Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Cher Bosch]

Yes, as someone recently adjusting to Parkinson's, tremors can cause tons of
problems in password fields- multiple characters, wrong characters, etc.. I
love the sites with an option to show the password. Yeah for them!

Cher



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 11:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I agree this is my arguement for having an option to speak passwords.  Note 
the word Option.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rebecca Lineberger" <drlineber...@embarqmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


> The decision has been made, but just a final comment from someone who 
> wrote
> VFO about this several months ago ...
> I can understand the potential problems of a spoken password in the
> workplace, but for those using JAWS For Home Use, rather than the
> professional version, I can see no security risk.  Many of us who migrated
> from Window-Eyes used this feature on our home computers for years without

> a
> problem.  There are several physiological conditions, such as arthritis or
> neuropathy that could cause someone to have difficulty typing. In these
> cases, as well as for anyone of us who might find typing one thing and
> hearing another confusing, the person would benefit from hearing the
> characters as they typed, especially in those situations where accuracy 
> the
> first time really mattered.  Smile.  Certainly, copying and pasting is a 
> way
> around this, but in this case, not only is the password spoken, as it's
> typed, but it is displayed on the screen, as it would not have been when 
> in
> a password edit field.
> JMO.
> Rebecca
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of net bat66
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:44 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the 
> keys
> you press or not.
> i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't
> have to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing 
> them
> into the password edit box every time.
> the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just 
> speaks
> the keys as i press them. nothing else.
> i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and
> not the keys i press.
> if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Damery
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would
> allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just 
> adding
> this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations
> such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those
> versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a 
> Non-Tandem
> build of our software posted also on the web.
>
> Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security 
> standpoint
> and we will not be adding that one.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> Eric Damery
> VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6110 F
> 727-803-8001 edam...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Rick Justice
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[David Ferrin]

Personally I am also happy to put this discussion to bed. It was getting a 
bit long.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Justice

Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Thank you Eric, perhaps this one can be put to bed now.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Tomorrow's another day, another way!"
"and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Damery" <edam...@vfogroup.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would
allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding
this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations
such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those
versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem
build of our software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint
and we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

FYI,
The screen-reader does not control the ***, it is the operating system,
website, and applications.
Sighted users also see these, because it is a security measure.
The difference between Jaws and Windows Eyes in these situations may simply
be  the way the screen reader obtains the information from the computer.
In my line of thinking, the key echo setting in Jaws is mis-named since it's
clear in the password fields that Jaws is actually echoing what is printed
on the screen, and not the actual key that is being pressed.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message -
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the
letters
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i
typed in.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.


-Original Message- 
From: Roger Newell

Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but

Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Dave...Oregonian]

Hmmm. Why not use the JAWS dictionary manager and set the star character to 
speak nothing?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 16:43
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the keys 
you
press or not.
i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't 
have
to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing them into 
the
password edit box every time.
the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just speaks
the keys as i press them. nothing else.
i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and 
not
the keys i press.
if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.



-Original Message- 
From: Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would 
allow
the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding this
option into our software, would cause security minded organizations such as
IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those versions 
from
being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem build of our
software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint 
and
we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf
Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Dennis]

I agree this is my arguement for having an option to speak passwords.  Note 
the word Option.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rebecca Lineberger" <drlineber...@embarqmail.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


The decision has been made, but just a final comment from someone who 
wrote

VFO about this several months ago ...
I can understand the potential problems of a spoken password in the
workplace, but for those using JAWS For Home Use, rather than the
professional version, I can see no security risk.  Many of us who migrated
from Window-Eyes used this feature on our home computers for years without 
a

problem.  There are several physiological conditions, such as arthritis or
neuropathy that could cause someone to have difficulty typing. In these
cases, as well as for anyone of us who might find typing one thing and
hearing another confusing, the person would benefit from hearing the
characters as they typed, especially in those situations where accuracy 
the
first time really mattered.  Smile.  Certainly, copying and pasting is a 
way

around this, but in this case, not only is the password spoken, as it's
typed, but it is displayed on the screen, as it would not have been when 
in

a password edit field.
JMO.
Rebecca

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the 
keys

you press or not.
i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't
have to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing 
them

into the password edit box every time.
the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just 
speaks

the keys as i press them. nothing else.
i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and
not the keys i press.
if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.



