[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Stephan Beal
On Aug 16, 4:13 pm, Pops [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive seen this term referred to a few times, especially here: http://simonwillison.net/2007/Aug/15/jquery/ What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean? Hi, Pops! google: what does unobtrusive javascript mean?

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Tobias Parent
Hey, Pops - I'm actually getting ready to do a presentation on this - Unobtrusive Javascript and CSS. See, when a page is designed through MS-Word, for example, the CSS styles are embedded directly in the page (usually, directly in the element itself). This works, but it's ugly and not

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Michael Price
What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean? I won't be the only one who answers this, I'm sure, but I'll try and explain it as best I can. As you'll probably be aware, a lot of users, due to personal preference, or firewall or proxy restrictions, browse the web without JavaScript, meaning

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Ive seen this term referred to a few times, especially here: http://simonwillison.net/2007/Aug/15/jquery/ What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean? Since you've already gotten some good description, I'll keep this short and show an example of the behavior from a popular site. The idea of

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Pops
Oy Vey! First, thanks to all of you guys. Excellent Feedback. I love this jQuery group. I haven't had this much fun in months! g But I have a peeve, you see, this is what I hate about you Young Punks. g Reinventing things!! You know what this is called? - Modulization! - Consolidation!

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Alsup
Another thought would be to embrace and use the terms that are popular today. Names change, even when the ideas remain the same. You can't fight that. This is nothing unique to software engineering, it's just human nature. I can't tell you how many times my parents have said to me, In my day,

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean? (OT)

2007-08-16 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
same here :-) Forgive me for gong off-topic here, but I thought I'd type up a few examples that immediately come to mind: valise, satchel, davenport, icebox. Does anyone under the age of 60 use any of these words? I only use the word Davenport when referring to Pittsburgh Steelers backup

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Another thought would be to embrace and use the terms that are popular today. Names change, even when the ideas remain the same. You can't fight that. This is nothing unique to software engineering, it's just human nature. I can't tell you how many times my parents have said to me, In my day,

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Pops
Word! I feel ya and I agree with you. :-) But unobstructive javascript? Why would anyone assume that software designs are naturally obstructive in the first place? I'm not debating the term, I am debating the idea that writing clean modulize, consolidated code is a new idea a new awakening

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Michael Geary
From: Pops Ive seen this term referred to a few times, especially here: http://simonwillison.net/2007/Aug/15/jquery/ What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean? I'm going to disagree slightly with some of the earlier replies. I think progressive enhancement and unobtrusive JavaScript are

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
I'm going to disagree slightly with some of the earlier replies. I think progressive enhancement and unobtrusive JavaScript are two different things, and they seem to be getting lumped together to some degree. And this is why new terms crop up--to describe very specific techniques. Unobtrusive

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Rick Pasotto
On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 05:49:47PM -, Pops wrote: Word! I feel ya and I agree with you. :-) But unobstructive javascript? Why would anyone assume that software designs are naturally obstructive in the first place? Perhaps you should read more closely. unobtrusive != unobstructive

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread cdomigan
I would agree with Michael Geary. My understanding of Unobtrusive Javascript is keeping a clean separation of content, presentation and behaviours.

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread howa
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/ Progressive Enhancement vs. Graceful Degradation The concepts of graceful degradation and progressive enhancement are often applied to describe browser support strategies. Indeed, they are closely related approaches to the engineering of fault

[jQuery] Re: What does Unobtrusive Javascript mean?

2007-08-16 Thread Pops
Howa, Thank for the information.I like this graded support chart in this article. Good example of someone applying software engineering principles to Web development. I guess the good thing is that the industry is maturing. Inevitably there will be efforts to consolidate, to provide