Re: The end of the line
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Ivan Vilata i Balaguer wrote: Anyway, rest assured that many people shares your opinions and greatly values your work, especially for its boldness, insightfulness and tecnhical quality. Congratulations and thanks for that, I've been and I'll be using Ion for a very long time! :) Well said. One thing I'd like to add is, Tuomo, thanks for the fantastic support you've always provided for Ion. It's been dependably quick, helpful, and insightful, and has made me confidently switch all my computing environments to use ion.
Re: The end of the line
Tuomo Valkonen (el 2009-09-02 a les 13:36:23 +) va dir:: > On 2009-09-01, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > > It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will > > be using or working on Ion much anymore. Cygwin is a big pile of > > shit [1], with an even bigger pile of filth > > Yesterday I was angry, today I'm miserable. I'm too much > alone with my thoughts; my anger and misery. > > I'm feeling somewhat regretful for such angry words; no > I don't particularly like the guy and his strict discipline, > but I do not want to be a bitter old man hating and hated > by everybody, so I'll start by saying sorry here. That's always a wise and humble reaction, and saying it publicly is also very brave on your part. I guess most of us sometimes get the feeling that the world is against us, but you know, every person is a whole world in itself and getting to understand others' positions or limitations tends to get difficult and frustrating. But that's just the human nature! Anyway, rest assured that many people shares your opinions and greatly values your work, especially for its boldness, insightfulness and tecnhical quality. Congratulations and thanks for that, I've been and I'll be using Ion for a very long time! :) :: Ivan Vilata i Balaguer @ Intellectual property is the worst offense @ http://www.selidor.net/ @against human intelligence. @ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The end of the line
On 2009-09-01, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will > be using or working on Ion much anymore. Cygwin is a big pile of > shit [1], with an even bigger pile of filth Yesterday I was angry, today I'm miserable. I'm too much alone with my thoughts; my anger and misery. I'm feeling somewhat regretful for such angry words; no I don't particularly like the guy and his strict discipline, but I do not want to be a bitter old man hating and hated by everybody, so I'll start by saying sorry here.
Re: The end of the line
On 2009-09-01, Canaan Hadley-Voth wrote: > Me too. The tiling=2C the convenient queries=2C the lua=2C the statusbar= >=2C the fullscreen-anything (all at once)=2C etc etc. I don't know if Tuom= > o gets any warm fuzzy feelings from outpourings of gratitude or not=2C but = > hopefully he's proud of all he's done for the *nix users that do like effic= > iency and control of their interface. It's been all for nothing. Wasted time, wasted life. -- Be an early adopter! Beat the herd! Choose Windows today!
RE: The end of the line
> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:38:33 +0200 > Paul Johnson wrote: > > PJ> Thanks very much for Ion. I've been using it for years and, the way > PJ> things look at the moment, I may well be using it for years to come. > > I'll second that. Ion was a real life changer for me. Me too. The tiling, the convenient queries, the lua, the statusbar, the fullscreen-anything (all at once), etc etc. I don't know if Tuomo gets any warm fuzzy feelings from outpourings of gratitude or not, but hopefully he's proud of all he's done for the *nix users that do like efficiency and control of their interface. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:23:57 +0200, Henri Salo wrote: On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:38:33PM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: Paul Johnson - p...@pjcj.net Henri Salo Yes, I'm sorry if this is a little off-topic, but I too would like to say thank you for such a great piece of software. It's a shame it's ended on a sour note with the X devs and such, just a shame really. I wish you all the best of luck in your future work, whatever it may be! yours, with best regards, Jerome Jackson.
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:38:33 +0200 Paul Johnson wrote: PJ> Thanks very much for Ion. I've been using it for years and, the way PJ> things look at the moment, I may well be using it for years to come. I'll second that. Ion was a real life changer for me. -- 01. Scheiding 2009, 22:46 Homepage : http://www.jan0sch.de BOFH excuse #233: TCP/IP UDP alarm threshold is set too low. pgpfKgGShoOt1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The end of the line
On 2009-09-01 20:38, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:03:47PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > > > It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will > > be using or working on Ion much anymore. > > Thanks very much for Ion. I've been using it for years and, the way > things look at the moment, I may well be using it for years to come. > Seconded. Thanks for a great wm! -- Olof Johansson ∎ PGP: 0x7FC0FBBA ∎ http://www.stdlib.se signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:38:33PM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:03:47PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > > > It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will > > be using or working on Ion much anymore. > > Thanks very much for Ion. I've been using it for years and, the way > things look at the moment, I may well be using it for years to come. > > -- > Paul Johnson - p...@pjcj.net > http://www.pjcj.net I'm definately going to continue using it in the future. --- Henri Salo
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:03:47PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will > be using or working on Ion much anymore. Thanks very much for Ion. I've been using it for years and, the way things look at the moment, I may well be using it for years to come. -- Paul Johnson - p...@pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:02:45PM +0300, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2009-09-01 14:51 +, Kris Malfettone wrote: > > Vim works fine without cygwin on windows and I am sure emacs or its > > various derivitives have cygwin-less windows ports as well. > > Vi, well, it's from such a different world that I don't > dislike it like emacs, but never really “got it” either. Hell, no, not vi. Vim. You get syntax highlighting, folding, a decent scripting system (vim 7+), code navigation (ctags), a whole load of great plugins available and a *sane* interface to move through text. Regarding latex, latex-vim is a really good environment to edit/compile latex files, complete labels, quotes, etc. -- Javier Rojas
Re: The end of the line
On 2009-09-01, Jeff Mickey wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:11, Kris Malfettone wrote: >> A few friends swear by slick edit, but I have no experience with it. > > Yes, guys at my who use windows at my place of work seem to swear by > slickedit. It has a great code browser/semantic search. Didn't stay long on my system... too complicated procedures to register for an evaluation license. -- In 1995, Linux was almost a bicycle; an alternative way of live to the Windows petrol beasts that had to be taken to the dealer for service. By 2008, Linux has bloated into a gas-guzzler, and local vendors and artisans have had to yield to "all under one roof" big box hypermarkets.
