Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Thanks Tim.  That makes more sense, though it is interesting that you 
would hear 4QD on a north facing antenna, though I guess 4QD might 
still just be in the forward lobe of the DKaz.  Perhaps it's just 
that the BOGs don't work as well "over the shoulder" at the higher frequencies.


best wishes,

Nick





 At 01:54 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:

Nick,

For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).

The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!

73,
-Tim


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned that
> during the IRCA convention.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
>> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
>> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
>> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
>> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
>> UTC
>> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
>> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Tromp
>> West Michigan
>> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Volodya S
Sorry, Nick, I don't recall.   We haven't repeated the DKAZ's since, as far
as I can recall...Walt

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:36 AM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> Bruce Conti might be the one to ask about comparisons, but I don't
> know if he's on the list.
>
> We used both a Beverage and a DKaz in 2016 when I was at PEI, but I
> don't recall any formal comparisons being made.   The Beverage
> initially had some noise ingress problems, so the DKaz was used more
> at first.   I don't recall the DKaz being particularly deaf on the
> low band, but then TA's in PEI are a bit beefier than TPs on the west
> coast.
>
> Walt Salmaniw. was there also, perhaps he has better
> recollection.   And, of course, there may well be files tucked away
> somewhere also.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
> At 02:06 2018-09-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've never been anywhere near happy
> >with a 160' DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In
> >direct comparisons with Beverages, there was no contest at all.
> >
> >
> >I wonder if the PEI group has done a comparison?
> >
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:54 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018
> >
> >Nick,
> >
> >For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
> >roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
> >direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
> >catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
> >signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I
> may
> >see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).
> >
> >The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
> >is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
> >powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
> >good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!
> >
> >73,
> >-Tim
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a
> DKaz
> > > with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned
> that
> > > during the IRCA convention.
> > >
> > > best wishes,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
> > >
> > >> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702,
> 738
> > >> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
> > >> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music,
> but
> > >> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.
> 3WV
> > >> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at
> 11:32
> > >> UTC
> > >> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers
> also
> > >> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >> Tim Tromp
> > >> West Michigan
> > >> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Bruce Conti might be the one to ask about comparisons, but I don't 
know if he's on the list.


We used both a Beverage and a DKaz in 2016 when I was at PEI, but I 
don't recall any formal comparisons being made.   The Beverage 
initially had some noise ingress problems, so the DKaz was used more 
at first.   I don't recall the DKaz being particularly deaf on the 
low band, but then TA's in PEI are a bit beefier than TPs on the west coast.


Walt Salmaniw. was there also, perhaps he has better 
recollection.   And, of course, there may well be files tucked away 
somewhere also.


best wishes,

Nick


At 02:06 2018-09-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've never been anywhere near happy 
with a 160' DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In 
direct comparisons with Beverages, there was no contest at all.



I wonder if the PEI group has done a comparison?


Chuck





From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp 


Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:54 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

Nick,

For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).

The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!

73,
-Tim


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned that
> during the IRCA convention.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
>> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
>> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
>> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
>> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
>> UTC
>> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
>> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Tromp
>> West Michigan
>> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Volodya S
Chuck, in Masset, my go to antenna is ALWAYS the BOG.  I'll frequently put
up a DKAZ as well, but it's more of a niche antenna, aimed specifically to
NZ/Australia compared to W BOG, but the signals received are nothing in
comparison.  Loads and loads more with the BOG, but not an exact A/B
comparison due to different directions.   73,  Walt

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:06 AM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've never been anywhere near happy with a
> 160' DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In direct
> comparisons with Beverages, there was no contest at all.
>
>
> I wonder if the PEI group has done a comparison?
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp <
> kilok...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:54 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018
>
> Nick,
>
> For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
> roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
> direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
> catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
> signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
> see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).
>
> The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
> is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
> powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
> good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!
>
> 73,
> -Tim
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
>
> > I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> > with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned
> that
> > during the IRCA convention.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
> >
> >> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702,
> 738
> >> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
> >> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music,
> but
> >> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
> >> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
> >> UTC
> >> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
> >> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Tim Tromp
> >> West Michigan
> >> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread R. Colin Newell
I’ll always remember doing a DXped with Nick, Bruce Portzer and others at 
Sombrio beach near Jordan River... on Vancouver Island - in 1979 or 1980 
1000+ feet Beverages pointed across the Pacific... TP’s still being received 2 
hours after sunrise... Aussies swamping locals... good times... 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:
> 
> Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've  never been anywhere near happy with a 160' 
> DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In direct comparisons 
> with Beverages, there was no contest at all.
> 
> 
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Chuck Hutton
Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've never been anywhere near happy with a 160' 
DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In direct comparisons with 
Beverages, there was no contest at all.


I wonder if the PEI group has done a comparison?


Chuck





From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:54 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

Nick,

For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).

The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!

73,
-Tim


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned that
> during the IRCA convention.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
>> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
>> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
>> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
>> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
>> UTC
>> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
>> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Tromp
>> West Michigan
>> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Tim Tromp
Nick,

For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).

The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!

73,
-Tim


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned that
> during the IRCA convention.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
>> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
>> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
>> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
>> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
>> UTC
>> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
>> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Tromp
>> West Michigan
>> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread R. Colin Newell
I was late to the game this AM on - 1355 on for about 10 Minutes... a more 
subdued version o’ yesterday here on the windy west coast. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Tim Tromp  wrote:
> 
> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32 UTC
> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
> 
> 73,
> Tim Tromp
> West Michigan
> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a 
DKaz with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think 
someone  mentioned that during the IRCA convention.


best wishes,

Nick



At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:

Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32 UTC
this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
noted on 693, 729, and 747.

73,
Tim Tromp
West Michigan
Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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[IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

2018-09-22 Thread Tim Tromp
Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32 UTC
this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
noted on 693, 729, and 747.

73,
Tim Tromp
West Michigan
Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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