Re: [ipv6-wg] A strange idea

Michael Richardson writes: > Did you get any real feedback as to why they are hesistant though? Not really. And most of the people there were already doing IPv6. > I've heard that lack of widespread training is one oft cited reason, but at > the same time, managers refuse to actually provide

Re: [ipv6-wg] A strange idea

Jens Link writes: > https://gitlab.com/jenslink/advent-of-ipv6 And yes this is a private repo. Wouldn't want to give away all the fun stuff we may come up with. Jens -- | Delbrueckstr. 41| 12051 Berlin, Germ

[ipv6-wg] IPv6 resources

Not sure if I send this to this list. Last year I started working in a new IPv6 project and needed a place to collect some links. So here we go: https://gitlab.com/jenslink/ipv6-resources/ Fell free to send merge requests. Jens --

Re: [ipv6-wg] A strange idea

Nico Schottelius writes: Hi, > I'd be up for participating in such an adventure, in terms of > contributing ideas and/or (co-)sponsoring as well. > > The IPv6 train is moving - ch000ch000! I just created a gitlab project. https://gitlab.com/jenslink/advent-of-ipv6 Jens --

Re: [ipv6-wg] Call for IPv6 WG Co-Chair candidates

Raymond Jetten writes: > Dear IPv6 Working Group, > > Jen Linkova, who has been one of the co-chairs of the IPv6 Working Group > since RIPE 69 > > has announced she wishes to step down at the RIPE 88 meeting in > Kraków, at the end of her term. > > Thus, we have a call for candidates. If

[ipv6-wg] A strange idea

Hi, last Monday there was an event by https://www.eco.de titled "IPv6 in Germany - How do we help those who are hesitant?" It was a nice day but unfortunately very few of the hesitant people where there. As I'm also currently working in a rather big IPv6 project IPv6 know how and training is

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 for Dutch email servers

Michael Richardson writes: > A few years ago there was a presentation about getting IPv6 MX setup for > various Dutch entities: Municipalities, Hospitals, etc. I couldn't find this > in the agendas for the past ten RIPE meetings for IPv6. Maybe it was in a > plenary. I think it was

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 for Dutch email servers

Michael Richardson writes: > A few years ago there was a presentation about getting IPv6 MX setup for > various Dutch entities: Municipalities, Hospitals, etc. I couldn't find this > in the agendas for the past ten RIPE meetings for IPv6. Maybe it was in a > plenary. I think it was

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 Guide

Nico Schottelius via ipv6-wg writes: Hi, > For those who want to be involved/know what is going on: gitlab (and > github and so on) has a nice "watch" features that notifies on any > change. so here is a small summary of what you need to participate. As already mentioned the project will use

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 Guide

Nico Schottelius via ipv6-wg writes: > For those who want to be involved/know what is going on: gitlab (and > github and so on) has a nice "watch" features that notifies on any > change. A "how to contribute" document is already on my todo list. > Jens, what do you think about a short, monthly

[ipv6-wg] IPv6 Guide

Hi, about a month ago I was asked on Twitter if I new any good and current books ob IPv6. Apparently there is nothing current[1]. I came up with the idea of starting an OpenSource Guide on IPv6. I created a git repo: https://gitlab.com/jenslink/ipv6guide and also have (sponsored) hardware to run

[ipv6-wg] broken-v6only

Hi, just ran into this on twitter: https://github.com/buraglio/broken-v6only --- A running list of applications and processes that just do not work with the total absence of IPv4 on on a host. Contributions welcome and encouraged. --- Maybe the RIPE community can give more input. Jens --

Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE554-bis

Fernando Gont writes: >> The SEND requirment? No OS I'm aware of does support it and it only >> makes sense when the networking hardware and the OS support it. > > I think SEND is a smart spec/artifact... but I also think that I would > probably have a hard time finding a reason to deploy it.

Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE554-bis

Tim Chown via ipv6-wg writes: Hi, > - Is the linkage to the IPv6 Ready Logo programme still desired? It this still a thing? Haven't heard of it in a long time. > - Are there new classes of equipment to add, e.g. IoT/low power, Probably. Maybe another document? Does it make sense to

Re: [ipv6-wg] Join us for the RIPE NCC Educa::IPv6-only

Bernd Naumann writes: > Try "Browser" I only get "Install flash". Using Firefox and Chromium. Jens -- | Delbrueckstr. 41| 12051 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber:

Re: [ipv6-wg] Join us for the RIPE NCC Educa::IPv6-only

Ondřej Caletka writes: > Expert presenters will talk about what it means to run IPv6-only data > centres, ISPs and enterprises, among other topics. You can view the > agenda at: > https://www.ripe.net/support/training/ripe-ncc-educa/ripe-ncc-educa-ipv6-2020 "Adobe Connect requires Flash Player

Re: [ipv6-wg] Join us for the RIPE NCC Educa::IPv6-only

Philip Homburg writes: > I don't know where to put it, but there may be a benefit for a list that > lists known internet services that do not (or poorly) support IPv6 and with > replacements that do support them. Some time ago I setup a wiki for stuff like that but got abused pretty fast. I'll

Re: [ipv6-wg] Join us for the RIPE NCC Educa::IPv6-only

Ondřej Caletka writes: Hi, > Register at: > https://www.eventbrite.nl/e/ripe-ncceduca-ipv6-only-tickets-106761053184 $ dig www.eventbrite.nl +short $ "IPv6-only" Jens -- | Delbrueckstr. 41| 12051 Berlin,

Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE 80 IPv6 wg session Wilhelms DSL broke, some unanswered questions

Ivan Pepelnjak writes: > What happened to /etc/hosts files? The source of all evil. Or on the other hand: A good way to earn money. I wrote an invoice for looking into /etc/hosts once. > And this has the underlying problem in large development setups where  > the single developer or

Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE 80 IPv6 wg session Wilhelms DSL broke, some unanswered questions

Uros Gaber writes: > Hi all, > > as a developer I can say with some confidence, that a big hurdle is to > use hostname instead of IPs, it's way simpler to use IP during > development than to use hostname where you have to configure DNS > record to do so. and DNS always breaks and is way to

[ipv6-wg] github and IPv6 (was: RIPE80 Call for Presentations)

Andreas Härpfer writes: Hi, > I think in the off-record discussion after her talk Veronika was > also asked about the sad status of Github with regard to IPv6 and > she promised to address this to the appropriate folks within > Microsoft. it's a long an sad story. Many people have asked. Every

Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE80 Call for Presentations

Jen Linkova writes: Hi, > We are looking for talks. COVID-19 does not seem to be a reason good > enough to slow down IPv6 deployments. I suspect it might be a reason > for accelerate them, actually. So stories about 'IPv6 in the Time of > Cholera' (or any other talks about IPv6) are

Re: [ipv6-wg] Can ripemtg SSID promotes NAT64 (at least) during RIPE80 ? :)

Nico Schottelius writes: > I think at RIPE79 there was 1 v6only/nat64 network and 1 dual stack, the > latter being the default. This is the setup for a couple of years and only few people are using it. One of the reasons might be that devices will connect to a known network without any user

Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

Sander Steffann writes: > I would expect such devices mostly in a home network (gaming consoles > etc). On a business meeting network like RIPE the number of IPv4-only > devices is negligible. I guess there will be quite a few devices were people disable IPv6. >> We cannot use DNS64 if we

Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

Philip Homburg writes: > NAT64 is also not attractive from a backward compatibility point of view: At the last meeting Enno talked[1] about plans for a large wireless deployment running v6 only + NAT64 / DNS64. As I know which "Supermarket" Enno is talking about: If this would be deployed in

Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

Dave Taht writes: Dave, > If I can get *one* person in this working group to go down to their > local coffee shop and make ipv6 work by whatever means necessary (and > also fix their bufferbloat) - I'll consider my participation in this > thread a success. you have to be strong now. Your

Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

"S.P.Zeidler" writes: > Given we'll have enterprise walled gardens with v4 inside for a long time, > that indeed will take decades. If you plan projects that span more than > one decade, making sure it's IPv6 capable will at least save you money > in the long run, because enterprise-only

Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

Carlos Friaças via ipv6-wg writes: > Hi Alexander, All, > > Github is now owned by Microsoft. > Someone from Microsoft reading this? Maybe Veronika from Microsoft and > the UK IPv6 Council? > > Cisco: just saw a post from Eric Vyncke. :-)) twitter, slack, amazon, stackexchange, redhat

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Anton Rieger writes: > In the IPv4 net many are scattered (right now) This is good from a security perspective. Confuses the attacker! Jens -- | Delbrueckstr. 41| 12051 Berlin, Germany |

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Jan Zorz - Go6 writes: Jan, > I would like to encourage you to submit a proposal to RIPE PC for a BoF > that would discuss your topic. This is a great idea. I will do so right after finishing this mail > If you get enough like-minded people to the BoF and present the > usefulness of more

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Enno Rey writes: > Hi, > > I support the proposal. Once a protocol has reached mainstream > deployment (as IPv6 has) a dedicated WG might no longer be needed. I > mean, there's no IPv4 WG either, right? > > now back to my day job, full of #IPv6 So you are done with your work and Bjoern can get

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond writes: > Dear Jens, > > you're right. I also think that TCP-IP is unable to cope with today's > Internet traffic and we should use a modern protocol like X.25: the > problem with IPv6 is not the v6 part, it's the IP. Kindest regards, Back to OSI? I like that!

