Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
i guess what i'm shooting for is, what topics are people interested in doing? i've listed a few of mine, but feel free to chime in or pipe up if what i've mentioned interests you. -warner On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: I might, depending on the topic, the time, and my availability... On 4/12/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awhile ago I tried to get a little code sprint going on for people interested in learning Tapestry and maybe creating something useful. I would like to remold these into strictly learning sessions that we do maybe every other month or every 3 months and keep the sessions closer to 3-4 hours. The goal of these sessions is to learn from each other, in fact none of us may be familiar with the technologies at hand, but its an opportunity to beat your head against a wall with a group of people grin /. With that said here are some of the things that I have an interest in: Lucene - http://lucene.apache.org Ruby on Rails - http://rubyonrails.com Ruby - http://ruby.org Python - http://python.org TurboGears (python web framework gaining some mindshare) - http:// www.turbogears.org/ Ajax - uhh, all over the place SOA - kinda general Web Services stuff, not sure exactly what we would investigate C# Objective-C Flex - http://labs.macromedia.com/ Laszlo - http://openlaszlo.org Again, this would be for learning something not necessarily making something. So, that being said, who is interested? I'm thinking that we might be able to have our first one in a couple of weeks if people are interested in devoting a Sat/Sun afternoon to geeking out and then grabbing a beer afterwards (and yes laptops would probably be required as we don't have extra computers here - but that's what pair programming is all about, sharing ;-). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
Python would be fun... On 4/13/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i guess what i'm shooting for is, what topics are people interested in doing? i've listed a few of mine, but feel free to chime in or pipe up if what i've mentioned interests you. -warner On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: I might, depending on the topic, the time, and my availability... On 4/12/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awhile ago I tried to get a little code sprint going on for people interested in learning Tapestry and maybe creating something useful. I would like to remold these into strictly learning sessions that we do maybe every other month or every 3 months and keep the sessions closer to 3-4 hours. The goal of these sessions is to learn from each other, in fact none of us may be familiar with the technologies at hand, but its an opportunity to beat your head against a wall with a group of people grin /. With that said here are some of the things that I have an interest in: Lucene - http://lucene.apache.org Ruby on Rails - http://rubyonrails.com Ruby - http://ruby.org Python - http://python.org TurboGears (python web framework gaining some mindshare) - http:// www.turbogears.org/ Ajax - uhh, all over the place SOA - kinda general Web Services stuff, not sure exactly what we would investigate C# Objective-C Flex - http://labs.macromedia.com/ Laszlo - http://openlaszlo.org Again, this would be for learning something not necessarily making something. So, that being said, who is interested? I'm thinking that we might be able to have our first one in a couple of weeks if people are interested in devoting a Sat/Sun afternoon to geeking out and then grabbing a beer afterwards (and yes laptops would probably be required as we don't have extra computers here - but that's what pair programming is all about, sharing ;-). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
Seems like a good topic to continue on the wiki. ;-) http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Home http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Code+Camp+Discussion Speaking of wiki -- it would help tremendously if a mail server was available. Warner -- you mentioned the SMTP server requires a login. I think if you create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] acccount, Confluence will login and email will work. Worth a try. -Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
If we are going to do more stuff on the wiki now, it would be good to put a link to it on the main JUG home page. And maybe link to the meeting list on the wiki too, instead of the outdated one on the home page? -- Chad On 4/13/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like a good topic to continue on the wiki. ;-) http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Home http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Code+Camp+Discussion Speaking of wiki -- it would help tremendously if a mail server was available. Warner -- you mentioned the SMTP server requires a login. I think if you create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] acccount, Confluence will login and email will work. Worth a try. -Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
If we are going to do more stuff on the wiki now, it would be good to put a link to it on the main JUG home page. And maybe link to the meeting list on the wiki too, instead of the outdated one on the home page? Personally, I'd prefer to see the wiki be the homepage, on port 80. Then anybody who wants to update stuff, can. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
Excellent, thanks for setting that up. As for SMTP it doesn't require a login it does some funky authentication by checking to see if that IP has retrieved mail recently, so not really doable. What we would need to do would be to setup our own SMTP on the box itself to get it to work (I believe). -warner On Apr 13, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Seems like a good topic to continue on the wiki. ;-) http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Home http://tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Code+Camp+Discussion Speaking of wiki -- it would help tremendously if a mail server was available. Warner -- you mentioned the SMTP server requires a login. I think if you create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] acccount, Confluence will login and email will work. Worth a try. -Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
