Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Obviously I didn't understand your problem. Let's take another approach. What would be required for thing to be right from your point of view? Paulo - Original Message - From: "Brian Chappell" To: "'Post all your questions about iText here'" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? I can see I'm wasting my time here. -Original Message- From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] Sent: 08 December 2009 8:43 AM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? You are talking about code that's still in the SVN, it's not released yet, it's unfinished, it may not even compile. When it's released it will have the assemby info 5.0.0. Paulo -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
I can see I'm wasting my time here. -Original Message- From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] Sent: 08 December 2009 8:43 AM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? You are talking about code that's still in the SVN, it's not released yet, it's unfinished, it may not even compile. When it's released it will have the assemby info 5.0.0. Paulo -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Hi all, Even if this isn't a voting subject and it's about a desision already made, I couldn't resist to comment the following lines from Bruno: >> Also the fact that some companies "demanded" that I solved issues for free during the year my son had Cancer. That was a hard confrontation with reality: everybody was making money with iText except the original creators. Furthermore there was also the F/OSS unfriendly attitude of the Belgian Government (who is taxing me to death). >> iText as an MPL/LGPL library had become an anachronism. Moving to the AGPL was the only way to survive (or die). I totally agree with above words and I believe the turn to AGPL was not only fair, but alltogether justified, from what I 've learned following through the forum activities (since I 've bought the book 2 years ago). Thanks once again Bruno for the excellent original work with iText. I wait for the new second edition.. George -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Silent-license-change--tp26645506p26691652.html Sent from the iText - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
You are talking about code that's still in the SVN, it's not released yet, it's unfinished, it may not even compile. When it's released it will have the assemby info 5.0.0. Paulo - Original Message - From: "Brian Chappell" To: "'Post all your questions about iText here'" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? Sorry Paulo, but what do you mean you don't see where there's doubt? You have the potential of multiple DLLs all reporting 4.1.6 as their version and no way of telling if it's a LGPL/MPL or and AGPL licensed release unless you are working from the source. That's confusion to me. The announcement was that 5.0.0 and on would be AGPL yet 4.1.6 SVN revision 99 to 106 (at least) has had the license changed from LGPL/MPL to AGPL. I'm not against the change of license, it's your software you do what you want, but I do need to have a clear understanding of what version is licensed how and when so that I can make sure I'm in compliance until your sales team get around to contacting me. -Original Message- From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] Sent: 07 December 2009 3:31 PM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? >From version 99 onward is AGPL as written in the log "Change of license to AGPL and removal of a mail address." and as written in all the files, I don't see where's the doubt. The next release will be tomorrow and it will be 5.0.0 and AGPL. With the next release the assembly info will change to 5.0.0. Paulo -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/ -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Vesa Jääskeläinen wrote: > Oh. And if you really want to sell the 5.0 you might want to reconsider > publishing pricing on the web... We started preparing the move to AGPL a long time ago, and we knew in advance that, even with a "big bang" approach, it would take several months to finalize the migration. The same goes for people who want to migrate from iText 2.1.7 to iText 5.0.0: it's not something you can do overnight. We chose to do this in December, because this is typically a "slow month". It's our experience that, with the year-end in sight, people postpone decisions, and we are waiting to put the "definitive" price list on line until we've completed the migration. If you want to have an idea of pricing right at an earlier date, please contact sales at itextpdf.com -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Brian Chappell wrote: > Sorry Paulo, but what do you mean you don't see where there's doubt? You > have the potential of multiple DLLs all reporting 4.1.6 as their version and > no way of telling if it's a LGPL/MPL or and AGPL licensed release unless you > are working from the source. That's confusion to me. The announcement was > that 5.0.0 and on would be AGPL yet 4.1.6 SVN revision 99 to 106 (at least) > has had the license changed from LGPL/MPL to AGPL. We started preparing the move to AGPL a long time ago, and we knew in advance that, even with a "big bang" approach, it