[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #8 from Nate Graham  ---
(In reply to Nach from comment #7)
> I agree with you the default should be what people see elsewhere so KDE
> doesn't seem alien. However I think KDE would be better with having this
> feature as an option (which is not the default) as it is did back in KDE 3.
> Windows used to have it, and one of the reasons I stopped using Windows is
> that they dropped it.
> 
> I kind of miss the days when we used to joke about how KDE never met an
> option it didn't like.
> 
> >But thanks for replying on this 10-year old bug!
> 
> Well, I'm still here, and I still care!
> I'm actually amazed someone is still looking at these after not hearing
> anything in years. I for the most part stopped filing bug reports with KDE
> because they rarely seem to be looked at let alone fixed.
> 
> I'm finding some KDE 5 applications segfault at times, the file copy dialog
> seems to be leaking RAM until it finishes copying, or Dolphin usability is
> way poorer than it should be, but I didn't bother taking the time to report
> things anymore, because it didn't look like the current KDE developers care
> about stability and usability like they used to.

On the contrary, it's one of our major goals right now:
https://phabricator.kde.org/T6831

I encourage you to keep on filing bugs--or better yet, submit some patches. We
have very good documentation on this:
- https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/development
- https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Phabricator

Over time, bug triaging had gotten short shrift, as you've noticed. But we're
making a push to improve on that front, which is probably why I'm triaging bugs
that are older than my children.

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nach]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #7 from Nach  ---
I agree with you the default should be what people see elsewhere so KDE doesn't
seem alien. However I think KDE would be better with having this feature as an
option (which is not the default) as it is did back in KDE 3. Windows used to
have it, and one of the reasons I stopped using Windows is that they dropped
it.

I kind of miss the days when we used to joke about how KDE never met an option
it didn't like.

>But thanks for replying on this 10-year old bug!

Well, I'm still here, and I still care!
I'm actually amazed someone is still looking at these after not hearing
anything in years. I for the most part stopped filing bug reports with KDE
because they rarely seem to be looked at let alone fixed.

I'm finding some KDE 5 applications segfault at times, the file copy dialog
seems to be leaking RAM until it finishes copying, or Dolphin usability is way
poorer than it should be, but I didn't bother taking the time to report things
anymore, because it didn't look like the current KDE developers care about
stability and usability like they used to.

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #6 from Nate Graham  ---
Thanks for clarifying. I can see the appeal now. That said, I don't think we're
going to bring back that feature in the way you describe it, sorry. There's
great value in following the common general pattern that's used throughout all
desktop operating systems simply so that users benefit from familiarity and
muscle memory. But thanks for replying on this 10-year old bug!

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nach]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #5 from Nach  ---
>If you want folders separate in your open/save panels, they can be sorted that 
>way: click the settings icon in the top-right corner of the window, then go to 
>Sorting, then check "Folders First".

That doesn't separate them, that just sorts them. If you have many directories
somewhere together with the file you want to open, you have to scroll past all
of them till you find the files.

If they are in two separate panels, if you want to open a file, that right side
pane is only showing the files, and there's less to go through. In cases where
there's many directories and few files, it's much easier to find what you want
when the directories are already filtered out.

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #4 from Nate Graham  ---
Split view allows the two panes to display different directories.

If you want folders separate in your open/save panels, they can be sorted that
way: click the settings icon in the top-right corner of the window, then go to
Sorting, then check "Folders First".

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nach]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

--- Comment #3 from Nach  ---
If you don't want to add the feature, that's fine, but your reason doesn't add
up.

>where the primary purpose is to navigate to a specific window, folder, or file

It's easier to navigate when the directories are cleanly separated from the
files. Hence why the feature existed in the first place and why I asked for it
to return.

>Split view is useful for managing and comparing files in multiple directories

I have no idea how it's useful for that. You have a single list of files, what
exactly are you comparing it with?

>or moving/copying files between them

Since split view is incapable of "moving/copying" between "them", them being on
the left side only directories and the right side being only files, where one
cannot appear in the other, I have no idea what you're talking about.

To me it sounds like you're thinking of something other than KDE 3's split
viewing window that was provided during open/save.

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[kfile] [Bug 166697] KDE4 file dialogs is missing seperate folders view

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166697

Nate Graham  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||n...@kde.org
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #2 from Nate Graham  ---
This isn't a useful view in an open/save dialog, where the primary purpose is
to navigate to a specific window, folder, or file. Split view is useful for
managing and comparing files in multiple directories, or moving/copying files
between them--neither use case of which applies to the open/save dialogs.

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