[JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços

Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, there will be
a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :

Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 2giga
RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes of this kind do we
need?

I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though question, indeed. I
think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain when
you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the communication needed
among the nodes to keep the data replicated.

Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario like
this? jboss group, any clue ??

What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication overhead?

Thanks in advance for any answer : )


-- 

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| Analista de Sistemas Sr. |
| Tel : (051) 3358-4959|
| SICREDI Serviços |
| Porto Alegre - Brasil|
|xx|



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RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread Bill Burke

- You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP load-balancer for
your web traffic.  Make sure it supports sticky sessions.  You can try
Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and
Tomcat can be hooked in.

- Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If its ok for a
user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not using JBoss clustering
features at all, (Except for net boot and maybe farming).

- On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a 10% hit on
performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.  You'll probably have more
than 2 boxes(but not much more).

- I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one JVM/process.  You'll get
better performance.

- Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply that number by 2
just to be safe.

- Next you'll need to write a stress test program

- Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with all of this. :)

- Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support contract from
JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)

At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and JBoss, 1 dual 900Mgz
PIII running Oracle.  We could support traffic from 10K merchants.  But
that's our application.  How many users your app can support on a given
piece of hardware is totally dependent on the type of application you're
running.

DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!

Bill





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 Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss


 Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, there will be
 a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :

 Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
 offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
 Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 2giga
 RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes of this kind do we
 need?

 I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though question, indeed. I
 think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain when
 you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the communication needed
 among the nodes to keep the data replicated.

 Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario like
 this? jboss group, any clue ??

 What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication overhead?

 Thanks in advance for any answer : )


 --
 
 | Emerson Cargnin  |
 | Analista de Sistemas Sr. |
 | Tel : (051) 3358-4959|
 | SICREDI Serviços |
 | Porto Alegre - Brasil|
 |xx|



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RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread James Higginbotham

Bill,

This is interesting about not using clustering.. Are you guys using CMP at all? If so, 
how do you suggest synching the entity beans without using clustering? On a site 
without CMP, you can usually get away from clustering, but wondering if you have used 
the equiv of Javelin to do distributed caching, deployed the CMPs a specific way, or 
just depend on pessimistic locking and the DB vendor. 

Thanks,
James

 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:47 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
 
 
 - You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP 
 load-balancer for your web traffic.  Make sure it supports 
 sticky sessions.  You can try Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you 
 want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and Tomcat can be hooked in.
 
 - Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If 
 its ok for a user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not 
 using JBoss clustering features at all, (Except for net boot 
 and maybe farming).
 
 - On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a 
 10% hit on performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.  
 You'll probably have more than 2 boxes(but not much more).
 
 - I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one 
 JVM/process.  You'll get better performance.
 
 - Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply 
 that number by 2 just to be safe.
 
 - Next you'll need to write a stress test program
 
 - Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with 
 all of this. :)
 
 - Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support 
 contract from JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)
 
 At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and 
 JBoss, 1 dual 900Mgz PIII running Oracle.  We could support 
 traffic from 10K merchants.  But that's our application.  How 
 many users your app can support on a given piece of hardware 
 is totally dependent on the type of application you're running.
 
 DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:59 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
 
 
  Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, 
 there will 
  be a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :
 
  Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800 
  offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices). 
  Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 
  2giga RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes 
 of this kind 
  do we need?
 
  I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though 
 question, indeed. 
  I think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain 
  when you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the 
 communication 
  needed among the nodes to keep the data replicated.
 
  Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario 
  like this? jboss group, any clue ??
 
  What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication 
  overhead?
 
  Thanks in advance for any answer : )
 
 
  --
  
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  | Analista de Sistemas Sr. |
  | Tel : (051) 3358-4959|
  | SICREDI Serviços |
  | Porto Alegre - Brasil|
  |xx|
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] Building JBoss / Tomcat bundle for Tomcat 4.1.x

2002-10-16 Thread Jeffrey Wescott

Hey, all.

