Re: Java Platform Module System - Xlint?

2017-08-10 Thread Stephan Herrmann
From JLS 9.6.4.5: "For other kinds of warnings, compiler vendors should document the strings they support for @SuppressWarnings. Vendors are encouraged to cooperate to ensure that the same names work across multiple compilers." Any suggestions, how we can engage in such cooperation? In

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-06-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 06.06.2017 11:03, Alan Bateman wrote: On 06/06/2017 09:40, Stephan Herrmann wrote: This was viewed from the JLS p.o.v. But "read by M" is still not well-defined. All we see in the documentation of the referenced method is: "a readability graph is computed" With some further searching,

Re: Java Platform Module System - Xlint?

2017-06-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
I didn't see an answer to this question: On 30.04.2017 23:45, Stephan Herrmann wrote: On 30.04.2017 17:47, Alan Bateman wrote: On 30/04/2017 12:10, Stephan Herrmann wrote: : Java 9 could make "API leaks" either illegal or ineffective and thus rule out an entire category of ill-formed

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-06-06 Thread Alan Bateman
On 06/06/2017 09:40, Stephan Herrmann wrote: This was viewed from the JLS p.o.v. But "read by M" is still not well-defined. All we see in the documentation of the referenced method is: "a readability graph is computed" With some further searching, we find "readability graph" explained in

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-06-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 06.06.2017 10:15, Stephan Herrmann wrote: A quick editorial comment: On 29.04.2017 01:25, Alex Buckley wrote: > [...] I have changed 7.3 to state: > > "The host system must use the Java Platform Module System (as if by execution of the 'resolve' method of >

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-06-06 Thread Stephan Herrmann
A quick editorial comment: On 29.04.2017 01:25, Alex Buckley wrote: > [...] I have changed 7.3 to state: > > "The host system must use the Java Platform Module System (as if by execution of the 'resolve' method of > java.lang.module.Configuration) to determine which modules are read by M

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-23 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 01.05.2017 20:47, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/30/2017 3:25 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: For the question at hand, this is what we learn from that improved reference: "A readability graph is constructed" Now we only need a link to the specification that *defines* what is a readability graph

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-03 Thread Stephan Herrmann
ephan.herrm...@berlin.de> À: jigsaw-dev@openjdk.java.net, "Remi Forax" <fo...@univ-mlv.fr>, "Alex Buckley" <alex.buck...@oracle.com> Cc: "Brian Goetz" <brian.go...@oracle.com>, "Dan Smith" <daniel.sm...@oracle.com> Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Mai

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-03 Thread forax
@oracle.com>, "Dan Smith" > <daniel.sm...@oracle.com> > Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Mai 2017 23:31:14 > Objet: Re: Java Platform Module System > On 03.05.2017 20:55, Remi Forax wrote: > > It's context-free because a context free grammar defined its input

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-03 Thread Stephan Herrmann
..@in.ibm.com>, "Dan Smith" <daniel.sm...@oracle.com>, "Brian Goetz" <brian.go...@oracle.com> Cc: jigsaw-dev@openjdk.java.net Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Mai 2017 19:46:54 Objet: Re: Java Platform Module System On 5/2/2017 3:39 PM, Alex Buckley wrote: On 5/2/20

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-03 Thread Remi Forax
- > De: "Alex Buckley" <alex.buck...@oracle.com> > À: "Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran" <jarth...@in.ibm.com>, "Dan Smith" > <daniel.sm...@oracle.com>, "Brian Goetz" > <brian.go...@oracle.com> > Cc: jigsaw-dev@openjdk.ja

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-03 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/2/2017 3:39 PM, Alex Buckley wrote: On 5/2/2017 7:07 AM, Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran wrote: Chapter 2 in [1] describes context-free grammars. The addition to "3.9 Keywords" defines "restricted keywords", which prevent the grammar for ModuleDeclaration from being context-free. This

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-02 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/2/2017 7:07 AM, Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran wrote: Chapter 2 in [1] describes context-free grammars. The addition to "3.9 Keywords" defines "restricted keywords", which prevent the grammar for ModuleDeclaration from being context-free. This prevents compilers from using common parser

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-02 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/2/2017 5:13 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Thanks, Alex, for promising improvements in various places of the spec. Re: Multiple packages with the same name can be "visible" (helpful terminology for program analysis) but exactly one of these packages must be identified as the meaning of the

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-02 Thread Jayaprakash Artanareeswaran
/jigsaw/spec/java-se-9-jls-pr-diffs.pdf> (2017-02-22) - Original message - From: Stephan Herrmann <stephan.herrm...@berlin.de> Sent by: "jigsaw-dev" <jigsaw-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net> To: Alex Buckley <alex.buck...@oracle.com>, jigsaw-dev@openjdk.java.net C

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/1/2017 1:48 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: On 01.05.2017 22:17, Alex Buckley wrote: - Another reference links "automatic modules" into JLS and will probably link to ModuleFinder.of(Path...), right? This text is also an informative note. Automatic modules are discovered through