would take several months to finalize the migration. The same goes for people who want to migrate from iText 2.1.7 to iText 5.0.0: it's not something you can do overnight. We chose to do this in December, because this is typically a "slow month". It's our experience that, with the year-end in sight, people postpone decisions. -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Sorry Paulo, but what do you mean you don't see where there's doubt? You have the potential of multiple DLLs all reporting 4.1.6 as their version and no way of telling if it's a LGPL/MPL or and AGPL licensed release unless you are working from the source. That's confusion to me. The announcement was that 5.0.0 and on would be AGPL yet 4.1.6 SVN revision 99 to 106 (at least) has had the license changed from LGPL/MPL to AGPL. I'm not against the change of license, it's your software you do what you want, but I do need to have a clear understanding of what version is licensed how and when so that I can make sure I'm in compliance until your sales team get around to contacting me. -Original Message- From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] Sent: 07 December 2009 3:31 PM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? >From version 99 onward is AGPL as written in the log "Change of license to AGPL and removal of a mail address." and as written in all the files, I don't see where's the doubt. The next release will be tomorrow and it will be 5.0.0 and AGPL. With the next release the assembly info will change to 5.0.0. Paulo -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Hi, Do you mind making iTextSharp 4.1.7 or 4.2.0 or what ever version of the svn revision 98. That would make life a bit easier for us maintaining old software if there is release for the last LGPL+MPL version license. License change for other projects matching the AGPL ain't that pretty task at this time. I was kinda waiting for those my small patches to come to official release. And if you are not. What is the preferred version number for that revision? 4.1.6.98 ? Oh. And if you really want to sell the 5.0 you might want to reconsider publishing pricing on the web... Thanks, Vesa Jääskeläinen Paulo Soares wrote: > From version 99 onward is AGPL as written in the log "Change of license to > AGPL and removal of a mail address." and as written in all the files, I don't > see where's the doubt. The next release will be tomorrow and it will be 5.0.0 > and AGPL. With the next release the assembly info will change to 5.0.0. > > Paulo > >> -Original Message- >> From: Brian Chappell [mailto:br...@orcamediauk.co.uk] >> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:23 PM >> To: 'Post all your questions about iText here' >> Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? >> >> Thanks for that clarification Paulo, it does leave me a >> little confused >> however. >> >> If you pull the 106 revision (or in fact any revision after 98) the >> AssemblyInfo still states a version of 4.1.6 but the license >> in each file is >> AGPL as is the License indicated in the Develop tab of whole >> the project. >> More than a little confusing, until that version number >> changes isn't this >> still 4.1.6? The revision may have changed but the published >> version number >> has remained the same. Where does this leave 4.1.6 rev 106? >> Is it LGPL/MPL >> or is the source supposed to be 5.0.0 and is AGPL? >> >> Maybe a branch would be the better way to get the 5.0.0 tree underway. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] >> Sent: 07 December 2009 12:48 PM >> To: Post all your questions about iText here >> Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? >> >> 4.1.6/4.2.0 will stay LGPL/MPL forever, it's not possible to >> change licenses >> retroactively. Newer versions will be AGPL. >> >> Paulo > > > Aviso Legal: > > Esta mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao destinatário. Pode conter > informação confidencial ou legalmente protegida. A incorrecta transmissão > desta mensagem não significa a perca de confidencialidade. Se esta mensagem > for recebida por engano, por favor envie-a de volta para o remetente e > apague-a do seu sistema de imediato. É proibido a qualquer pessoa que não o > destinatário de usar, revelar ou distribuir qualquer parte desta mensagem. > > > > Disclaimer: > > This message is destined exclusively to the intended receiver. It may contain > confidential or legally protected information. The incorrect transmission of > this message does not mean the loss of its confidentiality. If this message > is received by mistake, please send it back to the sender and delete it from > your system immediately. It is forbidden to any person who is not the > intended receiver to use, distribute or copy any part of this message. > > > > > > > > -- > Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, > a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. > Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev > > > > > ___ > iText-questions mailing list > iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions > > Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php > Check the site with examples before you ask questions: > http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ > You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/ -- Return on Information: Google Enterprise Search pays you back Get the facts. http://p.sf.net/sfu/google-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
