[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Patches-611452 ] Fix for tools.jar warning on OS X

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Patches item #611452, was opened at 2002-09-18 23:54 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376687aid=611452group_id=22866 Category: JBossServer Group: CVS HEAD Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Kristoff Batizy (kbatizy) Assigned to:

RE: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Kevin Conner
- If you were starting from scratch then I would certainly recommend cruisecontrol but why change if your current mechanism is sufficient? Do you have any current mechanisms that can give you this rapid feedback? When things break how do you address accountability? How long does it

Re: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Chris Kimpton
Hi, --- Michael Rettig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for some feedback on this. What do you want the build to do? Do you want it to email you when the build breaks? What information do you want displayed on the webpage? Go for it! The main issue with the current setup is that its

[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-610008 ] Verifier too strict for 2.0 cmp 1.1 home

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Bugs item #610008, was opened at 2002-09-16 18:29 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376685aid=610008group_id=22866 Category: JBossServer Group: v3.2 Status: Closed Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Submitted By: Scott M Stark (starksm) Assigned to:

[JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] RE: Indexing of finders

2002-09-19 Thread Kevin Conner
Hiya Dain. That is me. I like this feature. Are you thinking about just adding an empty tag to the cmp-field element. Something like index/? I've managed to do the first part, specifying the indexes in the jbosscmp-jdbc.xml file. I've included the changes made to the 3.0.2 download

Re: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Michael Rettig
From: Chris Kimpton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go for it! The main issue with the current setup is that its only accessible by me and its a couple of cobbled together scripts that only I know. Once I get it up and running, and if it proves it's worth, then we can integrate this into CVS, so all can

Re: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Michael Rettig
From: Jules Gosnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:21:33 +0100 A master which watches a [CVS] repository, maintains a list of builds-to-be-done (branch/label, jvm, OS etc), and a list of slave machines (and their OS). The master sends ant scripts to slaves which are capable

RE: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Matt Munz
Jules, an SF@Home A great idea. I wonder if this something that could be accomplished with the JBoss+Grid Computing toolset... If the testing is done on the slaves, this would allow multiplatform testing to projects that can't afford to buy and maintain a bunch of different systems. -

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Matt Munz
Jason, I have been thinking about using script todo most of the complicated stuff, deal with the includes and make the module integration stuff work better. FYI, an alternative to using javascript (or another scripting language) in your XML to provide complex ant-based algorithms is to

RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] RE: Indexing of finders

2002-09-19 Thread Kevin Conner
The transaction is being used in autocommit mode/ no jta tx. Yep, that's what I meant to say. What advantage is there is turning off autocommit for this? My impression is that some databases execute ddl outside of a tx no matter what the settings. The only purpose was to commit or

[JBoss-dev] SpyQueue JNDI name inconsistency

2002-09-19 Thread Barlow, Dustin
There is a small inconsistency in the hardcoded JNDI name for JMS queues when error messages are output. I had an incorrect jndi name on one of my MDB's and the error message I got was that QUEUE.myQueue was not found instead of queue/myQueue. A bit puzzled by the QUEUE. name, I searched the

[JBoss-dev] Re: [Tapestry-developer] attach() not called

2002-09-19 Thread hlship
I don't have enough information to proceed from here. Are you doing anything tricky on this page, such as Block/RenderBlock? It sounds like something, somewhere, is holding a reference to a component or page not within the current page. Nothing in Tapestry does that. Are you passing a

[JBoss-dev] CVS problems / broken build

2002-09-19 Thread Alex Loubyansky
Hello guys, I probably broke the build. I committed one file and then the connection to cvs was lost. I am very sorry and will correct it as soon as I am able. -- Best regards, Alex Loubyansky --- This sf.net email is sponsored

[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-610223 ] Classloader NPE in dependent redeploy

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Bugs item #610223, was opened at 2002-09-16 21:49 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376685aid=610223group_id=22866 Category: JBossMX Group: v3.2 Status: Open Resolution: Fixed Priority: 7 Submitted By: Michael Bartmann (bartmann) Assigned to: David

Re: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] RE: Indexing of finders

2002-09-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Kevin, Can you post this patch at source forge? Assign it to dsundstrom. -dain Kevin Conner wrote: Hiya Dain. That is me. I like this feature. Are you thinking about just adding an empty tag to the cmp-field element. Something like index/? I've managed to do the first part,

[JBoss-dev] [AUTOMATED] (HEAD) JBoss compilation failed

2002-09-19 Thread chris
= ==THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - SEE http://www.lubega.com FOR DETAILS= = JAVA VERSION DETAILS java version 1.4.0_01 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard

RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] RE: Indexing of finders

2002-09-19 Thread Kevin Conner
Can you post this patch at source forge? Assign it to dsundstrom. Yep, no problem. It will have to be in the morning though (UK time). I've made changes to the source after David's comments, just removed the autocommit/commit/rollback stuff. Kev Kevin Conner Orchard Information

[JBoss-dev] picture missing in cvs guide

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
I have emailed before about this, but anyone have the following picture, (so could send it to me?), i'm planning our cvs politics, and i think this picture could be of help in undertanding cvs guide. Thanks in advance http://www.jboss.org/pictures/cvs_structure.png --

[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Feature Requests-611695 ] Deadlock graph in DeadlockException

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Feature Requests item #611695, was opened at 2002-09-19 12:03 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376688aid=611695group_id=22866 Category: JBossTX Group: v4.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Dain Sundstrom (dsundstrom) Assigned

[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Change Notes-611735 ] primary key generation support

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Change Notes item #611735, was opened at 2002-09-19 21:24 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=381174aid=611735group_id=22866 Category: None Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Submitted By: Alexey Loubyansky (loubyansky) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous

Re: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Jules Gosnell
Michael Rettig wrote: From: Jules Gosnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:21:33 +0100 A master which watches a [CVS] repository, maintains a list of builds-to-be-done (branch/label, jvm, OS etc), and a list of slave machines (and their OS). The master sends ant scripts to

Re: [JBoss-dev] Continuous Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Jules Gosnell
Exactly, and if you had an interest in using the project on an obscure platform, with the agreement of the project, you could just loan them your machine, from a distance Jules Matt Munz wrote: Jules, an SF@Home A great idea. I wonder if this something that could be

Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
could you explain how, please? Jason Dillon wrote: Hey. It is needed because the build scripts are using the 'resource' protocol to include files. Since Ant does not have a mechanism to include scripts we are forced to use the XML mechanism. Ant does provide a method to load an entity

RE: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
How what? --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding could you explain how,

RE: [JBoss-dev] picture missing in cvs guide

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
I got tired of seeing complaints about this... so I fixed it ;) --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
Jason Dillon wrote: How what? --jason : ) how to configure 'resource' as the protocol : ) i mean, i have checkout jboss-all and want to build it. what else i need to type ./run.sh and just watch the build ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL

RE: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
As I said before =P... you need to set this property: -Djava.protocol.handler.pkgs=org.jboss.net.protocol (look at jboss-all/build/build.sh for an example... it is close to the bottom). You also need to make sure that jboss-all/tools/lib/buildmagic-tasks.jar is in your classpath. Actually you

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
Anymove that restores that ability to run our build in Ant aware tools is a good thing. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
I don't really see how module local tests are any improvement over the test and one-test targets in the existing testsuite module. In some ways it is a problem because now you have additional dependencies to build and run the tests in the module. Scott Stark Chief

Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
i think i still didn't get the point : -Djava.protocol.handler.pkgs=org.jboss.net.protocol is already at /build/build.sh (line 174): # need to specify planet57/buildmagic protocol handler package ANT_OPTS=$ANT_OPTS -Djava.protocol.handler.pkgs=org.jboss.net.protocol i tried to put

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
They are an improvement, though the extent of that will vary from user to user. For example, it is much easier to say: ./cluster/build.sh tests Than to figure out the test class names and then look up the proper target to call and the properties to set (in case you forgot, like I always do).

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
I think that we can probably do this... such that any Ant (greater than the supported version) would work... but it will require some effort to figure out a way to allow scripts to share data. I think that using the script task could possibly help resolve many of the include issues. I am

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
They'd probably solve the problem of 7 minutes to build to run a single test that I experience. Moving stuff to module specific test dirs would be a lot of work. I wonder if instead we could make dir-specific generic build targets -- something like in ${test.module} run xdoclet, compile all

RE: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Hrm... *getting slightly frustrated* How did you get the sources to JBoss? What operating system are you running? What version of Java are you using? Which shell are you using? --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Juha-P Lindfors
jbossmx already has its own module specific test suite rather than integrating with the jboss testsuite module so I would welcome the change jason suggests where jboss testsuite integrates tests from individual modules if they exist -- Juha On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, David Jencks wrote: They'd

Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
Jason Dillon wrote: Hrm... *getting slightly frustrated* me too... How did you get the sources to JBoss? checkout (using eclipse) from jboss-all module What operating system are you running? linux SuSe 8.0 What version of Java are you using? java version 1.4.0_01 Java(TM) 2

