Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations

2006-02-05 Thread Chad Woolley
I agree here.  Comments are valuable, but especially if we are
recording a preso, dissertations from the peanut gallery should be
saved until after the preso and question session is complete.  We all
know how geeks love to spout their wisdom, even if they don't want to
step up and do it in the capacity of a presenter :)

On 2/4/06, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW I not only value a good presentation but consider just as valuable the
 audience participation, QA.
  Hmmm...maybe afterwards. In my experience the questions and participation
 quickly
  gets out of hand and interrupts the flow of a good presentation.
   regards,
  -tom

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Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations

2006-02-04 Thread Steven Elliott
Title: Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations



On 2/3/06 18:00, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Geez...I can practically hear the carnival music

I am a little surprised at the shortsightedness of the comment or maybe I just dont see value added tongue-in-cheek. I really believe that if you look beyond market value there is some merit to making ideas accessible to those whose only limit is time and space. I would rather be the nerd from the scorching lands of remotest Arizona than the Gollum of Tucson, hoarding his precious preso. ,)

Since I am inexperienced with organizing speakers for TJUG, I have no idea if they are paid or not and if so how much. Maybe it varies. I am almost certain, though, that at the moment members who can make it to the preso do not pay. If I am a dues paying member why should I not have the same access to the presentation via an online presence? Why should I have to pay more? If we limit access to the presentation to members only what is the issue?

I could see that if we made available the presentation to a non-member, online audience via Breeze(or whatever) then the presenter as well as TJUG would want to charge for this service. OK, I dont see a problem with that at all and in fact is one of the benefits that TJUG has; it has knowledgeable people involved in interesting technology. If they have gone to the effort of making a good presentation why shouldnt TJUG sponsor it and put it online participating in the revenues it generates?

It seems to me that we are talking about two different but albeit similar services.

Steven...

BTW I not only value a good presentation but consider just as valuable the audience participation, QA.





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Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations

2006-02-04 Thread Thomas Hicks


At 08:39 AM 2/4/2006, you wrote:

On 2/3/06 18:00, Thomas Hicks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Geez...I can practically hear the carnival music



I am a little surprised at the shortsightedness of the comment or maybe I
just don’t see value added tongue-in-cheek.
Sorry, it was intended as a mild poke at Tim's newly revealed sales 
marketing skills.


 I really believe that if you look beyond market value there is
some merit to making ideas accessible to those whose only limit is time
and space.
I absolutely agree. I have missed several very interesting presentations,
from very
savvy gurus, because of travel responsibilities. I would have loved to
have those available online
afterwards.


Since I am inexperienced with organizing speakers for TJUG, I have no
idea if they are paid or not and if so how much.

Nothing that I know of. We have all spoken out of generosity and love of
knowledge
(although it's been several years since I've spoken :(

If
they have gone to the effort of making a good presentation why shouldn’t
TJUG sponsor it and put it online participating in the revenues it
generates?
I would be fine with this, too, especially if it promoted more and better
talks.

BTW
I not only value a good presentation but consider just as valuable the
audience participation, QA. 
Hmmm...maybe afterwards. In my experience the questions and participation
quickly
gets out of hand and interrupts the flow of a good presentation.

regards,
-tom





Re: [jug-discussion] RE: online presentations

2006-02-03 Thread Thomas Hicks


At 04:46 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote:
I'm curious how many folks would
be more interested if they were
_selling_ a presentation? 'pop'...the sound of a dozen geeks ears
pricking up. 
..
How much would you pay to watch a typical JUG-quality 60 min
technical
preso (i.e. not necessarily a professional presenter, with a
well-oiled
presentation)?
...
-Timo
Geez...I can practically hear the carnival music
Ladies and Gentlemen! Step right up!
Come one, come all to the world's greatest show as
ringmaster P.T.Colson presents exotic nerds from the
scorching lands of remotest Arizona.

-tom