From version 99 onward is AGPL as written in the log "Change of license to AGPL and removal of a mail address." and as written in all the files, I don't see where's the doubt. The next release will be tomorrow and it will be 5.0.0 and AGPL. With the next release the assembly info will change to 5.0.0. Paulo > -Original Message- > From: Brian Chappell [mailto:br...@orcamediauk.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:23 PM > To: 'Post all your questions about iText here' > Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? > > Thanks for that clarification Paulo, it does leave me a > little confused > however. > > If you pull the 106 revision (or in fact any revision after 98) the > AssemblyInfo still states a version of 4.1.6 but the license > in each file is > AGPL as is the License indicated in the Develop tab of whole > the project. > More than a little confusing, until that version number > changes isn't this > still 4.1.6? The revision may have changed but the published > version number > has remained the same. Where does this leave 4.1.6 rev 106? > Is it LGPL/MPL > or is the source supposed to be 5.0.0 and is AGPL? > > Maybe a branch would be the better way to get the 5.0.0 tree underway. > > -Original Message- > From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] > Sent: 07 December 2009 12:48 PM > To: Post all your questions about iText here > Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? > > 4.1.6/4.2.0 will stay LGPL/MPL forever, it's not possible to > change licenses > retroactively. Newer versions will be AGPL. > > Paulo Aviso Legal: Esta mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao destinatário. Pode conter informação confidencial ou legalmente protegida. A incorrecta transmissão desta mensagem não significa a perca de confidencialidade. Se esta mensagem for recebida por engano, por favor envie-a de volta para o remetente e apague-a do seu sistema de imediato. É proibido a qualquer pessoa que não o destinatário de usar, revelar ou distribuir qualquer parte desta mensagem. Disclaimer: This message is destined exclusively to the intended receiver. It may contain confidential or legally protected information. The incorrect transmission of this message does not mean the loss of its confidentiality. If this message is received by mistake, please send it back to the sender and delete it from your system immediately. It is forbidden to any person who is not the intended receiver to use, distribute or copy any part of this message. -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Thanks for that clarification Paulo, it does leave me a little confused however. If you pull the 106 revision (or in fact any revision after 98) the AssemblyInfo still states a version of 4.1.6 but the license in each file is AGPL as is the License indicated in the Develop tab of whole the project. More than a little confusing, until that version number changes isn't this still 4.1.6? The revision may have changed but the published version number has remained the same. Where does this leave 4.1.6 rev 106? Is it LGPL/MPL or is the source supposed to be 5.0.0 and is AGPL? Maybe a branch would be the better way to get the 5.0.0 tree underway. -Original Message- From: Paulo Soares [mailto:psoa...@glintt.com] Sent: 07 December 2009 12:48 PM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? 4.1.6/4.2.0 will stay LGPL/MPL forever, it's not possible to change licenses retroactively. Newer versions will be AGPL. Paulo -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Brian Chappell wrote: > Was the intent to change the license for the 4.1.6/4.2.0 as well? Version 5 of iTextSharp will also be AGPL. > I notice > that the source on sourceforge now includes the AGPL license rather than the > LGPL/MPL as before. Was that deliberate or accidental? Where did you look? The project is now AGPL, but the license of the old versions remains. > Should we read that > previous versions of iTextSharp are now no longer compatible with those > earlier licenses. Versions dating from before 4.2.0 are MPL/LGPL. Version 4.2.0 was never officially released. It's an intermediate release to prepare for version 5. -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
4.1.6/4.2.0 will stay LGPL/MPL forever, it's not possible to change licenses retroactively. Newer versions will be AGPL. Paulo > -Original Message- > From: Brian Chappell [mailto:br...@orcamediauk.