I'm trying to build a JBoss 3.0.x / Tomcat 4.1.x bundle (for internal use at 
my company) as an interim until JBoss 3.0.4 is officially released.  When I 
build a bundle with Tomcat 4.0.x, following the instructions in the readme 
file in the catalina directory works fine.  However, when I try the same 
instructions for Tomcat 4.1.x, I get build breaks related to XML stuff (see 
below).

I'm pretty sure it's possible to bundle 4.1.x because there is a 
JBoss-3.0.3_Tomcat-4.1.12 available for download on SourceForge.  Has 
something changed?  What am I doing wrong?

++jeff


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

jeff@faramir:~/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina$ ./build.sh bundle
Searching for build.xml ...
Buildfile: /home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/build.xml

_buildmagic:init:

_buildmagic:init:buildlog:

configure:

init:

compile-classes:
[mkdir] Created dir: /home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/output/classes
[javac] Compiling 28 source files to 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/output/classes
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/AddEngineAction.java:7:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.SaxContext;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/AddEngineAction.java:8:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.XmlAction;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/AddEngineAction.java:16:
 
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol  : class XmlAction
[javac] location: class org.jboss.web.catalina.AddEngineAction
[javac] public class AddEngineAction extends XmlAction
[javac]  ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/AddEngineAction.java:24:
 
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol  : class SaxContext
[javac] location: class org.jboss.web.catalina.AddEngineAction
[javac]public void end(SaxContext ctx) throws Exception
[javac]^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/ConfigHandler.java:19:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.SaxContext;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/ConfigHandler.java:20:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.XmlAction;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:5:
 
warning: org.xml.sax.AttributeList in org.xml.sax has been deprecated
[javac] import org.xml.sax.AttributeList;
[javac]^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:9:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.SaxContext;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:10:
 
package org.apache.catalina.util.xml does not exist
[javac] import org.apache.catalina.util.xml.XmlAction;
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:18:
 
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol  : class XmlAction
[javac] location: class org.jboss.web.catalina.EngineCreateAction
[javac] public class EngineCreateAction extends XmlAction
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:51:
 
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol  : class SaxContext
[javac] location: class org.jboss.web.catalina.EngineCreateAction
[javac]public void start(SaxContext ctx) throws Exception
[javac]  ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/EngineCreateAction.java:75:
 
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol  : class SaxContext
[javac] location: class org.jboss.web.catalina.EngineCreateAction
[javac]public void cleanup( SaxContext ctx)
[javac] ^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/LoggedXmlMapper.java:4:
 
warning: org.xml.sax.AttributeList in org.xml.sax has been deprecated
[javac] import org.xml.sax.AttributeList;
[javac]^
[javac] 
/home/jeff/jboss/jboss-3.0/catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/LoggedXmlMapper.java:8:
 
package 

Re: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread lsanders

Some additional comments:

1) If a hardware load balancer is out of the budget (Cisco local director series
start at about $4000 - not too expensive), then I would recommend looking at
Linux Virtual Server (http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/).  It is basically a
customized Linux kernel to do the same stuff as the hardware solution.
2) We do not want to use clustered http sessions, because frankly our sessions
are too damn bloated (yeah - we need to fix that, but alas there is only so much
time in a day).  I was thinking about a way to cluster just enough session info
to preserve login context, but to ignore the rest of the junk that is not needed
(most of the our http session info is just database cache that can be recreated
as needed).  Basically, the clustered servers would only share
session-id/login-id pairs.  I haven't spent any time actually working on this,
but I would love to hear comments.  Might this be useful to others?

-Larry


 - You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP load-balancer for
 your web traffic.  Make sure it supports sticky sessions.  You can try
 Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and
 Tomcat can be hooked in.

 - Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If its ok for a
 user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not using JBoss clustering
 features at all, (Except for net boot and maybe farming).