Re: The end of the line
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:11, Kris Malfettone wrote: > A few friends swear by slick edit, but I have no experience with it. > Yes, guys at my who use windows at my place of work seem to swear by slickedit. It has a great code browser/semantic search. // jeff
Re: The end of the line
A few friends swear by slick edit, but I have no experience with it. -Original Message- From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:02:45 To: Subject: Re: The end of the line On 2009-09-01 14:51 +, Kris Malfettone wrote: > Vim works fine without cygwin on windows and I am sure emacs or its > various derivitives have cygwin-less windows ports as well. I never liked emacs. Joe-bindings are half emacs, half wordstar, but I just can't stand emacs' own bindings, beyond the basic de facto standard unix movement bindings. Years ago, I tried to start usin emacs, but just couldn't. Too crippled. It's like an OS missing the editor. ^X combos are awful hand-twisters, and it seems ^X is hard-coded (at least in GNU emacs) in many places, so can't be remapped to something more useful (in joe: forward word). Another annoyance was, well, Escape Meta Alt Control Shift, how you needed one binding for search forward, another for search backward, third for replace forward, and so on, these not even including a case-sensitivity toggle. In joe, otoh, the single search function just queries the options. There were various other annoyances, like the syntax highlighter not having the concept of numbers, etc. So I doubt I'll be going for emacs, if I can find something else. Joe would be the best, but it doesn't run natively on Windows. And, since not running in a terminal, something not contstrained by the text terminal would be nice, for displaying automatic folds, etc. Vi, well, it's from such a different world that I don't dislike it like emacs, but never really “got it” either. -- Tuomo
Re: The end of the line
On 2009-09-01 14:51 +, Kris Malfettone wrote: > Vim works fine without cygwin on windows and I am sure emacs or its > various derivitives have cygwin-less windows ports as well. I never liked emacs. Joe-bindings are half emacs, half wordstar, but I just can't stand emacs' own bindings, beyond the basic de facto standard unix movement bindings. Years ago, I tried to start usin emacs, but just couldn't. Too crippled. It's like an OS missing the editor. ^X combos are awful hand-twisters, and it seems ^X is hard-coded (at least in GNU emacs) in many places, so can't be remapped to something more useful (in joe: forward word). Another annoyance was, well, Escape Meta Alt Control Shift, how you needed one binding for search forward, another for search backward, third for replace forward, and so on, these not even including a case-sensitivity toggle. In joe, otoh, the single search function just queries the options. There were various other annoyances, like the syntax highlighter not having the concept of numbers, etc. So I doubt I'll be going for emacs, if I can find something else. Joe would be the best, but it doesn't run natively on Windows. And, since not running in a terminal, something not contstrained by the text terminal would be nice, for displaying automatic folds, etc. Vi, well, it's from such a different world that I don't dislike it like emacs, but never really “got it” either. -- Tuomo
Re: The end of the line
Tuomo Valkonen wrote: It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will be using or working on Ion much anymore. Cygwin is a big pile of shit [1], with an even bigger pile of filth for a project manager; It has no hope. A typical FOSS project, that is. I will be trying to complete my Windows transition, and reduce my Cygwin dependency, hopefully to nil. This will mean that I can not use Ion anymore; I do not personally have the time for a Windows port. [1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/110341 PS. I will need a decent Windows text editor to even attempt moving out of Cygwin. Any suggestions? I need set-mark type selection (I don't like shift selection); configurable key bindings, with support for key sequences (^K B, etc.); LaTeX syntax highlighting, maybe Lua, etc. Emacs is available for Windows natively (http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/), so is VIM (ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/). It's a shame that you are not going to be working on Ion anymore. Windows also needs a decent window manager; it's default one is also horrible. -- MJF
Re: The end of the line
Vim works fine without cygwin on windows and I am sure emacs or its various derivitives have cygwin-less windows ports as well. --Original Message-- From: Tuomo Valkonen Sender: ion-general-boun...@lists.berlios.de To: ion-general@lists.berlios.de Subject: The end of the line Sent: Sep 1, 2009 8:03 AM It has come to this. Unless miracles happen, I don't think I will be using or working on Ion much anymore. Cygwin is a big pile of shit [1], with an even bigger pile of filth for a project manager; It has no hope. A typical FOSS project, that is. I will be trying to complete my Windows transition, and reduce my Cygwin dependency, hopefully to nil. This will mean that I can not use Ion anymore; I do not personally have the time for a Windows port. [1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/110341 PS. I will need a decent Windows text editor to even attempt moving out of Cygwin. Any suggestions? I need set-mark type selection (I don't like shift selection); configurable key bindings, with support for key sequences (^K B, etc.); LaTeX syntax highlighting, maybe Lua, etc. -- Stop Gnomes and other pests! Purchase Windows today! http://iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2009/07/21/T17_26_09/
