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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #494 from Nick --- (In reply to David Edmundson from comment #2) > >yes, the feature has been removed and due to the huge problem and added > >complexity it gave, is not going back. > > Then close the bug. == I recall the times when "per-virtual-desktop-wallpaper[s]" option was available. I recall that I was among the many who reported that in KDE 4 that option was removed . At that time I believed that re-activating an older[just removed] option it is not big deal Nowadaysseveral years after that KDE4 improvement--- we the users STILL want the option back It is surprising that we the users are told---even lectured---that our wishes can not be satisfied due to ... !!! COMPLEXITY !!!. I am not aware of such discussion when the developers ... GIFTED us with "ACTIVITIES" It was not introduced via users' votes, but . via devs "desire". Instead, it seems that there is a NEW dev-trend of introducing new[?] options by removing/obsoleting existing options/packages. That explains why the devs use complexity to justify why hood options/packages are pushed out !!! For a long time I use Vallpaper [ now at 2.0.2 level --- from kde-store ] and it works beautifuly !!! Dev-team's intransigence / unwillingness / approach / solution / what-ever brings me back to many comments/aphorisms ...such as 1. [ Re: user's reaction to "activities" complexity, and devs' justification] ... What is a camel ? A horse designed by a committee ! 2. That's not right. That's not even wrong. Wolfgang Pauli 3. Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. T. S. Eliot 4. Don't listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions. Albert Einstein The devs should realize that it is high time to design for the users ,and not for themselves !!! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #493 from Lehmeier --- It may feel harsh but it's just the frustration of years of ignoring it. It wasn't just the wallpaper, but also the fact that I could rearrange every virtual desktop with programmes, folders etc. so that it was perfect for me. Since the activities, it is just confusing and the capabilities are, felt, far behind the 4.x. As for the developers, I'm glad they're creating KDE, but ignoring the user in the process is not okay and should be named. The ease of use of 4.x was its big advantage, now it's just cumbersome. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #492 from Satyam --- (In reply to Lehmeier from comment #491) > Then you've already shown a lot of ability to suffer. > > After the last KDE 4.X I tried to make friends with Plasma (KDE 5) and then > I changed to XFCE 4.X. I was annoyed. > If I can't have a user-friendly and (for me) perfect working environment any > more, then I won't have to struggle to get used to it every time. > > With each version the wheel is reinvented and then only matures with the > user, instead of ensuring that the new version can at least do what the > previous one already offered. > > It is a tragedy. KDE could be the best desktop in the world - if one would > put the user in the foreground and not the developer ego. I've used KDE every single day through all of KDE 4 and all of KDE 5. I have several frustrations a couple of them strong. I understand it being frustrating when something is changed or disappears, I'm certainly disappointed that to get different desktop wall papers I have to use Activities, but I don't think it's at all fair to say the wheel is constantly being reinvented. I have also had an experience where I strongly disagreed with a developer, where I thought he was not listening and was doing what he wanted rather than what was logical or standard, but I would never categorically say anything about developers other than thank you. It feels abrasive to see you criticize KDE and developers in general rather than a specific complaint. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #491 from Lehmeier --- Then you've already shown a lot of ability to suffer. After the last KDE 4.X I tried to make friends with Plasma (KDE 5) and then I changed to XFCE 4.X. I was annoyed. If I can't have a user-friendly and (for me) perfect working environment any more, then I won't have to struggle to get used to it every time. With each version the wheel is reinvented and then only matures with the user, instead of ensuring that the new version can at least do what the previous one already offered. It is a tragedy. KDE could be the best desktop in the world - if one would put the user in the foreground and not the developer ego. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #490 from Dick Tracey --- > More "me too!" style comments aren't going to make it happen any faster, I'm > afraid. Indeed, given that hundreds of posts over ~15 years (some are now systematically marked as "spam" recently) hasn't had any results, I don't think anyone is actually expecting that. I'd say the feeling is dismay rather than hope. I'm saying this as someone who has used KDE exclusively since 1.x days. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #489 from Nate Graham --- Clearly Activities are not a real replacement for Virtual Desktops and it's not reasonable to ask users to try to bodge their setups into trying. The use cases are different. This bug report is still open because bringing per-wallpaper support back to Virtual Desktops hasn't been vetoed; someone just needs to do it. More "me too!" style comments aren't going to make it happen any faster, I'm afraid. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #488 from John --- (In reply to Dick Tracey from comment #481) > ...and I never saw anyone using Activities)... Just to provide some "Spam" feedback: i do use Activities and i hope they won't go away! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #487 from Dick Tracey --- Correction to my previous message, here is the correct link https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246#c1 The first reply here is similar as well https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143#c1 Different wallpapers of each VD (which existed for many years before) is somehow "huge problem" and "added complexity", but the proposed remedy aka Activities, an overly engineered behemoth that is used by a minority is somehow not an added complexity. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #486 from Dick Tracey --- > I don't understand where this notion has come from - no KDE developer has > ever said "activities is the replacement for per-virtual-desktop-wallpaper". The notion comes from the fact that for over a decade, whenever the issue about not being able to set a wallpaper for each virtual desktop was raised, someone from KDE team says to use activities for that. It's literally is the first reply in the previous issue for example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 I remember the same arguments being thrown around 15 years ago as well. The message has been the same: we took away your ability to set wallpapers per desktop, use activities. A beloved feature was exchanged for a feature that nobody asked for. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #485 from Oded Arbel --- (In reply to Cedric from comment #484) > I really don't get this "activities vs virtual desktops" debate. I don't see > why virtual desktops (meaning different desktops with different widgets and > wallpapers) couldn't exist within activities. I think the same - the existence of activities doesn't negate the existence of virtual desktops, and fortunately - both exist at the same time in Plasma. > To me it's a lazy excuse from > devs to not bring back the feature we ask for. I don't understand where this notion has come from - no KDE developer has ever said "activities is the replacement for per-virtual-desktop-wallpaper". The worst is that maybe someone suggested that some fraction of people who would like different wallpapers for different work areas could find activities as a useful workflow instead of this feature. > Personally I use activities and I don't want (and I'm pretty sure that I > don't need) to have to choose. Same here > But IMO I think that the main blocker right now for this feature to come > back is developers ego. "we knwo what's good for you! Use activities"... Again, no one said that. I'd wish people would let that go - activities was not meant as a replacement for per-desktop wallpaper, it was created as its own unique thing that is a distinctive KDE feature and is very useful for some people, and the fact that KDE 5 both introduce activities and dropped per-desktop wallpapers is completely coincidental - these two changes just happened together in a huge version that made a lot of other changes as well. Finally, this is your yearly reminder: if you want KDE to bring back per-virtual-dekstop wallpapers, and you can't do the work yourself - there's a bounty that is still open to encourage developers to work on this. See comment #367 and here: https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop-wallpapers . It is currently at $185 and if you can donate to make this bounty more attractive, please do so (full disclosure - I am such a supporter). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #484 from Cedric --- I really don't get this "activities vs virtual desktops" debate. I don't see why virtual desktops (meaning different desktops with different widgets and wallpapers) couldn't exist within activities. To me it's a lazy excuse from devs to not bring back the feature we ask for. They didn't plan for this from the start, so it's a lot of work now, so let's find an excuse, say it's because of the activities and forget about it. Personally I use activities and I don't want (and I'm pretty sure that I don't need) to have to choose. I just wish that with KDE6 they took that into consideration. But IMO I think that the main blocker right now for this feature to come back is developers ego. "we knwo what's good for you! Use activities"... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #483 from Olivier BELLEUX --- Dear Nate Graham You've downgraded this bug from "Severity|normal" to "wishlist", but that doesn't calm the malcontents. Since you are currently a member of the Kde Board, you are in a good position to put an end to this debate that has been dragging on for years. It looks like a rotten strategy, and that's not good for the atmosphere in the community. So I suggest that you put to a poll: - the question of the existence of activities, - the question of their adoption and use - the question of removing them in favor of virtual desktops / workspaces each with their own widgets (including wallpaper). So everyone will be fixed once and for all and this bug can finally be solved. If some people don't agree with the "democratic choice", they are free to leave. Gnome also had its discontents at the beginning of Gnome Shell. Cheers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #482 from Olivier BELLEUX --- Dear Nate Graham You've downgraded this bug from "Severity|normal" to "wishlist", but that doesn't calm the malcontents. Since you are currently a member of the Kde Board, you are in a good position to put an end to this debate that has been dragging on for years. It looks like a rotten strategy, and that's not good for the atmosphere in the community. So I suggest that you put to a poll: - the question of the existence of activities, - the question of their adoption and use - the question of removing them in favor of virtual desktops / workspaces each with their own widgets (including wallpaper). So everyone will be fixed once and for all and this bug can finally be solved. If some people don't agree with the "democratic choice", they are free to leave. Gnome also had its discontents at the beginning of Gnome Shell. Cheers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #481 from Dick Tracey --- There was a glimmer of hope in this proposal to remove the Activities starting KDE 6 (which I hate, and I never saw anyone using Activities) https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/issues/35 but unfortunately, it's probably not going to happen: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kactivitymanagerd/-/issues/ The history will just repeat itself, and it will be yet another KDE 4 and KDE 5. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #480 from Lehmeier --- All this was already possible in KDE 4.14 and it got better and better until the end. Unfortunately, everything was cancelled because KDE has to reinvent the wheel every time and they thought KDE 5 (Plasma) would be so much better - instead they lose the old users. It's just sad. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #479 from John --- This is definitely the main reason why I don't use multiple workspaces as usability definitely sucks without having a quick way to identify which workspace is which and the different wallpapers would've been the best thing for that. I could've even used a wallpaper with a house or my favorite picture for the home one or I could've used an image editing program to add even numbers on them or other texts. I can't believe that I had this possibility 12 years ago in Gnome 2 with Compiz, which made the cube even better, and now we still can't have that in modern desktop environments. I know about activities, but honestly I never got into them as they seem to complicated for what I want compared to having a few workspaces that you switch between. I hope some day somebody solves this huge usability problem for me so I can finally use workspaces again as I used to. If I were to design this, I would've just linked each workspace with a set of wallpapers, a set of panels, a set of widgets, a set of icon shortcuts to applications and a set of folders and files that belong to it with an option for each set of things to span on multiple workspaces (to be the same one), like in the case the user wants the same panel or widgets in all or multiple workspaces. I assume this is pretty hard to do, but I think it should solve all the problems and wishes for everybody. and in case of using the cube this would be great. Imagine wanting to play a game and just having to switch to the "gaming" side of the cube where I have a gaming wallpaper, widgets with temperatures for when I alt-tab out of a game, shortcuts on the desktop for all my games or launchers like Steam and Lutris I would find that pretty intuitive and easy to use. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 shawnk...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||shawnk...@gmail.com --- Comment #478 from shawnk...@gmail.com --- I honestly didn't find activities all that useful no matter how much I tried to make sense of it. So getting rid of the activities and focusing on improving virtual desktop feature or combining those to features into one somehow makes more sense to me. If this is feasible then, I really hope this change will make it easier/possible to set different wallpaper per virtual desktop like back then. Please refer to these links below if you want to get better idea. This was just beautiful feature that no other desktops environment like Mac, Windows had (closest one was DE with a help of compiz but not quite as good as our kde's kwin) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHOJiTkcg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ZFrrM9Zro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLG722muUQ In my opinion, Plasma 4 was awesome if you didn't use activities because some people experienced some minor issues which I never had. I would be really happy if we can somehow bring back wallpaper per virtual desktop feature (even if that means we have to remove activities). Of course, it would be ideal to keep them both to be fair with those who still find activities useful. What didn't make sense the most to me was not being able to have separate account/profile per activities because without it, it's useless for my use case. What I did like about activities however was privacy settings since you can hide/suspend it from current workspace. There are pros & cons but it's a matter of which side it outweighs the other. I guess it all depends on how you use it. Another options would be to just keep virtual workspace but have another feature to create private environment/workspace kind of like hidden folder. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #477 from Dominik Kummer --- (In reply to geisserml from comment #476) > As far as I am concerned, there is way too much unproductive off-topic talk > in this thread. Can you please carry that out elsewhere in some chat room? > This is a bug tracker after all. off-topic? partly yes. lets keep it close to the "bug" until the the issue is solved. it is basically and initially a communication issue. this is comment #477. isnt it too late anyhow? Actually I do solidarize with the original bug reporter. But of course I do know that Marco Martin and David Edmundson are basically right. Other meritocratic/technocratic issues between developer and user base are obvious. Now here we are. The only thing I can offer is to provide my solution to the problem, and to frame it with personal experience. Thats the versatile power of KDE. It does not solve the "bug". It offers a certain functional aspect of KDE's architecture to solve daily multitasks. Which can probably turn justified skepticism of one or another KDE4 user around again. Surely I can open another endless discussion on matrix or elsewhere, start a kde forum, publish a blog, or outsource the problem into another country. But please I just would like to keep it stupid simple and as close as possible to the original report. Most enthusiastic users research on this topic will end here I guess. Hopefully someone with more time will translate this monster thread into a holistic tutorial. Sooner or later I will. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #475 from Dominik Kummer --- (In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #474) > A. nice! Looks like a feature that people would like. > B. It isn't merged or even accepted yet, so lets wait until then at least. > C. This work doesn't relate at all to handling different virtual desktops I am watching it closely. The feature helps navigating the contextual "tensor" I describe below. Plus I am glad that the development direction (vision) is shared by talented users who actually implement stuff. my goal is to do so as well. but "life so short, thy craft so long to learn" as Chet Ramey rightly quotes. > differently - it is completely orthogonal and uses whatever information the > actual wallpaper plugins in the current containment uses, so if your > wallpaper plugin doesn't support per-virtual desktop configuration, then > this work would not allow you to set different accent colors for different > virtual desktops. So I don't think it applies at all to this issue. It's architecture demands the containment itself to make use of the API as far as I got it. But thats easy as soon as the framework (api) is available. > Same, but this is apparently a feature that people would want to hassle with > - I have a friend (not CCed here) that refuses to consider Plasma until this > feature is implemented. Some people just cannot leave their belief system, even though activities do the job, but unfortunately are not called "virtual desktop" anymore. Its an ideological conflict of semantics I guess. Or I am simply to dumb to get the whole point of virtual desktops. Most probably a misinformation campaign by M$ lol. > Really? How did you set it up? Is it using one of the third party solutions > mentioned here (or not)? Can you recommend a tool and explain your setup on > how to get different wallpaper for different virtual desktops on the same > activity? The only usefull purpose of virtual desktops is the extra "dimension" to setup window rules with kwin rules. its a tensor of screen/activity/desktop. so you have an abstract threedimensional space to place your application by context. And I love colors to do so. Without colors I die. It works out of the box. Set up 3 virtual desktop "Research", "Organize", "Process" (its like 3 tabletops/workbenches to put your applications/devices on) Now add 4 activities "Work", "Creative", "Gaming", "Coding". (I image wallpapers a literally workshop wall-paper, to remind me in which "room" I am actually in :D ) Finally craft your own set of Kwin Rules for each Application to use. For example tell Dolphin to forcibly go desktop "Organize", activity "All", screen 3, keyboard shortcut Meta+D. Now everytime you need Dolphin press Meta+D and you will move through this socalled "tensor" into the context "Organize/Any Activity". Meta+XYZ and you are back into your previous task. It is pretty abstract, but try it with shortcuts and you'll see, it feels like pretty natural movement through virtual space. Widgets go by Activity, but I can live with that for sure! I literally had to quit a day job lately because of M$ Windows. I got stomach ache, nightmares, aggression, depression and panic attack after two weeks or so. KDE saved my life! :-D Kind regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #474 from Oded Arbel --- (In reply to Dominik Kummer from comment #473) > Someone is already working on a solution which I actually prefer. I would > give him the bounty. > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/1325 A. nice! Looks like a feature that people would like. B. It isn't merged or even accepted yet, so