 - On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a 10% hit on
 performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.  You'll probably have more
 than 2 boxes(but not much more).

 - I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one JVM/process.  You'll get
 better performance.

 - Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply that number by 2
 just to be safe.

 - Next you'll need to write a stress test program

 - Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with all of this. :)

 - Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support contract from
 JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)

 At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and JBoss, 1 dual 900Mgz
 PIII running Oracle.  We could support traffic from 10K merchants.  But
 that's our application.  How many users your app can support on a given
 piece of hardware is totally dependent on the type of application you're
 running.

 DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!

 Bill





  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:59 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
 
 
  Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, there will be
  a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :
 
  Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
  offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
  Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 2giga
  RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes of this kind do we
  need?
 
  I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though question, indeed. I
  think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain when
  you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the communication needed
  among the nodes to keep the data replicated.
 
  Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario like
  this? jboss group, any clue ??
 
  What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication overhead?
 
  Thanks in advance for any answer : )
 
 
  --
  
  | Emerson Cargnin  |
  | Analista de Sistemas Sr. |
  | Tel : (051) 3358-4959|
  | SICREDI Serviços |
  | Porto Alegre - Brasil|
  |xx|
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread scott . stark


Number of tests run:   949



Successful tests:  948
Errors:1
Failures:  0



[time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
[java.version: 1.3.1]
[java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
[java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
[java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
[java.vm.info: mixed mode]
[os.name: Mac OS X]
[os.arch: ppc]
[os.version: 10.2.1]

See http://lubega.com/testarchive/${build.uid} for details of this test.

See http://lubega.com for general test information.

NOTE: If there are any errors shown above - this mail is only highlighting 
them - it is NOT indicating that they are being looked at by anyone.
Remember - if a test becomes broken after your changes - fix it or fix the test!





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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread David Jencks

Hey scott, just what is this last failing test anyway?

david jencks

On 2002.10.16 16:05:11 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Number of tests run:   949
 
 
 
 Successful tests:  948
 Errors:1
 Failures:  0
 
 
 
 [time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
 [java.version: 1.3.1]
 [java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
 [java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
 [java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
 [java.vm.info: mixed mode]
 [os.name: Mac OS X]
 [os.arch: ppc]
 [os.version: 10.2.1]
 
 See http://lubega.com/testarchive/${build.uid} for details of this test.
 
 See http://lubega.com for general test information.
 
 NOTE: If there are any errors shown above - this mail is only
 highlighting 
 them - it is NOT indicating that they are being looked at by anyone.
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Matt Munz

While we're on the subject -- I'm unable to reach the junit reports from
lubega.com.  Does anyone have the right links for this?

  - Matt

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Jencks
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results:
16-October-2002


Hey scott, just what is this last failing test anyway?

david jencks

On 2002.10.16 16:05:11 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Number of tests run:   949

 

 Successful tests:  948
 Errors:1
 Failures:  0

 

 [time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
 [java.version: 1.3.1]
 [java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
 [java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
 [java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
 [java.vm.info: mixed mode]
 [os.name: Mac OS X]
 [os.arch: ppc]
 [os.version: 10.2.1]

 See http://lubega.com/testarchive/${build.uid} for details of this test.

 See http://lubega.com for general test information.

 NOTE: If there are any errors shown above - this mail is only
 highlighting
 them - it is NOT indicating that they are being looked at by anyone.
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 the test!

