Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available
Hi Eric, Glad my laptop could be of help. Thanks to you and Carl and others for your speedy work in identifying and resolving this. Nancy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eric Damery Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:46 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available Hello List, I wanted to take a minute to explain the problem which several customers ran into after upgrading to the December update of JAWS 14. For those of you who experienced the issue, it showed itself in a few different ways but for most, trying to read the JAWS UI, or JAWS generated lists like the system tray, links, and so on, would fail to read after installing the update. We were able to get a computer from a local customer that had the issue, was willing to work with us and lend us his computer so we could determine what was happening. As luck would have it, a list member many of you know, Nancy Feldman also had the problem on her laptop and she was in town attending a scripting class here at Freedom Scientific. Using her computer, the developers were able to verify the problem they discovered and confirm a solution. As it turned out, the problem involved a braille driver which has been modified to resolve something for Windows 8 support but could impact computers regardless of them using Braille. We are in the process now of getting the instructions written and tested, to send out to people this afternoon, who had experienced this issue. If you are one of those people that experienced the issue since the update posted yesterday, and you have not communicated yet with our support department, please do so now or drop me an email directly (send it to edam...@freedomscientific.com) and I will make sure we get in touch with you over the weekend, if not tonight. If you did not have the problem, you are OK to continue using the update. Early next week, we will repost a new JAWS 14 update with the change necessary and turn the auto update back on once that is complete. Again, thank you for your support with JAWS and all of our products. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused those of you who had the issue. Have a good weekend. Regards, Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Feldman Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available JAWS 14 also comes up strange for me. When I told it to live in the Task Tray, and then hit Insert-J to bring up the JAWS menu, my arrow keys wouldn't work in that menu. I'd press an arrow and nothing would happen. I could force an option to be clicked by dragging the JAWS cursor around, but then once I got into the dialog boxes, such as for Basic Settings or Speech settings, JAWS took several seconds to respond to the press of the Tab key, and didn't announce the options I tabbed to if I moved at all. I did verify that it behaves the same way even if it doesn't stay in the task tray. I've gone back to JAWS 13. I am using Windows 7 64-bit. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Janie Degenshein Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available same here as well Keep Smiling, Janie Degenshein Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have Access Tech Consultant Facilitator of ECHO (Eyes Closed Hearts Open) President, National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey Senior Division Co-host of OTBS On The Bright Side www.thruoureyes.org/brightside.html jdege...@comcast.net -Original Message- From: Geovanni Bahena Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available Hmm. That's very odd. It's working with no problems here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available Not sure if this will happen to everyone getting the update, but beware! When I updated it killed my insert key. I had to use narrator to kill it in the task manager. So I downloaded it from the web site, un installed and then reinstalled jaws 14. Now when it came up it was playing nice. Until I told it to start up at log in and all sessions. Then I lost my insert key when it rebooted. Now back on jaws 13 because 14 has no insert key and really comes up strange. At 12:39 PM 12/6/2012, you wrote: Greetings, All JAWS 14 customers, should be prompted to get it if they restart
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available
JAWS 14 also comes up strange for me. When I told it to live in the Task Tray, and then hit Insert-J to bring up the JAWS menu, my arrow keys wouldn't work in that menu. I'd press an arrow and nothing would happen. I could force an option to be clicked by dragging the JAWS cursor around, but then once I got into the dialog boxes, such as for Basic Settings or Speech settings, JAWS took several seconds to respond to the press of the Tab key, and didn't announce the options I tabbed to if I moved at all. I did verify that it behaves the same way even if it doesn't stay in the task tray. I've gone back to JAWS 13. I am using Windows 7 64-bit. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Janie Degenshein Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available same here as well Keep Smiling, Janie Degenshein Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have Access Tech Consultant Facilitator of ECHO (Eyes Closed Hearts Open) President, National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey Senior Division Co-host of OTBS On The Bright Side www.thruoureyes.org/brightside.html jdege...@comcast.net -Original Message- From: Geovanni Bahena Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available Hmm. That's very odd. It's working with no problems here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 14 December Update is now available Not sure if this will happen to everyone getting the update, but beware! When I updated it killed my insert key. I had to use narrator to kill it in the task manager. So I downloaded it from the web site, un installed and then reinstalled jaws 14. Now when it came up it was playing nice. Until I told it to start up at log in and all sessions. Then I lost my insert key when it rebooted. Now back on jaws 13 because 14 has no insert key and really comes up strange. At 12:39 PM 12/6/2012, you wrote: Greetings, All JAWS 14 customers, should be prompted to get it if they restart JAWS. The entire write up, and the links to the full download, can be found at: http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp Happy Holidays to everyone, Eric Eric Damery Vice President Software Product Management Freedom Scientific 11800 31st Court North St. Petersburg, FL 33716 727-299-6110 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Using Google Apps