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
I am convinced that is the way to go... it is really a matter of how and when really. --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Juha-P Lindfors Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

RE: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Do me a favor. Check out the sources by hand using: cvs -d whatever get jboss-all Then see if that builds. Change whatever to the correct CVSROOT though ;) --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin -

[JBoss-dev] Jetty Integration

2002-09-19 Thread Luttrell, Peter
I just switched from using Tomcat to Jetty with all work (JBoss3.0.2 on w2k). I have noticed that hot deployments no longer work of webapps! Here's the error that I get: HTTP ERROR: 500 jzentry == 0, jzfile = 199988168, total = 56, name = C:\Documents and Settings\my-username\Local

Re: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
ok, i'll try that, but it was suppose to work checking out through eclipse, isn't? Jason Dillon wrote: Do me a favor. Check out the sources by hand using: cvs -d whatever get jboss-all Then see if that builds. Change whatever to the correct CVSROOT though ;) --jason

RE: [JBoss-dev] error when buiding

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Never tried... should but, I have no idea what Eclipse is really doing. Doing it by hand will help isolate the problem, but taking Eclipse out of the picture. --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI

[JBoss-dev] AspectJ and the JBoss aspect stuff...

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Just curious if anyone has looked at AspectJ... if you have please ignore me. --jason --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___

[JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
I would like to collect a list of all of the current complaints about the current build system and any desired features, so I can begin to evaluate the options. Please, I don't care how harsh the complaint or how ridiculous the desire... TELL ME... PLEASE. --jason

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.09.19 18:05:46 -0400 Scott M Stark wrote: Add -Dnojars=true during the run of the single test and zero compilation time is the result. Umm, yes, I know about nojars, I wrote it. It doesn't help much if you changed the test and need to recompile, the situation I find time consuming.

Re: [JBoss-dev] AspectJ and the JBoss aspect stuff...

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
Just marginally, and quite a while ago, it has syntax extensions and a special compiler, and does compile-time aspects. The jboss stuff is runtime. My guess is that the AspectJ stuff can do more than runtime aspects and is faster, but less flexible (at runtime). david jencks On 2002.09.19

Re: [JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
I'd like it to be easier to compile one module and have the results show up in the build directory. There might be an easy way to do this now but I haven't found it. Other projects (xdoclet) use a push model rather than your pull model. I understand the advantages of the pull model but wonder

RE: [JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Thanks for the input. I will work on that. Initially BM was a push model, but that doesn't work so well when you use a module from the jboss project in another project (like jboss-mx or jboss-mq). I think I might implement a push/pull, where the notification to pull is pushed from the

RE: [JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Yeah, that is the ticket. I say the docs for this, but is said the default was {0} and {0}Home... but for local it is really {0}Local and {0}LocalHome. Thanks. --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Jencks Sent:

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
I still don't buy it. Many of the existing tests involve several functional modules so how do I associate the test with its module? The compilation issue is a simple by product of having a huge monolithic build file, and further complicated by xdoclet having to be run as a first pass to generate

RE: [JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Hrm... I must be crazy... how did this get to this list. Hrm... --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jason Dillon Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Give me your

Re: [JBoss-dev] XADataSource wrapper for JBoss 4

2002-09-19 Thread Jamie Burns
By way of reminder, the exception is: javax.transaction.xa.XAException at com.microsoft.jdbcx.base.BaseXAResource.checkXid(Unknown Source) at com.microsoft.jdbcx.base.BaseXAResource.start(Unknown Source) at org.jboss.resource.adapter.jdbc.xa.XAManagedConnection.start(XAManagedConnec

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Okay, no worries. What don't you get? Which tests specifically are you thinking of when you say then involve several functional modules? Just one for an example, so I can see where you are coming from is fine. Basically most of jboss/testsuite will remain the same, as many of those tests

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.09.19 19:32:25 -0400 Scott M Stark wrote: I still don't buy it. Many of the existing tests involve several functional modules so how do I associate the test with its module? I see your point, many of the jmx tests that test system module functionality rely on ejbs, etc etc, to

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
Where is the include task documented... I didn't find it on their website. --jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Jencks Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev]

Re: [JBoss-dev] Give me your build system complaints or desires...

