Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
I don't know what JDT is. It was not I who suggested it. The JDT page says: http://www.eclipse.org/jdt/index.html The JDT project provides the tool plug-ins that implement a Java IDE supporting the development of any Java application, including Eclipse plug-ins. It adds a Java project nature and Java perspective to the Eclipse Workbench as well as a number of views, editors, wizards, builders, and code merging and refactoring tools. The JDT project allows Eclipse to be a development environment for itself. Not obviously an in memory compiler, but maybe in there somewhere. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: "julien viet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Scott M Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming > what is supposed to be eclipse JDT ? > > SMS> So get another compiler. We don't need no stinking JSR. > --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: ValueWeb: Dedicated Hosting for just $79/mo with 500 GB of bandwidth! No other company gives more support or power for your dedicated server http://click.atdmt.com/AFF/go/sdnxxaff00300020aff/direct/01/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
what is supposed to be eclipse JDT ? SMS> So get another compiler. We don't need no stinking JSR. SMS> SMS> Scott Stark SMS> Chief Technology Officer SMS> JBoss Group, LLC SMS> SMS> - Original Message - SMS> From: "Remy Maucherat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SMS> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SMS> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:13 AM SMS> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming >> Scott M Stark wrote: >> > We really have not looked into tweaking the jsp compiler layer to see if >> > the filesystem requirement can be replaced by an input stream or byte[] >> > view of classes as far as I know. Its something to look into as another >> > optimization/benefit of embedding the web container into JBoss. >> >> I don't see how you can do that. The problem is the Java compiler >> (there's already a JSR for that already, ETA is for Tiger). >> I recommed using JSP compilation to just get rid of the compilation crap >> at runtime. I think we should eventually recommend in the docs that >> people do that during the deployment process of the webapp. >> >> Remy SMS> --- SMS> This SF.net email is sponsored by: ValueWeb: SMS> Dedicated Hosting for just $79/mo with 500 GB of bandwidth! SMS> No other company gives more support or power for your dedicated server SMS> http://click.atdmt.com/AFF/go/sdnxxaff00300020aff/direct/01/ SMS> ___ SMS> Jboss-development mailing list SMS> [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMS> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: ValueWeb: Dedicated Hosting for just $79/mo with 500 GB of bandwidth! No other company gives more support or power for your dedicated server http://click.atdmt.com/AFF/go/sdnxxaff00300020aff/direct/01/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
julien, why don't you try to bring some of these guys in to do the compiler for NUKES? JSP like writing for advanced programmatic modules? marcf > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dain Sundstrom > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming > > > I talked with 2 compiler projects after JBoss boot camp and both were > interested in being integrated, but I dropped the ball and > got busy on > some other stuff. If anyone is interested in this I can send you the > contact info. > > -dain > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 10:37 AM, julien viet wrote: > > > Hello Marcel, > > > > Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:23:38 PM, you wrote: > > > > MA> julien viet wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>> JD> Though now that I think about it I would prefer that Java was > >>> more like > >>> JD> PHP in the sense of a light weight web application development > >>> language > >>> JD> with its rich extensions and apis. > >>> > >>> we discussed with Dain at boot camp and we wished > >>> having a way to dynamic compile a class, I mean with > >>> a java compiler written in java and taking class def from > >>> a classloader. > >>> > >>> That would enable a compilation service in jboss. Would > be great for > >>> nukes. Kopi compiler is written in 100% java and could be modified > >>> to achieve such results though I don't know about its license. > > > > MA> I did this for the PizzaCompiler as part of getting > Cocoon to work > > MA> without a JDK (only a JRE needed). For Pizza this is relatively > > MA> easy as it has pluggable resource-loaders (.class files are > > resources > > MA> to the compiler). The pizza compiler can be found at: > > > > cool, it could help for module or block scripting in Nukes, i.e get > > code class - fully generate class - compile it - generate xmbeam - > > deploy it > > > > pluggable resource loader is very helpfull, I don't know if we can > > have bytes of class through unified classloaders but that > would help. > > > > MA> http://pizzacompiler.sourceforge.net/ > > > > MA> I placed the sources for the pizza-loader and some wrapper and > > extension > > MA> classes needed to use it at: > > http://www.artefact.nl/pizza-loader.zip > > > > MA> I stripped of some extra's and commented out some lines > to keep it > > MA> simple and self hosting. > > > > MA> Hope this helps. > > > > MA> Regards, > > > > MA> Marcel Ammerlaan > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > --- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > > The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! > > NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! > > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en > > ___ > > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! > NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
I talked with 2 compiler projects after JBoss boot camp and both were interested in being integrated, but I dropped the ball and got busy on some other stuff. If anyone is interested in this I can send you the contact info. -dain On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 10:37 AM, julien viet wrote: Hello Marcel, Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:23:38 PM, you wrote: MA> julien viet wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) JD> Though now that I think about it I would prefer that Java was more like JD> PHP in the sense of a light weight web application development language JD> with its rich extensions and apis. we discussed with Dain at boot camp and we wished having a way to dynamic compile a class, I mean with a java compiler written in java and taking class def from a classloader. That would enable a compilation service in jboss. Would be great for nukes. Kopi compiler is written in 100% java and could be modified to achieve such results though I don't know about its license. MA> I did this for the PizzaCompiler as part of getting Cocoon to work MA> without a JDK (only a JRE needed). For Pizza this is relatively MA> easy as it has pluggable resource-loaders (.class files are resources MA> to the compiler). The pizza compiler can be found at: cool, it could help for module or block scripting in Nukes, i.e get code class - fully generate class - compile it - generate xmbeam - deploy it pluggable resource loader is very helpfull, I don't know if we can have bytes of class through unified classloaders but that would help. MA> http://pizzacompiler.sourceforge.net/ MA> I placed the sources for the pizza-loader and some wrapper and extension MA> classes needed to use it at: http://www.artefact.nl/pizza-loader.zip MA> I stripped of some extra's and commented out some lines to keep it MA> simple and self hosting. MA> Hope this helps. MA> Regards, MA> Marcel Ammerlaan -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