Recently, the State of Colorado converted all state agencies from whatever Email clients they were using to Google Mail. We will be using mail, calendar, Google docs and Google chat. Furthermore, they have not enabled Pop3 or IMap, so I cannot continue to use Outlook to access my mail. I am already finding Google much less efficient when handling Email and using my calendar. I have a lot of questions, but let me start with a few, and maybe that will help me learn what I need to know. Are there basic configuration changes I should make that will set up a friendlier environment for JAWS? Are there any scripts or other configuration files that will make Google Apps easier to use? Are there any good tutorials on using JAWS with the various Google apps? I need to be able to do more than just read an Email and reply. I am a very proficient Outlook user, and need to at least be able to spell check, set up folders (labels), write rules for them, easily read my calendar both to see my daily, weekly and monthly schedule and to set up meetings and schedule resources, and participate in Google Docs for Excel and Word files. I've heard over the years that Google Docs is not accessible with a screen reader. Recently, however, I've heard that this may no longer be true. What is the status of Google Docs accessibility? I've heard that Google Voice can be used in Chrome to make the Google apps more accessible. Does anyone know anything about this, and will I be able to use it while also running JAWS? Thanks for any information you can contribute. Nancy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] BARD
Interesting. I have Comcast, and I am able to access the site without difficulty. I just downloaded the most recent Ellery Queen. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of northstar1...@okie.sytes.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:44 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] BARD but you are not a comcast subscriber either. i can log in to bard as well but i use skybeam for my internet provider. looks like comcast is blocking them. Legend has it that on Thursday 8/16/2012 12:15 PM, David Ferrin said: I'm logged in right now. David Ferrin Many people think they are generous because they give out free advice. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ http://www.sendspace.com/folder/i7xwg4Click here to check out my sendspace offerings! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files
I've tried both of those. You are right that sometimes it corrects the problems, but with a few stubborn files, it's still just gibberish. And in some cases, JAWS can't see the text at all, even though it's real text, not an image, and even though sighted readers see it just fine. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of ckrug...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files try reading the document by using the left to right top to bottom or raw print stream settings. This will generally correct the spacing and running issues that frequently occur when using theinfer reading order from document setting. I do this quite often when there is a problem with the document and it usually corrects the problem. Chuck - Original Message - From: Nancy Feldman nancy_feld...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files Good Morning, I am at my wit's end with PDF files, so I thought I'd inquire for help here. If there's a better forum for this, or we should be discussing it off list, I'd be happy to do that. I've used JAWS to read basic PDF files, ones with practically no formatting. For instance, a novel in PDF format tends to read pretty well. But I purchase a lot of PDF documents from www.drivethrurpg.com, and most of them aren't read very well by JAWS. I've seen many of the following errors. No spaces between words On two-column pages, the columns being smashed together and read as one nonsensical block of text With tables, the left hand column being presented first, and then the right hand column, not side by side, but all the left hand column entries first, and then the right. Whole sections of books that JAWS cannot see at all, even though I am assured there is text there One pair of files where the author used lots of notes in the text and JAWS had no idea where to put them, so it just reads them mixed up with the rest of the text. Because of all of these difficulties, I've concluded that I may need new strategies for dealing with PDF files. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? What are the optimal settings to use when opening a PDF file? Is there anything I can do to improve the conversion of PDF documents to text? I seem to recall that there's a place that we can Email PDF documents to, and it'll convert them. Is it any good? The problem with that approach is most of these documents are larger than 10 MB, which I believe exceeds the largest Email attachment I can send. I welcome all suggestions and insights. Failing that, I will contact the publishers and ask if I can get copies of the documents I've purchased in an alternate electronic format. It's just very frustrating to know that the information is there and available, but still inaccessible to me. Before I contact the publishers, though, I want to make certain that I'm not doing anything wrong. Many thanks. Nancy I've tried saving files to text, and the For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] JAWS Basic Training
