging
> protocol into PHP core seems to be something that warrants some
> notification.
That would have been my next question. I think it does not only
warrant notification but adheren
disclaimer: I'm not overly interested in phpdbg, maybe I should
be, but for the moment I'm not.
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 21:24 +0100, Joe Watkins wrote:
> I'd like to everyone to stay grounded in reality and say that we have
> been checking code into php-src for months, very
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 11:20 -0700, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > Just a minor question, Derick. If you care about phpdbg, why are you
> > only dropping any comment about it by the time it got into php-src
> > repo? It’s known that all the development currently (except for
> > master, but that j
Hi!
> Just a minor question, Derick. If you care about phpdbg, why are you
> only dropping any comment about it by the time it got into php-src
> repo? It’s known that all the development currently (except for
> master, but that just was a merge and then a pure rewrite on top of
> that merge, noth
> Am 25.10.2014 um 17:37 schrieb Sebastian Bergmann :
>
> Am 25.10.2014 um 13:00 schrieb Weinand Bob:
>> It’s known that all the development currently is going on in
>> krakjoe/phpdbg github repo.
>
> Why is that, exactly? I find it weird that something that is shipped
> with official releases o
Am 25.10.2014 um 13:00 schrieb Weinand Bob:
> It’s known that all the development currently is going on in
> krakjoe/phpdbg github repo.
Why is that, exactly? I find it weird that something that is shipped
with official releases of PHP is not developed alongside the rest of
PHP.
--
PHP Inter
> Am 25.10.2014 um 13:25 schrieb Leigh :
>
> On 25 October 2014 12:00, Weinand Bob wrote:
>> ...
>
> Thanks Bob.
>
> So my question is: Obviously the phpdbg requirements do not map to
> DBGp. However, can all of the requirements of DBGp be mapped to the
> phpdbg XML?
>
> Going forward does the
On 25 October 2014 12:00, Weinand Bob wrote:
> ...
Thanks Bob.
So my question is: Obviously the phpdbg requirements do not map to
DBGp. However, can all of the requirements of DBGp be mapped to the
phpdbg XML?
Going forward does the XML protocol cover everything XDebug needs? Can
we do "DBGp ov
Just a minor question, Derick. If you care about phpdbg, why are you only
dropping any comment about it by the time it got into php-src repo? It’s known
that all the development currently (except for master, but that just was a
merge and then a pure rewrite on top of that merge, nothing related
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Joe Watkins wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> I wasn't involved in the conversations during it's development very
> much. You will have to wait for bob or someone from the phpstorm team to
> fill in the blanks. Suffice to say that they found a reason to work on a
> new
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 16:19 +0700, Pierre Joye wrote:
> hi,
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Joe Watkins wrote:
>
> >> Although this patch does make it work with PHP 7, it also does do
> >> something absolutely different: it reinvents a wheel by coming up with a
> >> new XML protocol for
hi,
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Joe Watkins wrote:
>> Although this patch does make it work with PHP 7, it also does do
>> something absolutely different: it reinvents a wheel by coming up with a
>> new XML protocol for debugging.
>>
>> So far I've been silent on PHPDBG, but seriously, is
On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
>
> > Commit:2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
> > Author:Bob Weinand Fri, 24 Oct 2014
> > 19:29:50 +0200
> > Parents: 53560ca06b333b71883269091f7d74c0a25e087b
> > c03ac47
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
> Commit:2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
> Author:Bob Weinand Fri, 24 Oct 2014
> 19:29:50 +0200
> Parents: 53560ca06b333b71883269091f7d74c0a25e087b
> c03ac47bafd0ea55055a2f3d4de0bc6bb4d98d8d
> Branches: master
>
> Link:
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