I think that would be great. Volunteers to help set up? (I have absolutely no idea on how to make confluence look less confluency and more like a regular site). It is more import to have current information than a site that doesn't look confluency, in my opinion. ;-) -T - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
I would be really interested in many of these areas Jt On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Warner Onstine wrote: i guess what i'm shooting for is, what topics are people interested in doing? i've listed a few of mine, but feel free to chime in or pipe up if what i've mentioned interests you. -warner On Apr 13, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: I might, depending on the topic, the time, and my availability... On 4/12/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awhile ago I tried to get a little code sprint going on for people interested in learning Tapestry and maybe creating something useful. I would like to remold these into strictly learning sessions that we do maybe every other month or every 3 months and keep the sessions closer to 3-4 hours. The goal of these sessions is to learn from each other, in fact none of us may be familiar with the technologies at hand, but its an opportunity to beat your head against a wall with a group of people grin /. With that said here are some of the things that I have an interest in: Lucene - http://lucene.apache.org Ruby on Rails - http://rubyonrails.com Ruby - http://ruby.org Python - http://python.org TurboGears (python web framework gaining some mindshare) - http:// www.turbogears.org/ Ajax - uhh, all over the place SOA - kinda general Web Services stuff, not sure exactly what we would investigate C# Objective-C Flex - http://labs.macromedia.com/ Laszlo - http://openlaszlo.org Again, this would be for learning something not necessarily making something. So, that being said, who is interested? I'm thinking that we might be able to have our first one in a couple of weeks if people are interested in devoting a Sat/Sun afternoon to geeking out and then grabbing a beer afterwards (and yes laptops would probably be required as we don't have extra computers here - but that's what pair programming is all about, sharing ;-). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
I would be interested. My biggest consideration is making my wife take care of the kids on the weekend while I go off and geek. So, I may not be able to attend every one of these.As far as topics go, I am probably least interested in C# and Objective C. I have some interest in all of the other topics.AndyOn Apr 12, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:Awhile ago I tried to get a little code sprint going on for people interested in learning Tapestry and maybe creating something useful. I would like to remold these into strictly learning sessions that we do maybe every other month or every 3 months and keep the sessions closer to 3-4 hours. The goal of these sessions is to learn from each other, in fact none of us may be familiar with the technologies at hand, but its an opportunity to beat your head against a wall with a group of people grin /.With that said here are some of the things that I have an interest in:Lucene - http://lucene.apache.orgRuby on Rails - http://rubyonrails.comRuby - http://ruby.orgPython - http://python.orgTurboGears (python web framework gaining some mindshare) - http://www.turbogears.org/Ajax - uhh, all over the placeSOA - kinda general Web Services stuff, not sure exactly what we would investigateC#Objective-CFlex - http://labs.macromedia.com/Laszlo - http://openlaszlo.orgAgain, this would be for learning something not necessarily making something. So, that being said, who is interested? I'm thinking that we might be able to have our first one in a couple of weeks if people are interested in devoting a Sat/Sun afternoon to geeking out and then grabbing a beer afterwards (and yes laptops would probably be required as we don't have extra computers here - but that's what pair programming is all about, sharing ;-).-warner-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Barton eBlox, Inc. 520.903.2541Check out the new Free Distributor Resource Center (including an online directory of more than 1200 Suppliers)! http://www.distributorresourcecenter.com Instantly source more than 10,000 products online with Product Buffet. It's Free to Distributors and Suppliers! http://productbuffet.eblox.com
Re: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
Yes, that was actually one of the first things I tried when I tried to email my information to myself. I couldn't find any options that would allow me to try and fix it. I just tried it again and it didn't work. -warner On Apr 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Excellent, thanks for setting that up. As for SMTP it doesn't require a login it does some funky authentication by checking to see if that IP has retrieved mail recently, so not really doable. What we would need to do would be to setup our own SMTP on the box itself to get it to work (I believe). Yes, that's a typical practice of AUTH before Send. But again, I think it's worth a try to create an account for Confluence (or just try using your own account to test), create a mail server config with the userid/password/server and just test to see if Confluence just works. -Tim Warner -- you mentioned the SMTP server requires a login. I think if you create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] acccount, Confluence will login and email will work. Worth a try. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jug-discussion] Code Camps .... RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
