Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations
Title: Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations On 2/3/06 18:00, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez...I can practically hear the carnival music I am a little surprised at the shortsightedness of the comment or maybe I just dont see value added tongue-in-cheek. I really believe that if you look beyond market value there is some merit to making ideas accessible to those whose only limit is time and space. I would rather be the nerd from the scorching lands of remotest Arizona than the Gollum of Tucson, hoarding his precious preso. ,) Since I am inexperienced with organizing speakers for TJUG, I have no idea if they are paid or not and if so how much. Maybe it varies. I am almost certain, though, that at the moment members who can make it to the preso do not pay. If I am a dues paying member why should I not have the same access to the presentation via an online presence? Why should I have to pay more? If we limit access to the presentation to members only what is the issue? I could see that if we made available the presentation to a non-member, online audience via Breeze(or whatever) then the presenter as well as TJUG would want to charge for this service. OK, I dont see a problem with that at all and in fact is one of the benefits that TJUG has; it has knowledgeable people involved in interesting technology. If they have gone to the effort of making a good presentation why shouldnt TJUG sponsor it and put it online participating in the revenues it generates? It seems to me that we are talking about two different but albeit similar services. Steven... BTW I not only value a good presentation but consider just as valuable the audience participation, QA. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: [jug-discussion] Organization Hosting Solution
yep, we need a projector. Sooo...how much is a projector? Oh, about $800. Hmm...we have no budget, so, Hey Bill, could you donate $800 so we can buy a projector? grin If the JUG hooks me up with another contract like my current one, I'll be happy to throw in a projector, too! :) I haven't mentioned it because I'm lazy but I suspect I could get us a room with projector and net via the UA CS department. Lol -- I'm starting to understand why the Tucson Computer Society folks might have been silly about wanting all folks who attend meetings to pay dues (even if they do give a preso). I believe TCS rents a building, owns a projector, has furniture, and presumably incurs other expenses too. Yes, the TCS does have a room, at E. Grant. It has chairs, a projector and, I believe, a net connection. You can see a tiny picture of in the top banners at http://aztcs.org/sigs/sigs.shtml. Affiliating with the TCS as a SIG, assuming they'd have us, would solve the meeting room problem, the dues-collection problem, and the budget-committee problem. Their dues are $45/yr, $25/yr for students. As a bonus, my cost for attending Developer's SIG (http://devsig.editme.com/) meetings would be slashed in half! :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations
At 08:39 AM 2/4/2006, you wrote: On 2/3/06 18:00, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez...I can practically hear the carnival music I am a little surprised at the shortsightedness of the comment or maybe I just dont see value added tongue-in-cheek. Sorry, it was intended as a mild poke at Tim's newly revealed sales marketing skills. I really believe that if you look beyond market value there is some merit to making ideas accessible to those whose only limit is time and space. I absolutely agree. I have missed several very interesting presentations, from very savvy gurus, because of travel responsibilities. I would have loved to have those available online afterwards. Since I am inexperienced with organizing speakers for TJUG, I have no idea if they are paid or not and if so how much. Nothing that I know of. We have all spoken out of generosity and love of knowledge (although it's been several years since I've spoken :( If they have gone to the effort of making a good presentation why shouldnt TJUG sponsor it and put it online participating in the revenues it generates? I would be fine with this, too, especially if it promoted more and better talks. BTW I not only value a good presentation but consider just as valuable the audience participation, QA. Hmmm...maybe afterwards. In my experience the questions and participation quickly gets out of hand and interrupts the flow of a good presentation. regards, -tom
Re: [jug-discussion] RE: Organization Discussion
On Feb 4, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: If the JUG hooks me up with another contract like my current one, I'll be happy to throw in a projector, too! :) lol. :-) I haven't mentioned it because I'm lazy but I suspect I could get us a room with projector and net via the UA CS department. Good to know. Yes, the TCS does have a room, at E. Grant. It has chairs, a projector and, I believe, a net connection. You can see a tiny picture of in the top banners at http://aztcs.org/sigs/sigs.shtml. Affiliating with the TCS as a SIG, assuming they'd have us, would solve the meeting room problem, the dues-collection problem, and the budget-committee problem. Their dues are $45/yr, $25/yr for students. As a bonus, my cost for attending Developer's SIG (http://devsig.editme.com/) meetings would be slashed in half! :) This might be good option. Martin Lapidus has attended several of our JUG meetings (I think he's on this list too, right Martin?). We said that this group consists of mostly professional developers and that we like the focus of talks to be fairly technical. So as a rule, we're all mostly geeks -- doing the business side of running the organization is the part that's hard to get folks to do. We could bring 20-30 members into the TCS, software licenses for JiveSoftware Forums, Jira, and Confluence...and the brains to run the stuff, even perhaps write some custom software. TJUG gets non-profit status, access to a building and projector, monthly advertisement and announcement of the group, a MUCH bigger group of members to entice corporate sponsorship/demos to the SIG, etc. Bill -- do you know where they host the aztcs.org site? Perhaps we could combine effort and resources? Of course -- I'm sure we'd have to give up some control so we'd also want to understand/discuss how funds are allocated, officers elected, etc. Summary though -- maybe this is a really good way to get the drudgery off our backs so we could focus more on the fun stuff like good topics and creating online versions? I know that we've talked about this in the past (privately over beers rather than publicly, but it sounds like now is the right time). There are a few issues that I see with this: - Do our ideologies, culture, etc. match with the TCS? - Does what they do meet what we as a group need? Basically it boils down to this - do we as a group fit together with the TCS? Based on what I've heard from others and my gut I would say no. I think that they are a much more constrained organization and that what they provide is a bit of overkill for us. But take this with a big grain of salt as I have not directly talked with them about this in the past. The biggest issue I see is that we always want to make meetings free for whomever wants to come, that's always been a tenant of ours and that would undoubtedly change by joining the TCS. But if this is something the group wants to investigate I will wholeheartedly go down that path. -warner Tim P.S. If you are interested in the idea of creating a preso to sell, I may be interested in buying, so please contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] RE: Organization Discussion
At 02:32 PM 2/4/2006, Warner wrote: I know that we've talked about this in the past (privately over beers rather than publicly, but it sounds like now is the right time). There are a few issues that I see with this: - Do our ideologies, culture, etc. match with the TCS? - Does what they do meet what we as a group need? Basically it boils down to this - do we as a group fit together with the TCS? Based on what I've heard from others and my gut I would say no. Having attended a few of the TCS presentations at their aforementioned meeting space, I have to say that I agree with Warner; I don't think TCS' purpose, orientation, culture, etc., are a match with the TJUG. Just a personal opinion based on my admitedly limited experience. -tom