-Original Message-
From: Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would
allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just 
adding

this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations
such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those
versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a 
Non-Tandem

build of our software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security 
standpoint

and we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6110 F
727-803-8001 edam...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[wayne smith]

Oh please! The stars at night are big and bright, deep in the heart of
Texas.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Thank you Eric, perhaps this one can be put to bed now.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Tomorrow's another day, another way!"
"and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Damery" <edam...@vfogroup.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would 
allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding

this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations 
such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those 
versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem 
build of our software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint 
and we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

FYI,
The screen-reader does not control the ***, it is the operating system, 
website, and applications.
Sighted users also see these, because it is a security measure.
The difference between Jaws and Windows Eyes in these situations may simply 
be  the way the screen reader obtains the information from the computer.
In my line of thinking, the key echo setting in Jaws is mis-named since it's

clear in the password fields that Jaws is actually echoing what is printed 
on the screen, and not the actual key that is being pressed.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message -
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the
letters
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i
typed in.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Roger Newell
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
>
> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
>> and
>>
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
>> the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
>> sites
>>
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
>> the
>>
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
>> for
>>
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> 

Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Rebecca Lineberger]

The decision has been made, but just a final comment from someone who wrote
VFO about this several months ago ...
I can understand the potential problems of a spoken password in the
workplace, but for those using JAWS For Home Use, rather than the
professional version, I can see no security risk.  Many of us who migrated
from Window-Eyes used this feature on our home computers for years without a
problem.  There are several physiological conditions, such as arthritis or
neuropathy that could cause someone to have difficulty typing. In these
cases, as well as for anyone of us who might find typing one thing and
hearing another confusing, the person would benefit from hearing the
characters as they typed, especially in those situations where accuracy the
first time really mattered.  Smile.  Certainly, copying and pasting is a way
around this, but in this case, not only is the password spoken, as it's
typed, but it is displayed on the screen, as it would not have been when in
a password edit field.
JMO.
Rebecca  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the keys
you press or not.
i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't
have to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing them
into the password edit box every time.
the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just speaks
the keys as i press them. nothing else.
i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and
not the keys i press.
if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.



-Original Message-
From: Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would
allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding
this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations
such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those
versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem
build of our software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint
and we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6110 F
727-803-8001 edam...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Michele Thredgold]

I second that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Mar 2018, at 1:15 pm, Mike B. <mike9...@gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Net bat,
> 
> I understand where you're coming from, & maybe a program called, Asterisk 
> Logger, from the website below will help with what you need.
> 
> http://www.nirsoft.net
> 
> Out of curiosity, don't the websites you mentioned allow you to create your 
> own passwords?  Then you could save them in a password protected file, & 
> paste whenever you would need them.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message - 
> From: net bat66
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:41 PM
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
> 
> 
> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
> passwords and speak the keys i press.
> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed 
> in.
> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the 
> keys
> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
> accounts.
> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder 
> and
> type them in when i get home?
> 
> Hi Robin,
> 
> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
> 
> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
> dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
> JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.
> 
> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
> budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
> then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
> the application as well.
> 
> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
> you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> 
> 
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the keys you
press or not.
i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't have 
to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing them into the 
password edit box every time.
the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just speaks 
the keys as i press them. nothing else.
i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and not 
the keys i press.

if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.