I created a framework called Presto that is similar in concept to RoR, but it is all Java. It makes heavy use of Spring AOP/Introductions, Hibernate and Facelets composition components. It is similar in concept to Trails but for JSF. IMHO, it is far more practical, more flexible and less obtrusive than Trails. Then again, what would you expect me to say It uses Hibernate, Spring, Maven 2, Tomahawk, AspectJ, Acegi, JSF and Facelets. (Trails uses Hibernate, Ant and Spring). It also does a lot of heavy Spring/JSF integration as well. If anyone is interested, I'd like to offer it up as a code camp discussion. This will be good practice as we are creating a video at some point. Personally, I have a strong distaste for Ruby and Python. I think scripting languages are a step backwards because of their lack of IDE support. Scripting has its place for sure, but I was a very large Python fan at one point. I still love the language but... I am still hoping that Groovy will hit the sweet spot of tool support and great Java integration. I have my doubts. Also someone has to add Rife to the list. Rife continuations are the bomb. (This is something I plan on adding to Presto/JSF). BTW Since this is a JUG and there is so much Java stuff going on why the focus on inferior platforms. Why not Rife (continuations and metaprogramming) Spring 2.0 (new features) Avatar (Ajax JSF support at the component level) Facelets (Composition components) etc. -Original Message- From: Tim Colson (tcolson) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:51 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps? I think that would be great. Volunteers to help set up? (I have absolutely no idea on how to make confluence look less confluency and more like a regular site). It is more import to have current information than a site that doesn't look confluency, in my opinion. ;-) -T - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Code Camps .... RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
On Apr 13, 2006, at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I created a framework called Presto that is similar in concept to RoR, but it is all Java. It makes heavy use of Spring AOP/Introductions, Hibernate and Facelets composition components. It is similar in concept to Trails but for JSF. IMHO, it is far more practical, more flexible and less obtrusive than Trails. Then again, what would you expect me to say It uses Hibernate, Spring, Maven 2, Tomahawk, AspectJ, Acegi, JSF and Facelets. (Trails uses Hibernate, Ant and Spring). It also does a lot of heavy Spring/JSF integration as well. If anyone is interested, I'd like to offer it up as a code camp discussion. This will be good practice as we are creating a video at some point. Cool, sounds interesting. Personally, I have a strong distaste for Ruby and Python. I think scripting languages are a step backwards because of their lack of IDE support. Scripting has its place for sure, but I was a very large Python fan at one point. I still love the language but... I am still hoping that Groovy will hit the sweet spot of tool support and great Java integration. I have my doubts. Me too. Also someone has to add Rife to the list. Rife continuations are the bomb. (This is something I plan on adding to Presto/JSF). BTW Since this is a JUG and there is so much Java stuff going on why the focus on inferior platforms. Why not Well, one of the ongoing discussions we've been having at the meetings is branching out into more of a professional software group and not just focusing on Java. Personally I think that every developer should have several tools in their bag, and Java doesn't always do the trick (as much as we might hate to admit it). Rife (continuations and metaprogramming) Spring 2.0 (new features) Avatar (Ajax JSF support at the component level) Facelets (Composition components) etc. Personally I'm not that interested in JSF-based stuff, I might be interested in looking at Rife though (although the rah-rah nature of it's leader puts me off severely, every time he talks about it it sounds like it's the best thing since sliced bread, and I have a hard time believing that about anything at this point). Spring 2.0 would be interesting I didn't know it had been released yet. -warner -Original Message- From: Tim Colson (tcolson) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:51 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps? I think that would be great. Volunteers to help set up? (I have absolutely no idea on how to make confluence look less confluency and more like a regular site). It is more import to have current information than a site that doesn't look confluency, in my opinion. ;-) -T - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Code Camps .... RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps?
Lack of IDE support does suck in Ruby, but there are many other things to (almost?) make up for it :) As for the non-Java focus, this is something we discussed in the last few meetings. Kind of branching out an attempt to give a little more life to the group, and make it easier to come up with interesting presos/presenters. -- Chad On 4/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I created a framework called Presto that is similar in concept to RoR, but it is all Java. It makes heavy use of Spring AOP/Introductions, Hibernate and Facelets composition components. It is similar in concept to Trails but for JSF. IMHO, it is far more practical, more flexible and less obtrusive than Trails. Then again, what would you expect me to say It uses Hibernate, Spring, Maven 2, Tomahawk, AspectJ, Acegi, JSF and Facelets. (Trails uses Hibernate, Ant and Spring). It also does a lot of heavy Spring/JSF integration as well. If anyone is interested, I'd like to offer it up as a code camp discussion. This will be good practice as we are creating a video at some point. Personally, I have a strong distaste for Ruby and Python. I think scripting languages are a step backwards because of their lack of IDE support. Scripting has its place for sure, but I was a very large Python fan at one point. I still love the language but... I am still hoping that Groovy will hit the sweet spot of tool support and great Java integration. I have my doubts. Also someone has to add Rife to the list. Rife continuations are the bomb. (This is something I plan on adding to Presto/JSF). BTW Since this is a JUG and there is so much Java stuff going on why the focus on inferior platforms. Why not Rife (continuations and metaprogramming) Spring 2.0 (new features) Avatar (Ajax JSF support at the component level) Facelets (Composition components) etc. -Original Message- From: Tim Colson (tcolson) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:51 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] our own code camps? I think that would be great. Volunteers to help set up? (I have absolutely no idea on how to make confluence look less confluency and more like a regular site). It is more import to have current information than a site that doesn't look confluency, in my opinion. ;-) -T - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