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:41 PM > To: 'Post all your questions about iText here' > Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? > > Was the intent to change the license for the 4.1.6/4.2.0 as > well? I notice > that the source on sourceforge now includes the AGPL license > rather than the > LGPL/MPL as before. Was that deliberate or accidental? Should > we read that > previous versions of iTextSharp are now no longer compatible > with those > earlier licenses. > > Regards, > Brian Aviso Legal: Esta mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao destinatário. Pode conter informação confidencial ou legalmente protegida. A incorrecta transmissão desta mensagem não significa a perca de confidencialidade. Se esta mensagem for recebida por engano, por favor envie-a de volta para o remetente e apague-a do seu sistema de imediato. É proibido a qualquer pessoa que não o destinatário de usar, revelar ou distribuir qualquer parte desta mensagem. Disclaimer: This message is destined exclusively to the intended receiver. It may contain confidential or legally protected information. The incorrect transmission of this message does not mean the loss of its confidentiality. If this message is received by mistake, please send it back to the sender and delete it from your system immediately. It is forbidden to any person who is not the intended receiver to use, distribute or copy any part of this message. -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
martijn.list wrote: > 1T3XT info wrote: > > [snip] >> BUT: as soon as you develop commercial activities with the new iText, >> you'll have to pay a fee to be released from the AGPL restrictions. > [snip] >> As soon as you expect to make money with your product, you'll need >> to pay a fee. That's fair isn't it? iText isn't "free beer" ;-) > > AFAIK that's not completely true. You can make money with an open source > project even if it's using an AGPLv3 licensed library without having to > pay a license fee to the owner of the AGPLv3 library. The only > obligation is that your complete project will be AGPLv3 licensed. You > cannot create a closed source project when you use AGPLv3 licensed code. That was what I meant. Thanks for the clarification. But as soon as you want to remove the AGPL from iText, for instance in the context of dual licensing, you or the customer that wants to be released of the restrictions of the AGPL has to buy a license. -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Was the intent to change the license for the 4.1.6/4.2.0 as well? I notice that the source on sourceforge now includes the AGPL license rather than the LGPL/MPL as before. Was that deliberate or accidental? Should we read that previous versions of iTextSharp are now no longer compatible with those earlier licenses. Regards, Brian -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
1T3XT info wrote: [snip] > BUT: as soon as you develop commercial activities with the new iText, > you'll have to pay a fee to be released from the AGPL restrictions. [snip] > As soon as you expect to make money with your product, you'll need > to pay a fee. That's fair isn't it? iText isn't "free beer" ;-) AFAIK that's not completely true. You can make money with an open source project even if it's using an AGPLv3 licensed library without having to pay a license fee to the owner of the AGPLv3 library. The only obligation is that your complete project will be AGPLv3 licensed. You cannot create a closed source project when you use AGPLv3 licensed code. Martijn -- Djigzo open source email encryption -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Wain, Matthew wrote: > What effect will that have on existing user's using older versions of iText > code in there current commercial projects/products? The older versions will no longer be supported, and will eventually die. Starting a new project with an old iText version is like investing in VHS cassettes when everybody starts using Blue-Ray disks. > What effect will it have using the latest iText (v5 or whatever) in any > future * products/projects? > i.e. Will we need to pay for it? No, as long as you make the source code of your products/projects available for free as AGPL software, you don't have to pay anything. BUT: as soon as you develop commercial activities with the new iText, you'll have to pay a fee to be released from the AGPL restrictions. I see that you're working for a governmental organization. This means you probably won't develop any commercial activities, so it will be sufficient if you make sure the users of your project/product have a way to get the source code. I quote the AGPL: "For example, if your program is a web application, its interface could display a "Source" link that leads users to an archive of the code." > I don't want to get into a situation where I recommend switching all our code > to iText from ManyImage (IBM) > to find out we are financially tied in without realising it. If your project is Free Software, then you don't have any financial obligation. That's what Free Software is about. As soon as you expect to make money with your product, you'll need to pay a fee. That's fair isn't it? iText isn't "free beer" ;-) Before you ask: I can't give you a concrete price for an iText license, because that depends entirely on your use of iText. Contact info for sales inquiries can be found here: http://itextpdf.com/contact.php It's obvious that a small company using iText to create online invoices for its customers won't have to pay as much Google will have to pay if they decide to upgrade iText in Google Analytics, Google Calendar, Google Docs, etc... -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Sorry for my naivety on this. What effect will that have on existing user's using older versions of iText code in there current commercial projects/products? What effect will it have using the latest iText (v5 or whatever) in any future * products/projects? i.e. Will we need to pay for it? *Obviously NOT pretending to pass it off as our own code! I don't want to get into a situation where I recommend switching all our code to iText from ManyImage (IBM) to find out we are financially tied in without realising it. (I'm not really familiar with software licenses to be completely honest *shame*). Matthew -Original Message- From: Mark Storer [mailto:msto...