Good Morning, When I went to grab the basic training files from the Update feature, they all seemed to be there except 4. It went from 3 to 5. Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Convenient OCR
Good Morning, I've never been able to make convenient OCR work. When I hit Insert-Space, O, S, or any other option, JAWS pauses a few seconds and then says JAWS. Nothing else happens. On this machine I'm running public beta 3. I've always had an Internet connection when I installed JAWS 13 public betas. I thought it would automatically install the OCR process when it installed JAWS 13, as long as there was an Internet connection. Any thoughts or suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? Many thanks. Nancy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Convenient OCR
It does say OCR after I press O ... but after I press S it does not say started, and I've never heard it says Finished. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Don Marang Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Convenient OCR Are you saying that after pressing Insert + Space, followed by o, JAWS does not speak OCR? Then when you hit w, s, or c, it does not announce Started, then after a second or two, announce Finished? *Don Marang* On 10/18/2011 1:12 PM, Nancy Feldman wrote: Good Morning, I've never been able to make convenient OCR work. When I hit Insert-Space, O, S, or any other option, JAWS pauses a few seconds and then says JAWS. Nothing else happens. On this machine I'm running public beta 3. I've always had an Internet connection when I installed JAWS 13 public betas. I thought it would automatically install the OCR process when it installed JAWS 13, as long as there was an Internet connection. Any thoughts or suggestions on what I might be doing wrong? Many thanks. Nancy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files
Hi Elf, I play numerous games, and often pick up indie games. In truth, most indie games are accessible, but when they're not, most publishers are willing to work with me to get copies in alternative formats. So, the primary offenders are: Just about everything from White Wolf. I'd love to read their books, new and old, but PDF conversions are absolutely, positively terrible. One example, Promethean, has a whole chapter that JAWS and other PDF interpreters (like the one on the Braille Sense) cannot see at all. Most books, like the Exalted series, jumble everything together, or don't read the text in a logical flow. Dresden Files: This is a small press game. They did some cool layout stuff, with numerous comments interspersed throughout the text that are meant to provide levity and insight, but which simply confuse JAWS and other PDF processes. Amaranthine: Another small press book. This author didn't respond, and the text is simply disorganized, with the thread of the text being lost at least once per page. Traveller: The tables are not presented logically, and Traveller has tons and tons of tables. Pathfinder: Mostly just text being presented out of order. Can you help with any of these? I believe in all cases Acrobat Reader says that these documents are untagged. I've been told that tagging is a time-consuming, tedious process. Nancy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthane Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:00 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files being an avid gamer myself, may I ask what system your attempting to find useable .pdf books of? I have translations of several systems here, and have openbook which many times does a fair job of translating them to text. elf . Moderator, Blind Access Help. . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises own the might and majesty of an alacorn www.alacorncomputer.com . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers! http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com - Original Message - From: Nancy Feldman nancy_feld...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files Good Morning, I am at my wit's end with PDF files, so I thought I'd inquire for help here. If there's a better forum for this, or we should be discussing it off list, I'd be happy to do that. I've used JAWS to read basic PDF files, ones with practically no formatting. For instance, a novel in PDF format tends to read pretty well. But I purchase a lot of PDF documents from www.drivethrurpg.com, and most of them aren't read very well by JAWS. I've seen many of the following errors. No spaces between words On two-column pages, the columns being smashed together and read as one nonsensical block of text With tables, the left hand column being presented first, and then the right hand column, not side by side, but all the left hand column entries first, and then the right. Whole sections of books that JAWS cannot see at all, even though I am assured there is text there One pair of files where the author used lots of notes in the text and JAWS had no idea where to put them, so it just reads them mixed up with the rest of the text. Because of all of these difficulties, I've concluded that I may need new strategies for dealing with PDF files. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? What are the optimal settings to use when opening a PDF file? Is there anything I can do to improve the conversion of PDF documents to text? I seem to recall that there's a place that we can Email PDF documents to, and it'll convert them. Is it any good? The problem with that approach is most of these documents are larger than 10 MB, which I believe exceeds the largest Email attachment I can send. I welcome all suggestions and insights. Failing that, I will contact the publishers and ask if I can get copies of the documents I've purchased in an alternate electronic format. It's just very frustrating to know that the information is there and available, but still inaccessible to me. Before I contact the publishers, though, I want to make certain that I'm not doing anything wrong. Many thanks. Nancy I've tried saving files to text, and the For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] PDF Files