-Original Message- 
From: Eric Damery

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would allow
the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding this
option into our software, would cause security minded organizations such as
IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those versions from
being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem build of our
software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint and
we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Rick Justice]

Thank you Eric, perhaps this one can be put to bed now.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Tomorrow's another day, another way!"
"and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Damery" <edam...@vfogroup.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would 
allow the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding 
this option into our software, would cause security minded organizations 
such as IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those 
versions from being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem 
build of our software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint 
and we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

FYI,
The screen-reader does not control the ***, it is the operating system, 
website, and applications.
Sighted users also see these, because it is a security measure.
The difference between Jaws and Windows Eyes in these situations may simply 
be  the way the screen reader obtains the information from the computer.
In my line of thinking, the key echo setting in Jaws is mis-named since it's 
clear in the password fields that Jaws is actually echoing what is printed 
on the screen, and not the actual key that is being pressed.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message -
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the
letters
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i
typed in.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Roger Newell
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
>
> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
>> and
>>
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
>> the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
>> sites
>>
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
>> the
>>
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
>> for
>>
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
>> the
>>
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
>> recorder
>> and
>> type them in when i get home?
>>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dicti

Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Eric Damery]

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would allow 
the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding this 
option into our software, would cause security minded organizations such as 
IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those versions from 
being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem build of our 
software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint and 
we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

FYI,
The screen-reader does not control the ***, it is the operating system, 
website, and applications.
Sighted users also see these, because it is a security measure.
The difference between Jaws and Windows Eyes in these situations may simply be  
the way the screen reader obtains the information from the computer.
In my line of thinking, the key echo setting in Jaws is mis-named since it's 
clear in the password fields that Jaws is actually echoing what is printed on 
the screen, and not the actual key that is being pressed.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message -
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the 
letters
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i
typed in.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Roger Newell
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
>
> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad 
>> and
>>
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak 
>> the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web 
>> sites
>>
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of 
>> the
>>
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days 
>> for
>>
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back 
>> the
>>
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice 
>> recorder
>> and
>> type them in when i get home?
>>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
>> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
>> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary 
>> manager.
>> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>>
>> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default 
>> JDF
>> dictionary mana

Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Rick Justice]

FYI,
The screen-reader does not control the ***, it is the operating system, 
website, and applications.
Sighted users also see these, because it is a security measure.
The difference between Jaws and Windows Eyes in these situations may simply 
be
 the way the screen reader obtains the information from the computer.
In my line of thinking, the key echo setting in Jaws is mis-named since
it's clear in the password fields
that Jaws is actually echoing what is printed on the screen,
and not the actual key that is being pressed.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the 
letters
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i
typed in.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Roger Newell
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
>
> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad 
>> and
>>
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak 
>> the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web 
>> sites
>>
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of 
>> the
>>
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days 
>> for
>>
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back 
>> the
>>
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice 
>> recorder
>> and
>> type them in when i get home?
>>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
>> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
>> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary 
>> manager.
>> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>>
>> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default 
>> JDF
>> dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
>> application
>> JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.
>>
>> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a 
>> home
>> budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, 
>> but
>> then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
>> the application as well.
>>
>> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
>> application
>> you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for 
>> you.
>>
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> Arguing with a woman is like re


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

thank you.
i found one that will speak what i type in as i am typeing them in.
but it also shows the passwords with passwords i have saved.
its called show me the password.
there are a few options like only show the password when you click on a button. 
or when the edit field has focus too.


-Original Message- 
From: Jitendra Kumar

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

If you use firefox and greasemonkey, there is a script to toggle the
star and characters,
This works in the folling way.
below the password field, there is a link labeled as t, pressing enter
on it changes the password.
2. there is another addon called password manager, which remembers the
posswords, you can change the entries in it.
when user name is typed and tab is pressed, it fills the field with the pw.

On 3/5/18, David Ferrin <ow...@jaws-users.com> wrote:

I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do

not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Newell
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary
manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default
JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a
home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary,
but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for
you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i never thought of third party add ons to do this.
this isn't for everyone. but i am alone and no one will be copying my 
passwords. grin
i found a firefox add on that will automatically show the password letters i 
type in, as i am typeing them, with speech. it does not say star,star,star.
it does have other options. like not showing the password until you press a 
button. or only when the edit box has focus.

show me the password.
it does not save them  in a password vault.
but it also shows the passwords that are filled in automatically where i saved 
them. the important sites like  banks and credit cards are not being filled in 
for me.

i am still exploreing other add ons.