@autonomy.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 17:57 To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change? I'd thought there was an announcement, but I get the dev list as well and might be getting my wires crossed. gmane to the rescue: There are a couple mentions of iText using AGPL going forward hither and yon, but nothing OVERT. Bruno will want to make some official announcment, but he's rather busy Actually Writing Code right now. Here's a completely **unofficial** announcement: The next major release of iText will undergo several Big Changes: 1) The version number will jump (to 5.0?), and both java and c# versions will henceforth share the same version. This is both a Sanity Thing and an effort to reflect other significant changes. 2) MPL/LGPL will be dropped in favor of AGPL. The last MPL/LGPL version of the source is iText 4.20, here: http://itext.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/itext/tags/iText_4_2_0/ (yes, iText 420... har har dude) Yes, the existance of iTextSoftware.com (and the effort to make some money on many years of hard work) influenced this decision. 3) All non-PDF code will be moved into separate projects. 4) All the "trunk" stuff is currently being moved (as we speak, see aforementioned "Actually Writing Code" comment) into a new package, "com.itextpdf.*". THIS WILL BREAK BINARY COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING CODE. Given the licensing change, this isn't such a bad thing. Previous users will need to make a Conscious Decision to switch versions, not just drop in a new JAR file. 5) iText will be built using java 1.5. Expect 1.5-isms (generics in particular) to creep their way into the source, though I'm not aware of any major effort to update en mass. --Mark Storer Senior Software Engineer Cardiff.com #include typedef std::Disclaimer DisCard; > -Original Message- > From: Vesa Jääskeläinen [mailto:ch...@nic.fi] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:30 AM > To: iText questions > Subject: [iText-questions] Silent license change? > > > It seems that 1st of December 2009 iText license has been silently > changed from MPL+LGPL to AGPL. > > Does this mean that iTextSharp will also be switching to > AGPL? Currently > being in MPL+LGPL. > > Eg. So if one wants to use iTextSharp/iText library under Mozilla or > LPGL license one has to fork the project from 30 Nov 2009? > > -- > > Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, > a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. > Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev > ___ > iText-questions mailing list > iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions > > Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php > Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/ -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/ This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation’s IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatica
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Brian Chappell wrote: > Which version of the AGPL is going to be used? http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html This is a free software, copyleft license. Its terms effectively consist of the terms of GPLv3, with an additional paragraph in section 13 to allow users who interact with the licensed software over a network to receive the source for that program. We recommend that developers consider using the GNU AGPL for any software which will commonly be run over a network. Please note that the GNU AGPL is not compatible with GPLv2. It is also technically not compatible with GPLv3 in a strict sense: you cannot take code released under the GNU AGPL and convey or modify it however you like under the terms of GPLv3, or vice versa. However, you are allowed to combine separate modules or source files released under both of those licenses in a single project, which will provide many programmers with all the permission they need to make the programs they want. See section 13 of both licenses for details. -- This answer is provided by 1T3XT BVBA http://www.1t3xt.com/ - http://www.1t3xt.info -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Which version of the AGPL is going to be used? -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