Good Morning, I am at my wit's end with PDF files, so I thought I'd inquire for help here. If there's a better forum for this, or we should be discussing it off list, I'd be happy to do that. I've used JAWS to read basic PDF files, ones with practically no formatting. For instance, a novel in PDF format tends to read pretty well. But I purchase a lot of PDF documents from www.drivethrurpg.com, and most of them aren't read very well by JAWS. I've seen many of the following errors. No spaces between words On two-column pages, the columns being smashed together and read as one nonsensical block of text With tables, the left hand column being presented first, and then the right hand column, not side by side, but all the left hand column entries first, and then the right. Whole sections of books that JAWS cannot see at all, even though I am assured there is text there One pair of files where the author used lots of notes in the text and JAWS had no idea where to put them, so it just reads them mixed up with the rest of the text. Because of all of these difficulties, I've concluded that I may need new strategies for dealing with PDF files. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? What are the optimal settings to use when opening a PDF file? Is there anything I can do to improve the conversion of PDF documents to text? I seem to recall that there's a place that we can Email PDF documents to, and it'll convert them. Is it any good? The problem with that approach is most of these documents are larger than 10 MB, which I believe exceeds the largest Email attachment I can send. I welcome all suggestions and insights. Failing that, I will contact the publishers and ask if I can get copies of the documents I've purchased in an alternate electronic format. It's just very frustrating to know that the information is there and available, but still inaccessible to me. Before I contact the publishers, though, I want to make certain that I'm not doing anything wrong. Many thanks. Nancy I've tried saving files to text, and the For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files
Hi Flor, Thanks for the suggestion. I knew I could use OpenBook to convert image PDFs to something readable. Most of the PDFs I purchase actually have textual content, though, it just comes out wrong. A M I able to use OpenBook to convert regular PDF documents? I'm curious enough I guess I'll go find out right now. Again, thanks for the idea. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 7:46 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files nancy, it seems to me that the limitations you mention are due in large part to the free Adobe Reader's limitations. there is an Adobe Professional Edition, which (I believe) costs about $300, that would apparently convert those pdf's properly. Another option, if you have it, is to use OCR software to convert the pdf's and image pdf's into documents that will read more coherently. the other day, I came across a heavily tabled pdf, which read fine on the internet but which - when downloaded, JAWS12 and the free Adobe Reader had difficulty with. it reads properly when converted by Kurzweil 1000, OCR,and would read well thus if converted by Open Book, etc. - Original Message - From: Nancy Feldman nancy_feld...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files Good Morning, I am at my wit's end with PDF files, so I thought I'd inquire for help here. If there's a better forum for this, or we should be discussing it off list, I'd be happy to do that. I've used JAWS to read basic PDF files, ones with practically no formatting. For instance, a novel in PDF format tends to read pretty well. But I purchase a lot of PDF documents from www.drivethrurpg.com, and most of them aren't read very well by JAWS. I've seen many of the following errors. No spaces between words On two-column pages, the columns being smashed together and read as one nonsensical block of text With tables, the left hand column being presented first, and then the right hand column, not side by side, but all the left hand column entries first, and then the right. Whole sections of books that JAWS cannot see at all, even though I am assured there is text there One pair of files where the author used lots of notes in the text and JAWS had no idea where to put them, so it just reads them mixed up with the rest of the text. Because of all of these difficulties, I've concluded that I may need new strategies for dealing with PDF files. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? What are the optimal settings to use when opening a PDF file? Is there anything I can do to improve the conversion of PDF documents to text? I seem to recall that there's a place that we can Email PDF documents to, and it'll convert them. Is it any good? The problem with that approach is most of these documents are larger than 10 MB, which I believe exceeds the largest Email attachment I can send. I welcome all suggestions and insights. Failing that, I will contact the publishers and ask if I can get copies of the documents I've purchased in an alternate electronic format. It's just very frustrating to know that the information is there and available, but still inaccessible to me. Before I contact the publishers, though, I want to make certain that I'm not doing anything wrong. Many thanks. Nancy I've tried saving files to text, and the For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files