-Original Message- 
From: Jitendra Kumar

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

If you use firefox and greasemonkey, there is a script to toggle the
star and characters,
This works in the folling way.
below the password field, there is a link labeled as t, pressing enter
on it changes the password.
2. there is another addon called password manager, which remembers the
posswords, you can change the entries in it.
when user name is typed and tab is pressed, it fills the field with the pw.

On 3/5/18, David Ferrin <ow...@jaws-users.com> wrote:

I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do

not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Newell
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary
manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default
JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a
home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary,
but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for
you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the letters 
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i 
typed in.



-Original Message- 
From: Dennis

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.


-Original Message- 
From: Roger Newell

Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i have to do this all the time now.
you just have to make sure there are no extra spaces at the beginning or end of 
what you have typed in.
you also have to have focus on the pasword field before you paste the password 
into the edit box.


-Original Message- 
From: Leonard Morris

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I am somewhat surprised you could actually type your password in notepad and 
then copy and paste  it into the password Field. I tried to do that along time 
ago but I could not make that work because I think the password field wants to 
see actual characters and not just symbols.


Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique 
landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Roger Newell 
<inscriptioelectronicaaustra...@gmail.com> wrote:


Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.


On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Dennis]

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those 
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need 
it.
- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are 
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I 
do not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.


-Original Message- 
From: Roger Newell

Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad 
and


copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak 
the

keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web 
sites


only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of 
the


accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days 
for


them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back 
the


pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice 
recorder

and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary 
manager.

The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default 
JDF

dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a 
home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, 
but

then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for 
you.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In 
the

end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[amcarr1]

You have to be careful that when copying the contents out of Notepad that you 
do not capture the space(s) or hard return prior to or at the end of the string.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Leonard Morris
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 4:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I am somewhat surprised you could actually type your password in notepad and 
then copy and paste  it into the password Field. I tried to do that along time 
ago but I could not make that work because I think the password field wants to 
see actual characters and not just symbols.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique 
landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Roger Newell 
> <inscriptioelectronicaaustra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you 
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make 
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension 
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a 
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your 
> typing.
> 
>> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together 
>> for passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have 
>> typed in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note 
>> pad and
>> 
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't 
>> speak the keys i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak 
>> the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many 
>> web sites
>> 
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out 
>> of the
>> 
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 
>> days for
>> 
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these 
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read 
>> back the
>> 
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice 
>> recorder and type them in when i get home?
>> 
>> Hi Robin,
>> 
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only 
>> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default 
>> JDF dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary 
>> manager.
>> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>> 
>> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the 
>> default JDF dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in 
>> the Word application JDF dictionary then everything worked as it 
>> should all the way around.
>> 
>> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in 
>> a home budgit, then add a space after the star in the application 
>> dictionary, but then you'll also have to put a star then a space in 
>> front of any entry in the application as well.
>> 
>> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what 
>> application you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll 
>> get it done for you.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  
>> In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>> 
>> 
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>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>> 
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Jitendra Kumar]

If you use firefox and greasemonkey, there is a script to toggle the
star and characters,
This works in the folling way.
below the password field, there is a link labeled as t, pressing enter
on it changes the password.
2. there is another addon called password manager, which remembers the
posswords, you can change the entries in it.
when user name is typed and tab is pressed, it fills the field with the pw.

On 3/5/18, David Ferrin <ow...@jaws-users.com> wrote:
> I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are
> quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do
>
> not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Newell
> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields
>
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
>
> On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
>> and
>>
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
>> the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
>> sites
>>
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
>> the
>>
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
>> for
>>
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
>> the
>>
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
>> recorder
>> and
>> type them in when i get home?
>>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
>> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
>> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary
>> manager.
>> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>>
>> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default
>> JDF
>> dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
>> application
>> JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.
>>
>> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a
>> home
>> budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary,
>> but
>> then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
>> the application as well.
>>
>> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
>> application
>> you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for
>> you.
>>
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
>> the
>> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[David Ferrin]

I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are 
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do 
not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.


-Original Message- 
From: Roger Newell

Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad 
and


copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web 
sites


only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of 
the


accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days 
for


them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back 
the


pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary 
manager.