 



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Re: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços

other unrelated point :

We'll use web layer at the bank offices to avoid wasting band, so : is 
there a way to use load-balance at the ejb layer???
because I think that modjk does it just for http request, am I right??

lsanders wrote:
 Some additional comments:
 
 1) If a hardware load balancer is out of the budget (Cisco local director series
 start at about $4000 - not too expensive), then I would recommend looking at
 Linux Virtual Server (http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/).  It is basically a
 customized Linux kernel to do the same stuff as the hardware solution.
 2) We do not want to use clustered http sessions, because frankly our sessions
 are too damn bloated (yeah - we need to fix that, but alas there is only so much
 time in a day).  I was thinking about a way to cluster just enough session info
 to preserve login context, but to ignore the rest of the junk that is not needed
 (most of the our http session info is just database cache that can be recreated
 as needed).  Basically, the clustered servers would only share
 session-id/login-id pairs.  I haven't spent any time actually working on this,
 but I would love to hear comments.  Might this be useful to others?
 
 -Larry
 
 
 
- You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP load-balancer for
your web traffic.  Make sure it supports sticky sessions.  You can try
Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and
Tomcat can be hooked in.

- Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If its ok for a
user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not using JBoss clustering
features at all, (Except for net boot and maybe farming).

- On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a 10% hit on
performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.  You'll probably have more
than 2 boxes(but not much more).

- I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one JVM/process.  You'll get
better performance.

- Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply that number by 2
just to be safe.

- Next you'll need to write a stress test program

- Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with all of this. :)

- Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support contract from
JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)

At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and JBoss, 1 dual 900Mgz
PIII running Oracle.  We could support traffic from 10K merchants.  But
that's our application.  How many users your app can support on a given
piece of hardware is totally dependent on the type of application you're
running.

DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!

Bill






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Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss


Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, there will be
a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :

Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 2giga
RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes of this kind do we
need?

I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though question, indeed. I
think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain when
you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the communication needed
among the nodes to keep the data replicated.

Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario like
this? jboss group, any clue ??

What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication overhead?

Thanks in advance for any answer : )


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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Scott M Stark

The service missing a class test which is expected to fail in 3.0.

- Original Message - 
From: David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002


 Hey scott, just what is this last failing test anyway?
 
 david jencks
 
 On 2002.10.16 16:05:11 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Number of tests run:   949
  
  
  
  Successful tests:  948
  Errors:1
  Failures:  0
  
  
  
  [time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
  [java.version: 1.3.1]
  [java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
  [java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
  [java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
  [java.vm.info: mixed mode]
  [os.name: Mac OS X]
  [os.arch: ppc]
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RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread Bill Burke

Easy.

How to sync Entities?  Use Commit 'B' and row-locking if using CMP, or
select...for update for BMPs in ejbLoad.  row-locking uses Select ...FOR
UPDATE on ejbLoad.

In CVS HEAD, Sacha and I have implemented a distributed cache via cache
invalidation, but we still rely on DB for the distributed lock.  A real
Clustered distributed lock is in the works.

Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James
 Higginbotham
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:02 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss


 Bill,

 This is interesting about not using clustering.. Are you guys
 using CMP at all? If so, how do you suggest synching the entity
 beans without using clustering? On a site without CMP, you can
 usually get away from clustering, but wondering if you have used
 the equiv of Javelin to do distributed caching, deployed the CMPs
 a specific way, or just depend on pessimistic locking and the DB vendor.

 Thanks,
 James

  -Original Message-
  From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:47 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
 
 
  - You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP
  load-balancer for your web traffic.  Make sure it supports
  sticky sessions.  You can try Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you
  want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and Tomcat can be hooked in.
 
  - Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If
  its ok for a user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not
  using JBoss clustering features at all, (Except for net boot
  and maybe farming).
 
  - On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a
  10% hit on performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.
  You'll probably have more than 2 boxes(but not much more).
 
  - I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one
  JVM/process.  You'll get better performance.
 
  - Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply
  that number by 2 just to be safe.
 
  - Next you'll need to write a stress test program
 
  - Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with
  all of this. :)
 
  - Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support
  contract from JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)
 
  At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and
  JBoss, 1 dual 900Mgz PIII running Oracle.  We could support
  traffic from 10K merchants.  But that's our application.  How
  many users your app can support on a given piece of hardware
  is totally dependent on the type of application you're running.
 
  DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
   Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
   Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:59 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
  
  
   Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank,
  there will
   be a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :
  
   Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
   offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
   Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with
   2giga RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes
  of this kind
   do we need?
  
   I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though
  question, indeed.
   I think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain
   when you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the
  communication
   needed among the nodes to keep the data replicated.
  
   Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario
   like this? jboss group, any clue ??
  
   What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and replication
   overhead?
  
   Thanks in advance for any answer : )
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss

2002-10-16 Thread Bill Burke

JBoss clustering does load-balanching for ejb types.

EB's and SFSB's are sticky for performance reasons.

But all home invocations and SLSB invocations are round-robin by default.

IN JBoss 3.0.x CMP does not have a distributed cache.  So you would need to
use commit 'B'.

Hire us, we'll help you out.

Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:43 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss


 other unrelated point :

 We'll use web layer at the bank offices to avoid wasting band, so : is
 there a way to use load-balance at the ejb layer???
 because I think that modjk does it just for http request, am I right??

 lsanders wrote:
  Some additional comments:
 
  1) If a hardware load balancer is out of the budget (Cisco
 local director series
  start at about $4000 - not too expensive), then I would
 recommend looking at
  Linux Virtual Server (http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/).
 It is basically a
  customized Linux kernel to do the same stuff as the hardware solution.
  2) We do not want to use clustered http sessions, because
 frankly our sessions
  are too damn bloated (yeah - we need to fix that, but alas
 there is only so much
  time in a day).  I was thinking about a way to cluster just
 enough session info
  to preserve login context, but to ignore the rest of the junk
 that is not needed
  (most of the our http session info is just database cache that
 can be recreated
  as needed).  Basically, the clustered servers would only share
  session-id/login-id pairs.  I haven't spent any time actually
 working on this,
  but I would love to hear comments.  Might this be useful to others?
 
  -Larry
 
 
 
 - You'll probably want to buy some Hardware based HTTP load-balancer for
 your web traffic.  Make sure it supports sticky sessions.  You can try
 Apache + modjk + AJP13 if you want a cheap software solution.  Jetty and
 Tomcat can be hooked in.
 
 - Do you require HTTP Session replication and failover?  If its ok for a
 user to relogin after a failover, I suggest not using JBoss clustering
 features at all, (Except for net boot and maybe farming).
 
 - On the performance tests I ran(ECPERF), replication had a 10% hit on
 performance for 2 boxes running in a cluster.  You'll probably have more
 than 2 boxes(but not much more).
 
 - I suggest marrying the WEB and EJB layer into one
 JVM/process.  You'll get
 better performance.
 
 - Next what you have to do is guess peak traffic.  Multiply
 that number by 2
 just to be safe.
 
 - Next you'll need to write a stress test program
 
 - Next you'll need to hire JBossGroup to help you out with all
 of this. :)
 
 - Next you'll need to purchase a high quality support contract from
 JBossGroup to iron out any problems you may have :)
 
 At Mercantec we had 2 dual 900mhz CPU running Linux and JBoss,
 1 dual 900Mgz
 PIII running Oracle.  We could support traffic from 10K merchants.  But
 that's our application.  How many users your app can support on a given
 piece of hardware is totally dependent on the type of application you're
 running.
 
 DON'T USE CLUSTERING UNLESS YOU HAVE TO!
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] [JBoss-user] capacity planning to use jboss
 
 
 Today i got a question from my manager (i work in a bank, there will be
 a web layer at the bank office and a central ejb layer) :
 
 Emerson, how many boxes in the ejblayer do we need to support 800
 offices and more than 4000 simultaneous clients (from the offices).
 Imagine that you have available any number of xeon dual 2mhz with 2giga
 RAM connected through a gigabit lan, how many boxes of this kind do we
 need?
 