Mark Storer wrote: > There are a couple mentions of iText using AGPL going forward hither and yon, > but nothing OVERT. Yes, it has been mentioned a couple of times. > Bruno will want to make some official announcment, but he's rather busy > Actually Writing Code right now. The release is scheduled for December 6. But I still have some work on the book and the new site: http://itextpdf.com/ > The next major release of iText will undergo several Big Changes: > 1) The version number will jump (to 5.0?), and both java and c# versions will > henceforth share the same version. > This is both a Sanity Thing and an effort to reflect other significant changes. Correct. > 2) MPL/LGPL will be dropped in favor of AGPL. The last MPL/LGPL version of > the source is iText 4.20, here: > http://itext.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/itext/tags/iText_4_2_0/ Correct; this "big jump" was made because the latest version of iTextSharp was 4.1.6. From now on iText and iTextSharp have the same release number. > Yes, the existance of iTextSoftware.com > (and the effort to make some money on many years of hard work) influenced > this decision. Also the fact that some companies "demanded" that I solved issues for free during the year my son had Cancer. That was a hard confrontation with reality: everybody was making money with iText except the original creators. Furthermore there was also the F/OSS unfriendly attitude of the Belgian Government (who is taxing me to death). iText as an MPL/LGPL library had become an anachronism. Moving to the AGPL was the only way to survive (or die). > 3) All non-PDF code will be moved into separate projects. Correct, see for instance: http://sourceforge.net/projects/itextrtf/ > 4) All the "trunk" stuff is currently being moved (as we speak, > see aforementioned "Actually Writing Code" comment) into a new package, "com.itextpdf.*". THIS WILL BREAK BINARY COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING CODE. Given the licensing change, this isn't such a bad thing. Previous users will need to make a Conscious Decision to switch versions, not just drop in a new JAR file. Correct. This avoids possible legal issues: companies using iText 5 and infringing the AGPL, can't say they "didn't know" the license had changed because they had to change com.lowagie into com.itextpdf. The same goes for people who infringe the IP by making a commercial fork: it's a deliberate choice, not something that happens accidentally. > 5) iText will be built using java 1.5. Expect 1.5-isms > (generics in particular) to creep their way into the source, > though I'm not aware of any major effort to update en mass. Java 5 is already "end of life", but I didn't want to jump from JDK 1.4 to Java 6; hence the choice for Java 5. I'm waiting to see how this move is accepted, and how many users still depend on JDK 1.4 before I do a massive update. best regards, Bruno -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
Re: [iText-questions] Silent license change?
I'd thought there was an announcement, but I get the dev list as well and might be getting my wires crossed. gmane to the rescue: There are a couple mentions of iText using AGPL going forward hither and yon, but nothing OVERT. Bruno will want to make some official announcment, but he's rather busy Actually Writing Code right now. Here's a completely **unofficial** announcement: The next major release of iText will undergo several Big Changes: 1) The version number will jump (to 5.0?), and both java and c# versions will henceforth share the same version. This is both a Sanity Thing and an effort to reflect other significant changes. 2) MPL/LGPL will be dropped in favor of AGPL. The last MPL/LGPL version of the source is iText 4.20, here: http://itext.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/itext/tags/iText_4_2_0/ (yes, iText 420... har har dude) Yes, the existance of iTextSoftware.com (and the effort to make some money on many years of hard work) influenced this decision. 3) All non-PDF code will be moved into separate projects. 4) All the "trunk" stuff is currently being moved (as we speak, see aforementioned "Actually Writing Code" comment) into a new package, "com.itextpdf.*". THIS WILL BREAK BINARY COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING CODE. Given the licensing change, this isn't such a bad thing. Previous users will need to make a Conscious Decision to switch versions, not just drop in a new JAR file. 5) iText will be built using java 1.5. Expect 1.5-isms (generics in particular) to creep their way into the source, though I'm not aware of any major effort to update en mass. --Mark Storer Senior Software Engineer Cardiff.com #include typedef std::Disclaimer DisCard; > -Original Message- > From: Vesa Jääskeläinen [mailto:ch...@nic.fi] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:30 AM > To: iText questions > Subject: [iText-questions] Silent license change? > > > It seems that 1st of December 2009 iText license has been silently > changed from MPL+LGPL to AGPL. > > Does this mean that iTextSharp will also be switching to > AGPL? Currently > being in MPL+LGPL. > > Eg. So if one wants to use iTextSharp/iText library under Mozilla or > LPGL license one has to fork the project from 30 Nov 2009? > > -- > > Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, > a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. > Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev > ___ > iText-questions mailing list > iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions > > Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php > Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/ -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions Buy the iText book: http://www.1t3xt.com/docs/book.php Check the site with examples before you ask questions: http://www.1t3xt.info/examples/ You can also search the keywords list: http://1t3xt.info/tutorials/keywords/
