Re: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2002-12-11 Thread Richard Nelson
I've read this a couple of times and I find the security section (sec 8) quite confusing. I am not a security expert but it appears to me that it is not consistent. In particular sec 8.2 says "AH [RFC-2402] must be supported." It then goes on to say "there is no real need for AH" and in both s

RE: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Bound, Jim
James, I would contact NTT in San Jose and what is called the PAIX. Both have IPv6 offerings but I am not sure what the deal is at all. Now that ISP have commerical grade IPv6 products from many vendors this will change. The providers needed second release IPv6 commerical product releases and no

Re: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Ross Finlayson
Most of us run a 6to4 gateway and tunnel over our provider's IPv4 network to one of the public 6to4 relays. It's unfortunate that there still seem to be very few 6to4 relay routers that are advertising a route to the "6to4 anycast address" (2002:c058:6301::). For example, for me (in the San

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-11 Thread Keith Moore
> I'm still unsure about this insistence on /48 as a critical point of > allocation. renumbering is a lot more painful if you're trying to renumber between prefixes of different lengths. IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng

RE: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Soohong Daniel Park
This is same situation as asian has except JP. IPv6 is wholly experimental and used in each lab. I'm looking forward to nice solution from V6OPS WG. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Kempf Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:21

RE: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Soohong Daniel Park
This is same situation as asian has except JP. IPv6 is wholly experimental and used in each lab. I'm looking forward to nice solution from V6OPS WG. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Kempf Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:21

RE: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
Bob Hinden write: > If you contact them, suggest you mention your interest in > IPv6. If enough > people ask for it Which is exactly what people should to get their ISP's going. We had an AMS-IX IPv6 Awareness Day, at which many ISP's where present. Checking http://www.sixxs.net/tools/gr

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-11 Thread Andrew White
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > For the record, I am still completely against any proposal > that takes over the normal 16 bit subnet field, i.e. > generates a prefix longer than /48. It just isn't > operationally convenient. I'm still unsure about this insistence on /48 as a critical point of alloc

Re: "unique enough" [RE: globally unique site local addresses]

2002-12-11 Thread Keith Moore
> > But if you look at the requirements, it might be better > > to take a more fundamental approach and look into the > > separatiion of locator and identifier. > > Right. People don't care much about PI addresses if they have PI > identifiers instead. a true separation of locator and identifier

RE: "unique enough" [RE: globally unique site local addresses]

2002-12-11 Thread Michel Py
Ronald, >> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >> - We need to provide PI addressing in IPv6, or we will >> see wide deployment of IPv6 NAT in enterprises >> and homes. No one seems to be disagreeing with this. > Ronald van der Pol wrote: > I don't know yet if I agree or not :-) I agree that it > is a

RE: "unique enough" [RE: globally unique site local addresses]

2002-12-11 Thread Michel Py
Margaret, > Margaret Wasserman wrote: > - We need to provide PI addressing in IPv6, or we will > see wide deployment of IPv6 NAT in enterprises > and homes. No one seems to be disagreeing with > this. Little disgression about the meaning of "PI": in many people minds, it means "PI as we kn

Re: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Bob Hinden
James, At 10:21 AM 12/11/2002, James Kempf wrote: I'm in the process of upgrading my home computing infrastructure in order to be able to use IPv6. Does anybody know a retail ISP in the US that provides IPv6 service (specifically, in the SF Bay Area)? I did a quick Google search and all the off

RE: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Michel Py
James, > James Kempf wrote: > I'm in the process of upgrading my home computing > infrastructure in order to be able to use IPv6. > Does anybody know a retail ISP in the US that > provides IPv6 service (specifically, in the SF Bay > Area)? I am not aware of any at a reasonable price. I'm sure tha

Re: Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi James, At 10:21 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, James Kempf wrote: I'm in the process of upgrading my home computing infrastructure in order to be able to use IPv6. Great! Does anybody know a retail ISP in the US that provides IPv6 service (specifically, in the SF Bay Area)? Unfortunately, I don't

Retail IPv6 Service in the US?

2002-12-11 Thread James Kempf
I'm in the process of upgrading my home computing infrastructure in order to be able to use IPv6. Does anybody know a retail ISP in the US that provides IPv6 service (specifically, in the SF Bay Area)? I did a quick Google search and all the offerings seem to be for backbone service.

Re: "unique enough" [RE: globally unique site local addresses]

2002-12-11 Thread Ronald van der Pol
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:50:04 -0500, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > - We need to provide PI addressing in IPv6, or we will > see wide deployment of IPv6 NAT in enterprises > and homes. No one seems to be disagreeing with > this. I don't kno

Re: draft-hinden-ipv6-global-site-local-00.txt

2002-12-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
For the record, I am still completely against any proposal that takes over the normal 16 bit subnet field, i.e. generates a prefix longer than /48. It just isn't operationally convenient. Brian IETF IPng Working Group Mailin

RE: Ipv6 Subnet

2002-12-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
Digambar Rasal wrote: > We usually specify Ipv4 subnet like 255.255.255.0 or /8 so . > But in Ipv6 while mentioning address we specify it /64 or /48 . You might lookup the word 'CIDR' or Classless Inter Domain Routing. In the /x, the x represents the number of bits for the part of the address th

Re: Ipv6 Subnet

2002-12-11 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Digambar, At 04:53 PM 12/11/2002 +0530, Digambar Rasal wrote: We usually specify Ipv4 subnet like 255.255.255.0 or /8 so . But in Ipv6 while mentioning address we specify it /64 or /48 . As you may already know, a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 is actually a /24. This means that the first 24

Ipv6 Subnet

2002-12-11 Thread Digambar Rasal
We usually specify Ipv4 subnet like 255.255.255.0 or /8 so . But in Ipv6 while mentioning address we specify it /64 or /48 . Does both representation have same meaning ? More specifically i will like to know whether the Ipv6 subnetting is similar to ipv4 or differs ? Any RFC or document pertaining