Of Rick Faircloth
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:18 PM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has
Javascript enabled?
As much as I dislike the idea of having to develop two
different sites or, sometimes, just different pages, it seems
like
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, if JS isn't working, the details for every row in
the calendar
will be showing and that's a no go. Perhaps there is a way
to cause the
calendar to default back to its original functionality with a
to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, if JS isn't working, the details for every row in
the calendar
will be showing and that's a no go. Perhaps there is a way
to cause the
calendar to default
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wait, I see what you're saying... the same link would serve both
JS and non-JS users. How would a link that would work for both
situations be coded?
Seems like you could have two different links:
div
Rick Faircloth wrote:
I think I may try the AJAX solution, partly because I just want to get
more experience with AJAX and mostly because it seems to be the
best solution.
It's not that much harder client-side than the others. But there really
is more work to do on the server...
Wait, I
I'll give that a try... thanks, James.
Rick
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---Nathan
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has
Javascript
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Hi.
There is another surefire solution to getting a site that works with JS
and non-js usage, and that is to bifurcate the experience quite early on
and send the two sets of users down very
how about this:
WHEN THE USER FIRST LOGS IN:
cfset Session.isJSEnabled = 'no' // assume false for now
JAVASCRIPT ON PAGE:
---
var myUrl = 'http://myhost.com/someCFMfile.cfm'; // some URL pointing to the
page as defined below
Thanks for the tip, Ariel.. I'll give that try!
Rick
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From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ariel Jakobovits
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:18 AM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has
Basically, you fire off a message to the server saying that yes JS is
enabled. Update the session, and use that from then on in your code.
I am thinking of forking my application in one area where I want to handle
things very differently depending on if someone has javascript enabled, and
Josh,
I am thinking of forking my application in one area where I want to handle
things very differently depending on if someone has javascript enabled, and
this is the method I think would work best.
The only possible downside would be if someone disables javascript in the
middle of their
Dan G. Switzer, II schrieb:
meta http-equiv=refresh content=2;url=page.htm?js=false
script type=text/javascript
self.location = page.htm?js=true;
/script
In this example if JS is enabled, the JS code would be executed redirecting
the user to page w/a URL parameter indicating that JS was
Klaus Hartl schrieb:
Dan G. Switzer, II schrieb:
meta http-equiv=refresh content=2;url=page.htm?js=false
script type=text/javascript
self.location = page.htm?js=true;
/script
In this example if JS is enabled, the JS code would be executed
redirecting
the user to page w/a URL parameter
Andy Matthews schrieb:
Simple way to do it might be to use javascript itself to do a forward or
something like that. I've seen people set up a meta refresh of 5 seconds in
the header, then use javascript to do a location.href as soon as the page
loads. If they have js, they get redirected
Detecting if JavaScript is enabled is actually fairly straightforward.
No need to make it so complicated.
Well I think this thread is about how to detect if JS is enabled on the
Server-side ; ). Your method of course is the way to go if all one needs
is to display a msg to the user.
-- Felix
Detecting if JavaScript is enabled is actually fairly
straightforward.
No need to make it so complicated.
Well I think this thread is about how to detect if JS is enabled on the
Server-side ; ). Your method of course is the way to go if all one needs is
to display a msg to the
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Behalf Of Dan G. Switzer, II
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:53 AM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Detecting if JavaScript is enabled is actually fairly
straightforward.
No need to make
: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Brian,
I would agree to some extent that it is not necessary to detect if
JavaScript is disabled. However, there are an abundance of (I do hate
saying this word) Web 2.0 sites in which it is impossible to use all
the features unless
me what the problem is?
Slowly losing my mind...
Rick
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Behalf Of Giant Jam Sandwich
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:01 AM
To: jQuery (English)
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has
)
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Hi Felix,
Rick's original question didn't specify server side... I only skimmed
the messages thereafter, so that might have come out later in the
thread... me being lazy on a Saturday :)
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Is there a fool-proof way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled in their browser?
From the server side? No. From the client? Just try it.
Often, the trick is to make the site function reasonably even if JS is
off. One ugly technique that I've used on
From where?
If javascript runs, they have it enabled - if it doesn't, they don't!
Are you wanting to pass this information to your server? Something like the
following should work for that:
a id='js_detect' href='/foo.php'Load/a
script type='text/javascript'!--
$(document).ready(function() {
Simple way to do it might be to use javascript itself to do a forward or
something like that. I've seen people set up a meta refresh of 5 seconds in
the header, then use javascript to do a location.href as soon as the page
loads. If they have js, they get redirected immediately to page A, if they
Well said, Dan.
On 4/20/07, Dan G. Switzer, II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As discussed on another mailing list, there's no real need to detect if JS
is enabled. If you write unobtrusive JavaScript (which is what jQuery helps
you to do) if the user has JS disabled, things will continue to work.
way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Rick,
Good morning, all...
Is there a fool-proof way to determine if a user has Javascript enabled
in their browser?
As discussed on another mailing list, there's no real need to detect if JS
is enabled. If you write unobtrusive JavaScript
=exitTemplate /
/cfif
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From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dan G. Switzer, II
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:16 AM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Rick,
Good
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
From where?
If javascript runs, they have it enabled - if it doesn't, they don't!