Thanks, Annette. The PDFs I purchase don't have images, they have text. I'm not sure if they're locked, or just have lots of complex layout that JAWS doesn't know how to decipher. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files At work I have Adobe Professional and also OPenBook 9. I have found that the OCR feature in Adobe Professional does a pretty good job on many of those Empty PDF documents. When I am not successful in Adobe Professional, then I use the OpenBook Freedom printer and send the file to OpenBook. I do not have to deal much with locked PDF files from publishers or PDF's that rely heavily on tables. So, I do not know how much use you will get from this information. Annette -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Feldman Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:50 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files Hi Flor, Thanks for the suggestion. I knew I could use OpenBook to convert image PDFs to something readable. Most of the PDFs I purchase actually have textual content, though, it just comes out wrong. A M I able to use OpenBook to convert regular PDF documents? I'm curious enough I guess I'll go find out right now. Again, thanks for the idea. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 7:46 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files nancy, it seems to me that the limitations you mention are due in large part to the free Adobe Reader's limitations. there is an Adobe Professional Edition, which (I believe) costs about $300, that would apparently convert those pdf's properly. Another option, if you have it, is to use OCR software to convert the pdf's and image pdf's into documents that will read more coherently. the other day, I came across a heavily tabled pdf, which read fine on the internet but which - when downloaded, JAWS12 and the free Adobe Reader had difficulty with. it reads properly when converted by Kurzweil 1000, OCR,and would read well thus if converted by Open Book, etc. - Original Message - From: Nancy Feldman nancy_feld...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] PDF Files Good Morning, I am at my wit's end with PDF files, so I thought I'd inquire for help here. If there's a better forum for this, or we should be discussing it off list, I'd be happy to do that. I've used JAWS to read basic PDF files, ones with practically no formatting. For instance, a novel in PDF format tends to read pretty well. But I purchase a lot of PDF documents from www.drivethrurpg.com, and most of them aren't read very well by JAWS. I've seen many of the following errors. No spaces between words On two-column pages, the columns being smashed together and read as one nonsensical block of text With tables, the left hand column being presented first, and then the right hand column, not side by side, but all the left hand column entries first, and then the right. Whole sections of books that JAWS cannot see at all, even though I am assured there is text there One pair of files where the author used lots of notes in the text and JAWS had no idea where to put them, so it just reads them mixed up with the rest of the text. Because of all of these difficulties, I've concluded that I may need new strategies for dealing with PDF files. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? What are the optimal settings to use when opening a PDF file? Is there anything I can do to improve the conversion of PDF documents to text? I seem to recall that there's a place that we can Email PDF documents to, and it'll convert them. Is it any good? The problem with that approach is most of these documents are larger than 10 MB, which I believe exceeds the largest Email attachment I can send. I welcome all suggestions and insights. Failing that, I will contact the publishers and ask if I can get copies of the documents I've purchased in an alternate electronic format. It's just very frustrating to know that the information is there and available, but still inaccessible to me. Before I contact the publishers, though, I want to make certain that I'm not doing anything wrong. Many thanks. Nancy I've tried saving files to text, and the For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers
Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR
I agree. This is a potentially useful feature to me. Many people at work send me PDF documents directly from the Fax machine. I have no idea what's in the document. This convenient OCR should help me identify it. Also, Eric Damory's use of the OCR to read a DVD player screen has potential for me. I might be able to use this to click on things that JAWS couldn't see otherwise before. I'll have to try it. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of john melia Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR where I work they always send me pdf documents that are a picture so it might be some use. - Original Message - From: Dujari, Prateek prateek.duj...@intel.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR Well I feel the convenient OCr, as he called it, is not that cool really. First it purportedly just OCr's the stuff that fits on the window on the PC screen within the open Adobe PDF file and totally ignores the rest of the multi page Pdf file. Which means if I need to access the whole doc which is almost always the case with anyone, u still need to get another expensive PDF converter/OCR software. And honestly in my case at least, and I'd assume in most blind people's cases, we already know the topic of any PDF document we download with an intention and or need to access all of it. I'd challenge that most blind people don't just download a PDF file not knowing at all what the heck it contains. In al such cases the JFW 13 OCr feature doesn't make any diff really. Now of course the situation is quite diff if u take a pic of a print document u have no idea what it is using a camera and save then upload it to your PC as an image file and then use JFW 13's OCR feature. IN this case yes its valuable. IN summary this feature is of any value only and only if you have no clue what the soft PDF or image file contains. Prateek -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gena Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 Well said. I agree whole heartedly. If everything works as he showed in the podcast, I think this will be the greatest version yet. I am very excited. Cheers, Gena -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:00 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 The OCR thing is way cool. Especially when Errick read the DVD main menu with it. Think about it. If JFW 13 when it does work with Win 8 doesn't hook like NVDA and System Access do, it'll be So much easyer still to watch a DVD on your own. Pluss you'll be using WMP which is already easy to use some what as it is. This will only make it all the more easier. Assuming JAWS works with out hooking to the Video that is. See because since it does that WMP thinks JAWS wants to coppy the disk so that's why one gets that diolauge about not being able to run the analogue coppy protection thing. In short, If JAWS doesn't hook to the video in Win 8, and if the OCR can scan DVD menus like it did for Erick, watching movies will be golden on the PC. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of soner Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:03 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 OCR feature is indeed an old yet a failed idea trying to be implemented by Baum of Germany before in its screen reading product called Cobra. Should Baum sue Freedom then? :) Let the joke aside, this is really a great move and as Mr. Mosen puts it well, a game changer in screen reading technology. yet İ wanna pose a big but about the choice of Freedom's Omnipage as its OCR engine that it is not the best in the market, as FS guys also may know very well that most of the blinds over the world having non-FreedomScientific options, use ABBYY Fine reader which is the pinnacle of the OCR products in the market as of today. So, a perfect idea with a wrong choice of engin... P.S: independent reviews juxtaposing the two engins mentioned above can easily be found with a simple Google search. Regards For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about
Re: [JAWS-Users] Transact SQL
Hi Ann Marie, Unfortunately, SQL will not be used on the mainframe. It's used in our enterprise environment, and I think it'll be accessed through SQL Server 2003. Oh, I love mainframe programming. COBOL, CICS, JCL, all of it; and the mainframe environment is very friendly. I'm afraid that SQL Server is less so. I'll be able to use the latest version of JAWS; I just don't know what to expect once I get there. I will likely learn SQL in any case, because it will enhance my career, and eventually we will move away from the mainframe. Have a great day. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:50 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Transact SQL Hi Nancy, I programmed on mainframe for about 20 years. I also data mined and loaded key information into Oracle databases using native SQL. It has been many years but I believe I wrote SQL code in TS O and submitted it to execute. I remember that Oracle was the database and highly unfriendly so I used SQL to query information. The front end of this decision support system was written by consultants and I could navigate and create reports on PC with Jaws and Windows 98 but I needed to mine the data to load info so top management could make more informed decisions. Unsure what exactly Transact SQL is but do you know where your databases reside, mainframe, server. Does the mainframe talk to the server or is the mainframe being used as a big server? My company totally migrated to PeopleSoft; I don't think they use the mainframe anymore. I loved coding in Cobol, CICS, Adabas, Natural, DB2, jCL and the like. I don't know any PC languages but I know that it would make life more efficient if I learn to code to organize all my personal information. I learn a little and then I don't use it so I lose it. Learning SQL would enhance your career because SQL can be used on any database and on any platform. I still remember how to code in Cobol and JCL but I did not have many years using SQL. Best of luck. Ann - Original Message - From: Nancy Feldman nancy_feld...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:14 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Transact SQL I have been asked to add Transact SQL to my skill set. When I last looked at SQL Server, it didn't look too friendly with JAWS, but that was a few years ago. What accessibility issues will I be facing if I try to accomplish this task? I would be expected to maintain and update several databases if I succeed, and potentially use Transact SQL to accomplish various programming tasks. Currently I program in COBOL on a mainframe, and am highly competitive for speed and proficiency. Could I be competitive with SQL? Thanks in advance. Nancy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Transact SQL
I have been asked to add Transact SQL to my skill set. When I last looked at SQL Server, it didn't look too friendly with JAWS, but that was a few years ago. What accessibility issues will I be facing if I try to accomplish this task? I would be expected to maintain and update several databases if I succeed, and potentially use Transact SQL to accomplish various programming tasks. Currently I program in COBOL on a mainframe, and am highly competitive for speed and proficiency. Could I be competitive with SQL? Thanks in advance. Nancy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Problem with a Date Field
Hi, I'm having a problem with a date field on the site I use to pay for my Amazon credit card. JAWS announces that the date field is read only. Amazon sets the date for your payment to the end of your billing cycle, but I want to pay it sooner, and I can't seem to find a way to make the change. Any thoughts on how to do this? I'm running the latest version of JAWS under Windows 7. Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Send any questions regarding list management to: jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7