 I confess that i exitated a little. This is a though question,
 indeed. I
 think that CMP and mainly clustering will not have the same gain when
 you have too many nodes in the cluster, given the communication needed
 among the nodes to keep the data replicated.
 
 Does any one have any parameter for a capacity plan for a scenario like
 this? jboss group, any clue ??
 
 What could be the limit beetwen number of nodes and
 replication overhead?
 
 Thanks in advance for any answer : )
 
 
 --
 
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 | Analista de Sistemas Sr. |
 | Tel : (051) 3358-4959|
 | SICREDI Serviços |
 | Porto Alegre - Brasil|
 |xx|
 
 
 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] Eclipse and JBoss Howto posted.

2002-10-16 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços


Hiram Chirino wrote:
Hiram,

great news!

Two things though,

a) does this explain how to get servlet, jsp and ejb debugging 
working with 
jboss? Some of the other help files explain how to do this with 
independent 
versions of jboss and tomcat, but not for the integrated version.

Using EAISE plugin you can debug jboss/servlets/ejb's. To debug jsp's 
you have to make some configuration (explained at the site).



 
 
 No.  What I have setup is for the development of JBoss it self.  
 
 
b) if the website isn't going to be rebuilt soon, can you tell us 
where to 
find the file in the meantime?

 
 
 IF your are still interested, the JBoss website is in CVS.
 
 Regards,
 Hiram
 
 
cheers,

Bruce
 
 
 
 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços

I tested 3.0.4RC2 from jboss 3.0 HEAD and i got the following results 
(using jboss-3.0/testsuite ./build.sh tests)

tests   FailuresErrors  Success rateTime
917 1   41  95.42%  2341.579

is this correct or i missed something?

run-basic-testsuite target didn't exist anymore, maybe shoud be fine to 
change in the start guide.

Scott M Stark wrote:
 The service missing a class test which is expected to fail in 3.0.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 
16-October-2002
 
 
 
Hey scott, just what is this last failing test anyway?

david jencks

On 2002.10.16 16:05:11 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Number of tests run:   949



Successful tests:  948
Errors:1
Failures:  0



[time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
[java.version: 1.3.1]
[java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
[java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
[java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
[java.vm.info: mixed mode]
[os.name: Mac OS X]
[os.arch: ppc]
[os.version: 10.2.1]


 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] JMS Delivery Threads/Arch question

2002-10-16 Thread Brian Towles

Howdy all

Ive been messing with the JMS Selectors to implement the ability to do a
delivery time on a message for MDBs.  Basically added in a
CURRENT_TIMESTAMP into the selector which gets translated into the
current time on parsing. (Its not in spec but i need some sort of delay
mechanism).

Problem is i cant seem to find a thread which looks over the messages on
the queue currently and compares them to current subscribers selectors
again.  This appears to be only checking on initial receipt of the
message on the queue.

Is this actually the case or am I just missing something?

Thanks
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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Scott M Stark

You need to run the testsuite against the all configuration. Was that the case?


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002


I tested 3.0.4RC2 from jboss 3.0 HEAD and i got the following results
(using jboss-3.0/testsuite ./build.sh tests)

tests Failures Errors Success rate Time
917 1 41 95.42% 2341.579

is this correct or i missed something?

run-basic-testsuite target didn't exist anymore, maybe shoud be fine to
change in the start guide.




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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Adrian Brock

Emerson,

./run.sh -c all

David.
Your fix from 4.0 works in 3.0 with some small modifications,
but it broke the MBean context classloader.

Don't worry, I've fixed it in head.

I want to change registerMBean to automatically pick up the current
context classloader, just like it does when you fork a new thread.
I think this is more intuitive.

Any objections to me doing this in 3.2 and head?

Regards,
Adrian

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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 
16-October-2002
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:53 -0200

I tested 3.0.4RC2 from jboss 3.0 HEAD and i got the following results 
(using jboss-3.0/testsuite ./build.sh tests)

tests  FailuresErrors  Success rateTime
9171   41  95.42%  2341.579

is this correct or i missed something?

run-basic-testsuite target didn't exist anymore, maybe shoud be fine to 
change in the start guide.

