[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
Welcome to the list! Answer 1: There is a free dictionary/thesaurus available from http://wordweb.info Answer 2: There is no need to integrate Nextup voices since they're SAPI-compliant. Hope that helps, and welcome again to this list! On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:21:14 -0600, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all. Ifigured I should take advantage of all jaws had to offer so decided to join the list. I'm glad to be here! Well, I have a first question: does anyone know of any web or software dictionaries that are screen reader compatible or are self-voicing? Also, will thosenextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like thevoices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* Thanks Keep on rockin' in the free world! Chris (Chrissie) Christopher Hallsworth Skype name chrishallsworth7266 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 17/02/2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
Good point my friend for sure. It would naturally take a lot more horse power to operate a very human sounding voice as apposed to something that was out 20 years ago. Thanks for stating it so clearly. We just make the best of what is available to us and that's all we can do. That's why this list exists, to help each other out. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 17/02/2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
Personally, I think Eloquence is tops. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 17/02/2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
If you're referring to responsiveness then I agree completely. Compared to the voices computers were using back in 1989 when I first got started Eloquence is a world apart. Thanks for your feed back and I've noticed you have a new email address as well. Do you need me to remove the old address for you or did you unsubscribe it before making the change over? David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Personally, I think Eloquence is tops. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
The JAWS implementation of Eloquence could be improved in minor ways, like lengthening the punctuation pauses to make them sound more likea natural reader. This would make it more comfortable for the user reading longer documents. It would also make it possible for the user to increase the speech rate a good deal more than at present, while maintaining speech comprehension. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 17/02/2007 __ NOD32 2068 (20070218) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
I'm all set, thanks. I changed the address already. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list If you're referring to responsiveness then I agree completely. Compared to the voices computers were using back in 1989 when I first got started Eloquence is a world apart. Thanks for your feed back and I've noticed you have a new email address as well. Do you need me to remove the old address for you or did you unsubscribe it before making the change over? David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Personally, I think Eloquence is tops. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years
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Hey Chris, I use the below link alot and it works great with JAWS. www.dictionary.com See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] glad to be on the list Hi all. Ifigured I should take advantage of all jaws had to offer so decided to join the list. I'm glad to be here! Well, I have a first question: does anyone know of any web or software dictionaries that are screen reader compatible or are self-voicing? Also, will thosenextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like thevoices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* Thanks Keep on rockin' in the free world! Chris (Chrissie) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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so if I download the nextup voices, how do I choose them instead of normal elequence? And word web I got that but can't figure out how to use it with jaws. I was using jaws 7.whatever the upgraded jaws 7. How do you get jaws to read the whole screen and all the dialogue boxes etc.? It looked like a good program and I was really wanting it to be user friendly. Peace, Chris - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:30 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Welcome to the list! Answer 1: There is a free dictionary/thesaurus available from http://wordweb.info Answer 2: There is no need to integrate Nextup voices since they're SAPI-compliant. Hope that helps, and welcome again to this list! On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:21:14 -0600, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all. Ifigured I should take advantage of all jaws had to offer so decided to join the list. I'm glad to be here! Well, I have a first question: does anyone know of any web or software dictionaries that are screen reader compatible or are self-voicing? Also, will thosenextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like thevoices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* Thanks Keep on rockin' in the free world! Chris (Chrissie) Christopher Hallsworth Skype name chrishallsworth7266 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I found out about those voices viaUSA Games. Thomas the programmer uses them and I really like their sound. Now all I have to do is access them. Are there people like me on the list who are yet not proficient in jjaws or am I an anomoly? I don't mind being that, but don't want to burden you all. One last question: do youknow what anti-virus software works well with jaws? I was going to use avg free edition but my sister feels better if I pay for something. Macafee? I heard of nod32 but don't knowhow well it works, defeats worms trojans viruses...sounds like it'll kick spyware out of the water. Does it do pop up blocking or spam killing? And is it's liscence renewable? If it's not good what progs work well with Jaws? Hey, have an awesome day! - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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so with jaws 8 you get those on cd? They never shipped mine...I updated via the internet so never got the tutorial too. I'll give Freedom a call. So if they're on a seperate cd how would I get them as defalt? And I won't have to pay for them like I would at nextup's website? I wish more technologies were compatible. Microsoft's Sappi voices are kinda alright but att's sound so much morehuman!!! Though my girlfirend was messing around and made jaws speak in foreign languages...and wow he can sound so fluid and more expressive. *smiles* He's kinda a dullard in American English. LOL Thank you all for everything. I truly appreciate it. Chris - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yes, more pauses in punctuation would improve things in long reading...I like that suggestion. Elequence is fairly good at rising and lowering in sentences but things like thatare what make it more rich. If I have to listen to my computer most of every day, I want it to have some slight personality. But you are right, usability should take the forefront. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hey, thanks for the link Scooter. - Original Message - From: Donnie Parrett To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Hey Chris, I use the below link alot and it works great with JAWS. www.dictionary.com See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] glad to be on the list Hi all. Ifigured I should take advantage of all jaws had to offer so decided to join the list. I'm glad to be here! Well, I have a first question: does anyone know of any web or software dictionaries that are screen reader compatible or are self-voicing? Also, will thosenextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like thevoices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* Thanks Keep on rockin' in the free world! Chris (Chrissie) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
