Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-22 Thread adamv0025
> Rob Foehl > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 9:44 PM > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Rob Foehl wrote: > > > Juniper is now telling me that this is occuring by design, but can't > > point to any documentation or standards which support that, nor > > explain why it suddenly changed post-upgrade.

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-21 Thread Rob Foehl
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Rob Foehl wrote: Juniper is now telling me that this is occuring by design, but can't point to any documentation or standards which support that, nor explain why it suddenly changed post-upgrade. I'm... not convinced. Plot twist: the BPDUs in question turned out to be

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Rob Foehl
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Gert Doering wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 01:37:21PM +0200, Daniel Verlouw wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:45 AM Gert Doering wrote: If yes, is this something people do over EVPN? as an extension to 'plain' EVPN, yes. It's called EVPN-VPWS, RFC 8214. Basically EVPN

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Daniel Verlouw
> Are there vendor implementations? Yes, am running in production on MX, ASR9K and NCS5500. Interops nicely too, for the most part. Believe Arista and others have working implementations too. -- Daniel. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 01:37:21PM +0200, Daniel Verlouw wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:45 AM Gert Doering wrote: > > If yes, is this something people do over EVPN? > > as an extension to 'plain' EVPN, yes. It's called EVPN-VPWS, RFC 8214. > Basically EVPN without the MAC learning.

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Daniel Verlouw
Hi, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:45 AM Gert Doering wrote: > If yes, is this something people do over EVPN? as an extension to 'plain' EVPN, yes. It's called EVPN-VPWS, RFC 8214. Basically EVPN without the MAC learning. -- Daniel. ___ juniper-nsp

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread adamv0025
> Gert Doering > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 10:45 AM > > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:40:53AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 18/Oct/19 09:15, Gert Doering wrote: > > > > > I could see very special cases where it would be necessary, but that > > > would need to be a non-default-enabled

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 18/Oct/19 11:44, Gert Doering wrote: > If I understand "L2PT" right here, this is the classic "EoMPLS" (in > Cisco language) or "CCC" thing, as in "transparently connecting exactly > *two* ethernet ports together, over MPLS or L2TPv3 or ... transport"? > > If yes, is this something people do

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:40:53AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > On 18/Oct/19 09:15, Gert Doering wrote: > > > I could see very special cases where it would be necessary, but that > > would need to be a non-default-enabled switch. > L2PT would be a use-case, but as you state, not typically

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 18/Oct/19 09:15, Gert Doering wrote: > > I could see very special cases where it would be necessary, but that > would need to be a non-default-enabled switch. L2PT would be a use-case, but as you state, not typically standard. Mark. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:22:01AM +0200, Alexander Marhold wrote: > Vpls not Voldemort Supposedly both are very undesirable, and if you had too much exposure to either one, it's hard to free yourself :-) gert -- "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Alexander Marhold
Vpls not Voldemort Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 18.10.2019 um 11:20 schrieb Alexander Marhold : > > Normally in layer 2 like Voldemort and evpn you need a separate > layer-2-Control instance to activate layer 2 control protocols like SPT > IMHO the mentioned behavior is a bug > >

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Alexander Marhold
Normally in layer 2 like Voldemort and evpn you need a separate layer-2-Control instance to activate layer 2 control protocols like SPT IMHO the mentioned behavior is a bug Regards Alexander Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 18.10.2019 um 11:09 schrieb Rob Foehl : > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019,

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Rob Foehl
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Gert Doering wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 05:37:16PM -0400, Rob Foehl wrote: Is EVPN expected to be forwarding BPDUs at all, intact or otherwise? The way understand "how things are meant to be plugged together", you should not see forwarded BPDUs - "containing layer2

Re: [j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-18 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 05:37:16PM -0400, Rob Foehl wrote: > Is EVPN expected to be forwarding BPDUs at all, intact or otherwise? The way understand "how things are meant to be plugged together", you should not see forwarded BPDUs - "containing layer2 madness to one attachment site" is the

[j-nsp] BPDUs over EVPN?

2019-10-17 Thread Rob Foehl
Seeing something "interesting" after an 18.1R3 to 18.4R1 upgrade on some EVPN PEs: the 18.4 boxes are now emitting BPDUs toward the CE interfaces containing pre-translation VLAN IDs from the CEs attached to remote PEs, which as far as I can tell are originating from the remote CE. Is EVPN