2002-09-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
I would really like the build.xml files to be consistently indented. It is also really annoying for them to have 2 spaces instead of 3 like the rest of jboss (I have to tab by hand now or reset my vim environment). Also, I think we should make ant complain if invoked without the build

RE: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Jason Dillon
So are you suggesting that there be, more or less, a build file per testsuite directory (e.g. org/jboss/test/jmx gets a build.xml)? Then the testsuite/build.xml calls each of them? No, I am suggesting there be a testsuite in each module. build/build.xml would be configured to recurse into

[JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(HEAD Matrix2) Testsuite Results: 20-September-2002

2002-09-19 Thread chris
Number of tests run: 720 Successful tests: 673 Errors:42 Failures: 5 [time of test: 20 September 2002 1:39 GMT] [java.version: 1.3.1_03] [java.vendor: Sun

Re: [JBoss-dev] Deployment hosed in HEAD

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
I don't know why you'd get the cnfe but I think I probably fixed the 2nd problem in HEAD. Let me know if not. thanks david jencks On 2002.09.14 13:38:50 -0400 Dain Sundstrom wrote: Deployment is still hosed in HEAD. I am working on the Forums/JBoss code and when I deploy I copy the mysql

Re: [JBoss-dev] Deployment hosed in HEAD

2002-09-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
This message is old. It works fine now. -dain David Jencks wrote: I don't know why you'd get the cnfe but I think I probably fixed the 2nd problem in HEAD. Let me know if not. thanks david jencks On 2002.09.14 13:38:50 -0400 Dain Sundstrom wrote: Deployment is still hosed in HEAD.

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
Security is one example. There is secured sockets to the various interceptors, web container, JMS, etc. which are basic transport tests that affects several models. Then there is declarative security that could be in one component layer, or involve the propagation across layers. Naming is

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
On 2002.09.19 20:48:17 -0400 Jason Dillon wrote: So are you suggesting that there be, more or less, a build file per testsuite directory (e.g. org/jboss/test/jmx gets a build.xml)? Then the testsuite/build.xml calls each of them? No, I am suggesting there be a testsuite in each module.

Re: [JBoss-dev] Build System... any ideas

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
There seems to be an import and an include and I'm not completely sure what the difference is or where the include task is. The import might get into ant 1.6 and is already part of centipede. Here's the code for import: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-ant/proposal/embed/#dirlist

[JBoss-dev] JMX ObjectNames and useful property encoding

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
The JMX ObjectName syntax does not allow for many useful key/value pairs found commonly in a J2EE platform. We have run up against this already when using the EJB JNDI name as a property in an ObjectName. The simplest example is a JNDI name that is a URL(jnp://xzy.dom.com/ejb/myhome). Now we got

Re: [JBoss-dev] XADataSource wrapper for JBoss 4

2002-09-19 Thread Igor Fedorenko
Jamie Burns wrote: By way of reminder, the exception is: javax.transaction.xa.XAException at com.microsoft.jdbcx.base.BaseXAResource.checkXid(Unknown Source) at com.microsoft.jdbcx.base.BaseXAResource.start(Unknown Source) at

[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-540049 ] Exception Cleanup

2002-09-19 Thread noreply
Bugs item #540049, was opened at 2002-04-05 16:09 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376685aid=540049group_id=22866 Category: JBossSX Group: v3.0 Rabbit Hole Status: Closed Resolution: Out of Date Priority: 4 Submitted By: Peter Luttrell (objec)

Re: [JBoss-dev] XADataSource wrapper for JBoss 4

2002-09-19 Thread David Jencks
I think jboss always gives you a real branch xid whereas the test code that is failing is supplying a xid with nothing in the branch. We should change the tests to make an xid, then get a branch from that xid to use with the xaresource. Not sure when I'll have time to look... david jencks On

[JBoss-dev] Proxy generator broken

2002-09-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Does anyone know how the proxy generator works? It looks like it it totally broken in head. When I deploy any cmp2 bean I get the following exception: 22:27:28,336 ERROR [EntityContainer] Starting failed: org.jboss.util.NestedRuntimeException: Failed to create new proxy target; - nested

[JBoss-dev] JBossCMP: new ways to create entity beans

2002-09-19 Thread Alex Loubyansky
Hello folks! JBossCMP now provides some new ways to setup and create entity beans. It is based on so called entity commands. First some working examples (snippet from jbosscmp-jdbc.xml): entity ejb-nameMyCMPBean/ejb-name table-namemycmp_table/table-name !-- auto-incremented primary key

[JBoss-dev] N.Y. Open house tonight at 7pm

2002-09-19 Thread Scott M Stark
Don't forget to attend the free JBoss open house at the New York Marriott East Side at 7pm tonight, Thursday Sep 19. See the following link for information on the Marriot location: http://www.marriott.com/epp/default.asp?MarshaCode=NYCEA Scott Stark Chief Technology