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 01.05.2017 22:17, Alex Buckley wrote: - Another reference links "automatic modules" into JLS and will probably link to ModuleFinder.of(Path...), right? This text is also an informative note. Automatic modules are discovered through ModuleFinder.of, sure, and they appear in other places

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/1/2017 12:40 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Asked differently: when it says "Generally, the rules of the Java programming language are more interested in dependences than dependencies." which are the aspects where the rules of the Java programming language *are* interested in

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Alex Buckley
On 5/1/2017 12:23 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Meanwhile I've come to the interpretation that the main weakness of JLS concerns handling of same-named packages in different modules. Trouble seems to start at a difference between 6.5.5.2 and 6.5.3.1/2: To identify a type, that type must be

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Alex Buckley
On 4/30/2017 4:10 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: No. (B) may be true for your example, but it is not for the following (which is similar to examples we had in our January thread): //-- M/module-info.java module M { exports pm; } //-- M/impl/Other.java package impl; public class Other { } //--

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 01.05.2017 20:47, Alex Buckley wrote: Yes, the API spec for java.lang.module will be updated to define the readability relation. thanks. But instead of waiting for that, I recommend you watch https://youtu.be/Vxfd3ehdAZc?t=18m15s because readability has been stable for a long time. I

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 29.04.2017 01:25, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/27/2017 12:38 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Let me add a friendly reminder, that we are still waiting for a specification that unambiguously tells us which module system to implement. For illustration: (A) Is JPMS a module system that keeps the

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-05-01 Thread Alex Buckley
On 4/30/2017 3:25 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: For the question at hand, this is what we learn from that improved reference: "A readability graph is constructed" Now we only need a link to the specification that *defines* what is a readability graph and what is the meaning of "m1 reads m2". I

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-30 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 30.04.2017 17:47, Alan Bateman wrote: On 30/04/2017 12:10, Stephan Herrmann wrote: : Java 9 could make "API leaks" either illegal or ineffective and thus rule out an entire category of ill-formed programs, which to-date must unfortunately be accepted by module-unaware compilers: (A)

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-30 Thread Alan Bateman
On 30/04/2017 12:10, Stephan Herrmann wrote: : Java 9 could make "API leaks" either illegal or ineffective and thus rule out an entire category of ill-formed programs, which to-date must unfortunately be accepted by module-unaware compilers: (A) Java 9 has the opportunity to say that the

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-30 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 29.04.2017 01:25, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/27/2017 12:38 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: For illustration: (A) Is JPMS a module system that keeps the semantics of qualified names as they are in Java 8 and only superimposes encapsulation boundaries? (i.e., each type is globally uniquely

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-30 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 29.04.2017 01:25, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/27/2017 12:38 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Got it. Since now JLS is no longer self-contained it would tremendously help if we could get a list of which parts of the API specification are expected to be considered at compile time. I understand that we

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-28 Thread Alex Buckley
On 4/27/2017 12:38 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: On 25.04.2017 19:02, Alex Buckley wrote: JPMS semantics (notably, dependency resolution) are defined by the API specification (not the implementation) of java.lang.module.Configuration and friends. JLS references to JPMS are references to this Java

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-27 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 25.04.2017 19:02, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/25/2017 1:20 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: On 25.04.2017 03:50, Alex Buckley wrote: Dependency resolution in JPMS is accomplished by the static 'resolve' method of java.lang.module.Configuration. Interesting. Are you saying the semantics of JPMS

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-25 Thread Alex Buckley
On 4/25/2017 1:20 AM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: On 25.04.2017 03:50, Alex Buckley wrote: Dependency resolution in JPMS is accomplished by the static 'resolve' method of java.lang.module.Configuration. Interesting. Are you saying the semantics of JPMS depends on the implementation of one or more

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-25 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 25.04.2017 03:50, Alex Buckley wrote: On 4/24/2017 5:22 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Obviously, defining JPMS is not done in index.html itself but delegated to individual documents. One of the linked documents is a version of JLS with changes on behalf of JSR 376. Jay's question was

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-24 Thread Alex Buckley
On 4/24/2017 5:22 PM, Stephan Herrmann wrote: Obviously, defining JPMS is not done in index.html itself but delegated to individual documents. One of the linked documents is a version of JLS with changes on behalf of JSR 376. Jay's question was triggered by the observation that this exact

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-24 Thread Stephan Herrmann
On 24.04.2017 18:18, mark.reinh...@oracle.com wrote: 2017/4/24 9:14:31 -0700, ja...@outlook.in: The JLS makes references to the "Java Platform Module System" in several places but we are not sure where this is specified. The Eclipse JDT team has been making do with whatever informal documents

Re: Java Platform Module System

2017-04-24 Thread mark . reinhold
2017/4/24 9:14:31 -0700, ja...@outlook.in: > The JLS makes references to the "Java Platform Module System" in > several places but we are not sure where this is specified. The > Eclipse JDT team has been making do with whatever informal documents > we can get our hands on such as "State of the