The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a 
home

budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for 
you.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Leonard Morris]

I am somewhat surprised you could actually type your password in notepad and 
then copy and paste  it into the password Field. I tried to do that along time 
ago but I could not make that work because I think the password field wants to 
see actual characters and not just symbols.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique 
landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

> On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Roger Newell 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
> need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
> mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
> or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
> typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
> typing.
> 
>> On 3/4/18, net bat66  wrote:
>> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
>> passwords and speak the keys i press.
>> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
>> in.
>> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
>> 
>> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
>> keys
>> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
>> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
>> 
>> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
>> 
>> accounts.
>> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
>> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
>> 
>> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
>> accounts.
>> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
>> 
>> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
>> and
>> type them in when i get home?
>> 
>> Hi Robin,
>> 
>> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
>> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
>> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
>> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>> 
>> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
>> dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
>> application
>> JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.
>> 
>> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
>> budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
>> then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
>> the application as well.
>> 
>> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
>> application
>> you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
>> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>> 
>> 
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>> 
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Roger Newell]

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66  wrote:
> what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
> passwords and speak the keys i press.
> the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
> in.
> i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
>
> copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
> keys
> i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
> and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
>
> only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
>
> accounts.
> my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
> all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
>
> them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
> accounts.
> where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
>
> pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
> and
> type them in when i get home?
>
> Hi Robin,
>
> I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
> reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
> dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
> The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.
>
> But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
> dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
> application
> JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.
>
> What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
> budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
> then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
> the application as well.
>
> If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
> application
> you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Mike B.]

Hi Net bat,

Below is a direct download link for a very simple Password storing program 
from the Jaws-Users website.  I've been using Passkeeper for years, & it 
hasn't let me down yet.  It does have a size linit, I think it's around 125 
entries, but you can always start a new Passkeeper if necessary, which I had 
to do.

11. PassKeeper 1.2 Direct Download link
Program To Keep All Of Your Precious Passwords In A Single Encrypted file

http://www.jaws-users.com/programs/FileManagement/PassKeeper.zip

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message - 
From: net bat66
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


i'll try that.
***
yes the sites let me use my own passwords. but i have a text file with the
passwords in them, in code that only i know. even so i have to copy a 
password
i didn't remember into note pad and decode them before i can copy and paste
them into the password fields.
i tried last pass for awhile. but it kept forgetting some of the passwords 
it
stored. thats why i have been storing them myself in a text file that i can
backup to  flash drives ,drop box, one drive and carbinite etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 6:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Hi Net bat,

I understand where you're coming from, & maybe a program called, Asterisk
Logger, from the website below will help with what you need.

http://www.nirsoft.net

Out of curiosity, don't the websites you mentioned allow you to create your
own passwords?  Then you could save them in a password protected file, &
paste whenever you would need them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: net bat66
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i'll try that.
***
yes the sites let me use my own passwords. but i have a text file with the 
passwords in them, in code that only i know. even so i have to copy a password 
i didn't remember into note pad and decode them before i can copy and paste 
them into the password fields.
i tried last pass for awhile. but it kept forgetting some of the passwords it 
stored. thats why i have been storing them myself in a text file that i can 
backup to  flash drives ,drop box, one drive and carbinite etc.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 6:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Hi Net bat,

I understand where you're coming from, & maybe a program called, Asterisk
Logger, from the website below will help with what you need.

http://www.nirsoft.net

Out of curiosity, don't the websites you mentioned allow you to create your
own passwords?  Then you could save them in a password protected file, &
paste whenever you would need them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: net bat66

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[Mike B.]

Hi Net bat,

I understand where you're coming from, & maybe a program called, Asterisk 
Logger, from the website below will help with what you need.

http://www.nirsoft.net

Out of curiosity, don't the websites you mentioned allow you to create your 
own passwords?  Then you could save them in a password protected file, & 
paste whenever you would need them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: net bat66
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed 
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the 
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder 
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

[JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for 
passwords and speak the keys i press.

the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and 
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the keys 
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites 
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the 
accounts.

my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for 
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the 
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder and 
type them in when i get home?


Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/