Scott M Stark wrote:
The service missing a class test which is expected to fail in 3.0.

- Original Message - From: David Jencks 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 
16-October-2002



Hey scott, just what is this last failing test anyway?

david jencks

On 2002.10.16 16:05:11 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Number of tests run:   949



Successful tests:  948
Errors:1
Failures:  0



[time of test: 16 October 2002 12:52 GMT]
[java.version: 1.3.1]
[java.vendor: Apple Computer, Inc.]
[java.vm.version: 1.3.1_03-69]
[java.vm.name: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM]
[java.vm.info: mixed mode]
[os.name: Mac OS X]
[os.arch: ppc]
[os.version: 10.2.1]





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Re: [JBoss-dev] Automated JBoss(Branch_3_0) Testsuite Results: 16-October-2002

2002-10-16 Thread Emerson Cargnin - SICREDI Serviços

oops : )  i did it with default conf. : )

Scott M Stark wrote:
 You need to run the testsuite against the all configuration. Was that the case?
 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
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 I tested 3.0.4RC2 from jboss 3.0 HEAD and i got the following results
 (using jboss-3.0/testsuite ./build.sh tests)
 
 tests Failures Errors Success rate Time
 917 1 41 95.42% 2341.579
 
 is this correct or i missed something?
 
 run-basic-testsuite target didn't exist anymore, maybe shoud be fine to
 change in the start guide.
 
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Patches-624402 ] Patch for Bug #613214

2002-10-16 Thread noreply

Patches item #624402, was opened at 2002-10-16 20:46
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Category: JBossServer
Group: v3.0 Rabbit Hole
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Dave Slotnick (slotnick2)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Patch for Bug #613214

Initial Comment:
This is a patch for bug #613214; I overrode
isIdentical() in EntityProxy.java to compare both
jndiName and ID instead of just the ID. 

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[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-624449 ] XML Parser class path priority

2002-10-16 Thread noreply

Bugs item #624449, was opened at 2002-10-17 01:01
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Category: JBossWeb
Group: v3.0 Rabbit Hole
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Archimedes Trajano (trajano)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: XML Parser class path priority

Initial Comment:
If the WEB-INF\lib directory contains an XML parser.  
Shouldn't it be the one selected by JAXP instead of 
Crimson which is installed in the JBoss\lib directory.

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[JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-623562 ] System.out and System.err ineffective

2002-10-16 Thread noreply

Bugs item #623562, was opened at 2002-10-15 10:29
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Category: JBossTest
Group: CVS HEAD
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 6
Submitted By: Matthew Munz (mattmunz)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: System.out and System.err ineffective

Initial Comment:
I find it useful to place debug information in my test 
cases.  When a test fails, a few well placed 
system.out's or log.debug()'s can help when trying to 
figure out what went wrong.

This information is not making it to the console, or to the 
log file, as far as I can tell.  If System.out and 
System.err are being redirected, they should be directed 
somewhere useful, like a log file, or the console.



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Comment By: Archimedes Trajano (trajano)
Date: 2002-10-17 01:04

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=55322

Is there a way of getting the JBoss server to write out 
System.out and SYstem.err messages using Log4J to the 
console?

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Comment By: Matthew Munz (mattmunz)
Date: 2002-10-15 11:13

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Adrian,

  Thanks.  I found it in the XML output.  I think the HTML 
report should include this information.  Perhaps this can be 
the focus of this defect report?

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Comment By: Adrian Brock (ejort)
Date: 2002-10-15 10:43

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System.out and System.err are redirected to
testsuite/output/reports at the bottom of each test

log.debug is redirected to 
testsuite/output/log/test.log
It is cleared for every new test

Regards,
Adrian

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