> cool, it could help for module or block scripting in Nukes, > i.e get code class - fully generate class - compile it - > generate xmbeam - deploy it > > pluggable resource loader is very helpfull, I don't know if > we can have bytes of class through unified classloaders but > that would help. We need JSP like scripting for NUKES, otherwise it will be very difficult to write advanced stuff in it. Let's take the forums to drive it. marcf --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
Hello Marcel, Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:23:38 PM, you wrote: MA> julien viet wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> JD> Though now that I think about it I would prefer that Java was more like >> JD> PHP in the sense of a light weight web application development language >> JD> with its rich extensions and apis. >> >> we discussed with Dain at boot camp and we wished >> having a way to dynamic compile a class, I mean with >> a java compiler written in java and taking class def from >> a classloader. >> >> That would enable a compilation service in jboss. Would be great >> for nukes. Kopi compiler is written in 100% java and could be modified >> to achieve such results though I don't know about its license. MA> I did this for the PizzaCompiler as part of getting Cocoon to work MA> without a JDK (only a JRE needed). For Pizza this is relatively MA> easy as it has pluggable resource-loaders (.class files are resources MA> to the compiler). The pizza compiler can be found at: cool, it could help for module or block scripting in Nukes, i.e get code class - fully generate class - compile it - generate xmbeam - deploy it pluggable resource loader is very helpfull, I don't know if we can have bytes of class through unified classloaders but that would help. MA> http://pizzacompiler.sourceforge.net/ MA> I placed the sources for the pizza-loader and some wrapper and extension MA> classes needed to use it at: http://www.artefact.nl/pizza-loader.zip MA> I stripped of some extra's and commented out some lines to keep it MA> simple and self hosting. MA> Hope this helps. MA> Regards, MA> Marcel Ammerlaan -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
It is certainly possible, though it does not look like the new features will inhibit PHP folks from coding they way they do now. It just looks like it will allow them to write better software. I spent the past 2 weeks writing a PHP application and over and over I wished for features like namespaces, exceptions and proper handling of object references. So the changes are welcome in my mind. But really anything to make PHP less like perl and more like Java/.NET is welcome. Though now that I think about it I would prefer that Java was more like PHP in the sense of a light weight web application development language with its rich extensions and apis. --jason On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 04:02 PM, julien viet wrote: not sure they will keep php community whith them. for me php success is settled on the fact php scripters don't have to worry about theses kinds of things. JD> Looks like Java Meets PHP with some .NET flavoring. I like it. JD> --jason JD> On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 04:56 PM, julien viet wrote: sorry I gave a wrong link : http://talks.php.net/show/php5intro jv> have a look at the new php 5 : http://talks.php.net jv> they added : exceptions, modifiers, interfaces, abstract, namespaces and more. jv> it's mono powered. jv> it seems that now they want to reach enterprise level and have jv> to get more credibility for that. jv> julien jv> --- jv> This SF.net email is sponsored by: jv> The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! jv> NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! jv> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en jv> ___ jv> Jboss-development mailing list jv> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jv> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development JD> --- JD> This SF.net email is sponsored by: JD> The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! JD> NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! JD> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en JD> ___ JD> Jboss-development mailing list JD> [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re[2]: [JBoss-dev] php5 is coming
not sure they will keep php community whith them. for me php success is settled on the fact php scripters don't have to worry about theses kinds of things. JD> Looks like Java Meets PHP with some .NET flavoring. I like it. JD> --jason JD> On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 04:56 PM, julien viet wrote: >> sorry I gave a wrong link : >> >> http://talks.php.net/show/php5intro >> >> >> jv> have a look at the new php 5 : http://talks.php.net >> >> jv> they added : exceptions, modifiers, interfaces, abstract, >> namespaces and more. >> jv> it's mono powered. >> >> jv> it seems that now they want to reach enterprise level and have >> jv> to get more credibility for that. >> >> jv> julien >> >> >> >> jv> --- >> jv> This SF.net email is sponsored by: >> jv> The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! >> jv> NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! >> jv> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en >> jv> ___ >> jv> Jboss-development mailing list >> jv> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jv> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> --- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: >> The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! >> NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! >> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en >> ___ >> Jboss-development mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development >> JD> --- JD> This SF.net email is sponsored by: JD> The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! JD> NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! JD> http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en JD> ___ JD> Jboss-development mailing list JD> [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development -- Best regards, julienmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