Are you wanting to pass this information to your server? Something like the
following should work for that:
a id
Rick Faircloth schrieb:
If JS is enabled, then I can use Ajax to send them back,
if not, then the page will have to be refreshed.
If you use JavaScript in the sense of Progressive Enhancement, this
should be no problem at all. First build your form working in the
traditional way,
Rick Faircloth wrote:
I'm trying to take Progressive Enhancement, as I see it,
one step further by integrating the enhancement into
the server-side process, where possible and applicable.
I think this is going to be difficult, if you are trying to drive it
from the server-side.
This part
Rick,
That would work if the form were visible when the page is first opened,
(And I may have to go that route if what I'm trying doesn't work...),
but when the page is first opened, the form is invisible and a link has
to be clicked to even view the form.
So a named anchor wouldn't provide
Rick,
!---// if this is an AJAX call, we must return JSON data //---
cfif structKeyExists(url, ajax) and url.ajax
!---// clear all generated data //---
cfcontent type=text/xml reset=true /
cfoutput{
success: #stAction.success#,
message:
way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Hi Rick,
Let me summarize what everyone is saying before this turns into a long
thread.
Basically, there's no easy and surefire way of determining if JS is
enabled on the browser. You need to code your forms and pages in the
traditional way
Rick,
Isn't that what you do with this code is your
ex2.3_mailing_list_validation.cfm example for the
ex2_process.cfm page?
Since it's obvious that you've downloaded my presentation, I need to point
out that some of the things in the demo are bad concepts, but I did them to
show the progression
to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Rick,
Isn't that what you do with this code is your
ex2.3_mailing_list_validation.cfm example for the
ex2_process.cfm page?
That page has no AJAX based validation. I also do no JS detection. The code
is set up so that if JS is unavailable, the form
Rick,
Isn't that what you do with this code is your
ex2.3_mailing_list_validation.cfm example for the
ex2_process.cfm page?
That page has no AJAX based validation. I also do no JS detection. The code
is set up so that if JS is unavailable, the form just works.
-Dan
Beat me to it.
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From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andy Matthews
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:19 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Simple way to do
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Behalf Of Andy Matthews
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:37 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
One thing to point out about mine and Dan's suggestion is that your Seach
engine ranking
Rick Faircloth wrote:
The simplest
thing is just to add a post parameter that says ajaxOn=true or some
such, then check for that server-side. It wasn't included in the HTML,
or it was set to false, so if it's true, the server knows to respond
with an AJAX request. It's pretty
, 2007 11:50 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Rick Faircloth wrote:
The simplest
thing is just to add a post parameter that says ajaxOn=true or some
such, then check for that server-side. It wasn't included
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From: Scott Sauyet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
header HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH means no extra work in the JS, and is
probably a better idea, as long as you are sure you will be
using JQuery
This sounds like the best way - I think you were using CF right? Maybe
: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:56 AM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
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From: Scott Sauyet [mailto
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:00 PM
(Hopefully it's compatible with CF 4.5!)
Unfortunately it looks like it was introduced in v5:
http://www.actcfug.com/files/cfmlhistory/functions/gethttprequestdata.ht
m
You
Waiting for CF 8...
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:52 PM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled
, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:52 PM
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Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:00 PM
(Hopefully
, 2007 1:22 PM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
In the meantime, I suppose you could use JavaScript to append a variable to
the URL, and then have your CF decide what to send based on the presence of
that variable. Example
Didn't read the entire thread but appending parameters like this to an
url just doesn't seem right to me.
Maybe your problem can be solved by looking if the client sent a
X-Requested-With == 'XMLHttpRequest' header. That's how we in CakePHP
find out if a page was requested via Ajax or not ;
On 4/20/07, Felix Geisendörfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't read the entire thread but appending parameters like this to an
url just doesn't seem right to me.
I would normally agree, but Rick is using ColdFusion 4.5, which apparently
isn't capable of inspecting HTTP Headers.
--
Aaron
On 4/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$(document).ready()(function { \n
Should be:
$(document).ready(function() {
// stuff goes here...
});
--
Aaron Heimlich
Web Developer
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http://aheimlich.freepgs.com
] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
On 4/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$(document).ready()(function { \n
Should be:
$(document).ready(function() {
// stuff goes here...
});
--
Aaron Heimlich
Web Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http
there might be something that's
usually wrong when this pops up.
Rick
From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Faircloth
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:09 PM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled
On 4/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The XML file does not appear to have any style information
associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
This is what FireFOX (not Firebug) does when you browse to an XML file that
isn't using any XSLT stylesheets (and I would
code.
Thanks for the tip. at least now I have some idea of what
to look for!
Rick
From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Aaron Heimlich
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:23 PM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Faircloth
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:55 PM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Thanks for the feedback, Aaron. I'm trying to integrate
the whole validation scheme into one page
*Subject:* [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Thanks for the feedback, Aaron… I'm trying to integrate
the whole validation scheme into one page. I'm following
an example given to me that does work, but using my own
code, of course.
I've got something wrong
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: Best way to determine if a user has Javascript
enabled?
Show me exactly what XML you are attempting to return, I'm semi-familiar
with Taconite so I should be able to make some sense of it. Also, I'm no CF
whiz, but this doesn't make a whole lot
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