[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-29 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
raybaq wrote: Hi, Couldn't resist delurking to mention the JVM language I'm working on: JoyJ (Joy in Java, available at http://appforge2.apc.edu.ph/gf/project/joyj/scmsvn/), an interpreter for the concatenative programming language Joy (http://

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-27 Thread rssh
Interesting, than my main impression from Scala (I wrote three programs near 1000 LOC each) was not about Scala itself, but about Java: 'duke typing, closures and multi-line strings must be included to next Java version'. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-26 Thread Arco Oost
Hi all, For me there is just the one: Scala, the marriage of object oriented with functional is awesome. Arco Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects. This can certainly include languages that aren't under

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Martin Probst
Hi, if you care for really different languages, there is XSLTC which compiles XSL transformations into bytecode, as far as I know, but it's not really under active development. And there are at least two XQuery implementations that compile to Java or bytecodes, by Per Bothner (hello :-))

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Rémi Forax
Martin Probst a écrit : Hi, if you care for really different languages, there is XSLTC which compiles XSL transformations into bytecode, as far as I know, but it's not really under active development. And there are at least two XQuery implementations that compile to Java or

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Guillaume Laforge
Hi all, My turn to play the game :-) 1) JRuby or Jython or Rhino (pick the one you like best) Showing how one can port an existing scripting and/or dynamic language to the JVM 2) Groovy Showing how we can derive a dynamic language using the Java 5 grammar to make it look like Java, but

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread easieste
In no particular order, a set of five languages I find interesting to implement on the JVM: Clojure Kawa Jython ABCL JRuby And I would put 'Fortress' up there, but I don't know if Sun has released easily inspectable source code yet. Mark Evenson

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Jon Harrop
On Friday 25 April 2008 12:08:25 David MacIver wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM, easieste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would put 'Fortress' up there, but I don't know if Sun has released easily inspectable source code yet. They have, but Fortress probably shouldn't really be

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread David MacIver
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jon Harrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 25 April 2008 12:08:25 David MacIver wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM, easieste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would put 'Fortress' up there, but I don't know if Sun has released easily

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Friday 25 April 2008 09:26, rssh wrote: May be it takes sense to speak about 'concept dimensions'. From 'well-known concepts': scripting/ Groovy, JavaFX, JavaScript What is the working definition of a scripting language? functional/ Scala, Haskel (business objects has java

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas E Enebo
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, rssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be it takes sense to speak about 'concept dimensions'. From 'well-known concepts': scripting/ Groovy, JavaFX, JavaScript functional/ Scala, Hascel (business objects has java implementation as .. CAL)

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread Attila Szegedi
On 2008.04.25., at 18:36, Randall R Schulz wrote: What is the working definition of a scripting language? I really love Larry Wall's take on it: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/12/06/soto-11.html functional/ Scala, Haskel (business objects has java implementation as .. CAL) logic:

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-25 Thread David Huebel
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 25 April 2008 10:17, rssh wrote: Oh - interesting question. I'm afraid I don't know short definition. Long - get Ousterhout's original 1990 USENIX paper

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
Ola Bini wrote: My top five: JRuby Scala Clojure ioke Duby. You want justifications for those? =) No, but how about a description and status update for ioke I can use in the talk :) - Charlie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Richard Warburton
Here's my top five interesting language projects: JRuby - pushing the bounds of class generation and dynamic invocation perf, as well as pulling a whole other platform into the JVM ecosystem Groovy - providing almost all Java language features and two-way integration in addition to

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Jon Harrop
On Thursday 24 April 2008 19:08:53 Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: Ola Bini wrote: My top five: JRuby Scala Clojure ioke Duby. You want justifications for those? =) No, but how about a description and status update for ioke I can use in the talk :) I'd appreciate any

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Daniel Green
Distinct? mostly based off of the coolness factor: Scala JRuby Groovy Jhaskell (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jhaskell) OCaml-Java (http://ocamljava.x9c.fr/) And perhaps some implementation of Lisp or Scheme if a decent one exists. I imagine there's an abundance of them. But certainly not

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Guillaume Laforge
Shouldn't there be Rhino? On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects. This can certainly include languages that aren't under active development right now or that

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Per Bothner
Patrick Wright wrote: Hard to narrow it down, but Scala Kawa Pnuts Talc - F3 - such a good name :) Yes -certainly better than the current marketing-chosen name: JavaFX Script. Re: Kawa, I'm specifically interested in the reusable language infrastructure that underlies it, which

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread David MacIver
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 24 April 2008 21:39:56 Daniel Green wrote: It seems that everyone has put Scala in their top 5 :-). So either we were all introduced to the this group through the Scala community, or we're in for some

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Jim White
Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects... Groovy Kawa ANTLR Scala And for my abandonded and perhaps most lamented: MLj (the original source for F#) Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 24 April 2008 17:08, Jim White wrote: Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects... Groovy Kawa ANTLR Scala Wow. It's fascinating that someone would list both Groovy and Scala! The former is a

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread raybaq
Hi, Couldn't resist delurking to mention the JVM language I'm working on: JoyJ (Joy in Java, available at http://appforge2.apc.edu.ph/gf/project/joyj/scmsvn/), an interpreter for the concatenative programming language Joy (http:// www.latrobe.edu.au/philosophy/phimvt/joy.html). I used ANTLR in

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Jim White
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 24 April 2008 17:08, Jim White wrote: Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects... Groovy Kawa ANTLR Scala Wow. It's fascinating that someone would list both Groovy and

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
Jim White wrote: Scala has the right machinery for implementing a prototype for Java 3. Alas it suffers from the problem of other JVM languages like JRuby, Jython, and JavaFX in that it has gratuitous syntax deviation from Java for features that are the same as in Java. Them's fightin

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 24 April 2008 19:47, Jim White wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 24 April 2008 17:08, Jim White wrote: Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects... Groovy Kawa ANTLR Scala ... And

[jvm-l] Re: Top five languages

2008-04-24 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 24 April 2008 19:47, Jim White wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 24 April 2008 17:08, Jim White wrote: Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: For my CommunityOne talk...how about everyone posts five interesting JVM language projects... Groovy Kawa ANTLR