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Riccardo Gori writes: >>> 1. WHY should it have NAT >> NATs are good. They provide security. > > Are you sure you are about networking? People believer this so it must be true.I wont question the believes and wisdom of thousands of networking experts. Jens --

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Carlos Friaças via ipv6-wg writes: > CIDR. > People that thought that terminology to students over the years really > fumbled... years ago? It's till taught. Did a entry level Juniper Certification some time ago and they asked which Class 10.10.10.10 belongs to. Sure CIDR turned 26 last month

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Uros Gaber writes: > On 3 Oct 2019, at 14:03, Job Snijders wrote: >> Even worse, delivering email over ipv6 to the mail giants is a far >> worse experience than via ipv4. More emails arrive when you >> disable ipv6 on your mail servers. > I would say the same experience as long as

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Carlos Friaças via ipv6-wg writes: > Hi, > (Respectfully) > > IPv6 _is_ working. github, stackexchange, twitter, amazon.com As a small test: Try to see if you can get all the packages needed for Linux from Scratch on an IPv6 only host (with out any form of NAT / proxy). There was as

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Andreas Härpfer writes: >> On 3. Oct 2019, at 13:16, Antonio Prado via ipv6-wg wrote: > No worries, looking at the headers and seeing that nearly all > received-by mail hops in the original mail use IPv6 addresses > -- and considering that IPv6 doesn't work anyway -- the whole > email

Re: [ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Uros Gaber writes: > 1. WHY should it have NAT NATs are good. They provide security. > 2. What do you understand under class, IPv4 "Classes" are just defined > subnet groups (simply put) Things need names. Numbers are hard to remember. We have Class-A for /8, Class-B for /16 and Class-C for

[ipv6-wg] Disband IPv6 WG

Hi, after now almost 12 years using, working and teaching[1] IPv6 I've come to the conclusion that IPv6 is a mistake and will not work. Therefore the RIPE IPv6 WG should be disbanded and replaced with a new WG that MUST investigate all possible solutions to artificially prolong the live of IPv4

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 WG chair election

Jetten Raymond writes: > However, I’m very willing to stand for re-election, and serve another > term as IPv6 WG co-chair, which I hope you all find a good idea. +1 from my side. Jens -- | Delbrueckstr. 41|

Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 cloud!

Ivan Pepelnjak writes: > The problem is often internal networking. Every large cloud provider > probably wrote their own overlay networking implementation, and would > have to reimplement it for IPv6 I can't hear it anymore. Sometimes IT is a world full of surprises and

Re: [ipv6-wg] ipv6-wg Digest, Vol 55, Issue 2

Benedikt Stockebrand writes: > They used AWS/S3 for some relevant stuff, and since it was done > externally it wasn't properly QAed. When Amazon switched IPv6 off > again, they had a little bit of an issue. We only found out kind of > accidentially, especially so

Re: [ipv6-wg] ipv6-wg Digest, Vol 55, Issue 2

Benedikt Stockebrand writes: Hi, >> Well many content providers / startups use "the cloud". No IPv6 there, >> no content. > > Stopitstopitstopitstopit! Seriously. Several people told me "If AWS doesn't offer IPv6 we don't need IPv6." On the other hand someone told me

Re: [ipv6-wg] ipv6-wg Digest, Vol 55, Issue 2

Benedikt Stockebrand writes: Hi, >> And may I add cloud providers? > > No, you may not. Definitely not. Go away. And take those enterprises > using them as a cheap CDN with you... Well many content providers / startups use "the cloud". No IPv6 there, no content. >

Re: [ipv6-wg] [atlas] What to do with RIPE Atlas probes that have only a ULA as IPv6 address?

Peter Koch p...@denic.de writes: Atlas should be used as an Internet measurement tool, not as a reconnaissance mechanism for the hosts' networks. ULA only equals no IPv6 in my opinion. I think it might be interesting to see what breaks (and what not) when ULA and some form of address