I don't know what version number the new one is. And yes, I unchecked most things, but must have missed the checkmark on the Yahoo toolbar. It's taken care of, though. Where did you get your version? -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 did you install the new version? Did not had any problem. when you install you need to tab to unselect ading yahoo or any other thing. -Original Message- From: Nancy Feldman Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:37 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 I just tried it, but in addition to installing the Yahoo toolbar, when I bring up the menus, they say nothing at all. What am I doing wrong? -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:27 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 VLC is good. -Original Message- From: Nancy Feldman Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:19 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 Good Afternoon, Are there any accessible DVD players out there for Windows 7? I want to be able to do the basic things like pause, rewind, fast forward, but also bring up the DVD menu and select things like turning on descriptive video or watching the extras. Thanks for any help you can offer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7
Good Afternoon, Are there any accessible DVD players out there for Windows 7? I want to be able to do the basic things like pause, rewind, fast forward, but also bring up the DVD menu and select things like turning on descriptive video or watching the extras. Thanks for any help you can offer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7
I just tried it, but in addition to installing the Yahoo toolbar, when I bring up the menus, they say nothing at all. What am I doing wrong? -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:27 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 VLC is good. -Original Message- From: Nancy Feldman Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:19 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible DVD Players for Windows 7 Good Afternoon, Are there any accessible DVD players out there for Windows 7? I want to be able to do the basic things like pause, rewind, fast forward, but also bring up the DVD menu and select things like turning on descriptive video or watching the extras. Thanks for any help you can offer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How do I set Jaws12 to pick a sound card from multiple sound cards or playback devices I've on my PC?
In the Utilities menu for JAWS, there's a Sound Cards submenu. Your default sound card is checked, but you can arrow down the list to select others. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dujari, Prateek Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:05 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] How do I set Jaws12 to pick a sound card from multiple sound cards or playback devices I've on my PC? Hello. win7, JFW11 and JFW12. I've 2 sounds/audio/playback devices on my PC. A sound card and another DAC that acts like a second sound card essentially. I've set the second card as the default playback device via the control panel route of the OS. When I've Jaws11 running it always defaults to this second card which makes sense given its my default playback device. However each time I run Jaws 12 instead, JAWS speech comes out using the first sound card which is not the default. Other sounds of the OS, any music I play- they all come out using the second card except JFW12 continues using the first one. so, is there any way to set JAWS to always default to the second card? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 12 and compiling scripts for all in play
You need to make certain that all JAWS windows are closed, not just the one you brought up with Insert-F2. If you got that message, then the system thinks that another JAWS window is open beside that one. Close them all, then try Insert-F2 followed by S for script manager. Make sure you're on AllinPlay when you do this, so that you compile the right set of script files. Good luck. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Allen Dunbar Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:45 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws 12 and compiling scripts for all in play Hi I installed jaws 12 on my new win 7 64 bit machine I have gone to all in play and got a message that I need to recompile jaws scripts for jaws to work correctly it says to hit insert key and f2 select script manager by entering s but when I do it says only ojaws window can be open at a time hit escape to close he current window and try again I do and I get the same result Any ideas out there how to get these scripts to recompile All help is appreciated Allen dunbar s For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop
The only way I know how to do this is to make sure that the remote computer also has JAWS on it. Does it have JAWS? If there are other ways to do this, I'd like to learn. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop Hi all. Ok i need some help please. Anyone no of a way to let jaws see the remote desktop? I need to see a next computer far away and i need to use remote desktop. I no it could be done but id oh no how. Can someone help please. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop
I had to pay extra money to have remote desktop enabled, as I recall. It then became a feature available in my authorized copy of JAWS. I still had to install JAWS on the computer I wanted to remote to, though. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop No it does not have jaws on it. There is something call jaws remote desktop but i don't no ware to get that. Hope someone out there can help. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Feldman Sent: Sunday, 17 October 2010 05:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop The only way I know how to do this is to make sure that the remote computer also has JAWS on it. Does it have JAWS? If there are other ways to do this, I'd like to learn. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] remote desktop Hi all. Ok i need some help please. Anyone no of a way to let jaws see the remote desktop? I need to see a next computer far away and i need to use remote desktop. I no it could be done but id oh no how. Can someone help please. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] area code lookup
No; it doesn't work for me, either. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] area code lookup Today was the first time I ever tried it out but for me it doesn't seem to work. Does it work for anybody else out there? David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