lets wait until then at least. C. This work doesn't relate at all to handling different virtual desktops differently - it is completely orthogonal and uses whatever information the actual wallpaper plugins in the current containment uses, so if your wallpaper plugin doesn't support per-virtual desktop configuration, then this work would not allow you to set different accent colors for different virtual desktops. So I don't think it applies at all to this issue. > As I use Activities on a daily basis, it would be very cumbersome to define > wallpapers for each desktop. Same, but this is apparently a feature that people would want to hassle with - I have a friend (not CCed here) that refuses to consider Plasma until this feature is implemented. > The color/wallpaper is changing by activity per virtual dektop application > set. (or per screen) Really? How did you set it up? Is it using one of the third party solutions mentioned here (or not)? Can you recommend a tool and explain your setup on how to get different wallpaper for different virtual desktops on the same activity? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #473 from Dominik Kummer --- (In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #472) > (In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #382) > > ... add to > > the bounty here: > > https://www.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > > wallpapers - it is to to $185 now, and when it's $1000 in sure some > > developer would want to grab it. > > The bounty source website had apparently changed without taking into account > old external links. > > For developers interested in grabbing the bounty (that is still at $185) or > users wanting to sweeten the deal - the updated bug bounty link is thus: > > https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > wallpapers Someone is already working on a solution which I actually prefer. I would give him the bounty. https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/1325 As I use Activities on a daily basis, it would be very cumbersome to define wallpapers for each desktop. With kwin rules I have a different set of Applications for each virtual desktop. The color/wallpaper is changing by activity per virtual dektop application set. (or per screen) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #472 from Oded Arbel --- (In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #382) > ... add to > the bounty here: > https://www.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop- > wallpapers - it is to to $185 now, and when it's $1000 in sure some > developer would want to grab it. The bounty source website had apparently changed without taking into account old external links. For developers interested in grabbing the bounty (that is still at $185) or users wanting to sweeten the deal - the updated bug bounty link is thus: https://app.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop-wallpapers -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #471 from Dominik Kummer --- @Lehmeier @Juanma I know exactly what you mean, I was pissed as hell as I realized that the virtual desktops did not work as expected. And to be honest, I regularly drive nuts with Akonadi. Or why Calligra, and not Koffice? Why Virtuoso? Why Baloo? Anyways, every active developer has the right to actively puzzle another vision into KDE, I guess thats the spirit. But I am pretty sure, someday I will throw my notebook out the window and go for a looong walk. So yes, I have a convervative, stubborn and unpatient naturell, but one day I decided to cope with Activities and thought about the possibilities. First I imagined my Machine as a Workshop. Activities are my Workshop Departments. Every Departments rooms are colored in different ink. VDesktops are Workbenches in those Departments, all made of wood. For every department I wear another Helmet with different Widgets on it. Screens are my different Glasses for completeness sake. Every Application is a bigger device in my Departments, which I usually dont want to move around a lot, they are grouped togheter by function and use case. So Kwin Rules are my Floor Plan to define where all Devices have to be placed, eg. Department A, Workbench 3, Shortcut Meta+X for example. Also if I set the Department Color to lets say Green, I am very glad that I do NOT have to apply this setting for every single Desktop. This enables me to add and remove Workbenches from my Departments without coloring them every time. Now I have Department: "Work", "Education", "Art", "Development" (Activities) And in every department are 3 Workbenches: "Research", "Organize", "Process" My Floor plan sends Device Class "falkon work" into Dep. "Work" on Workbench "Research", "falkon work" into Dep. "Work" on Workbench "Research" access Meta+1 "falkon edu" into Dep. "Education" on Workbench "Research" and "Process" access Meta+2 "falkon develop" into Dep. "Development" on Workbench "Research" and "Process" access Meta+4 (several falkons to avoid the Tab Hell) "KDevelop" into Dep. "Development" on Workbench "Process" access Shortcut Meta+K "kmymoney" into Dep. "Work" on Workbench "Process" access Meta+M "dolphin /home/dom/Art" into Dep. "Art" on Workbench "Organize" access Shortcut Meta+D "dolphin /home/dom/Dev" into Dep. "Development" on Workbench "Organize" and "Research" access Shortcut Meta+Alt+D Meanwhile it took me years to build a useful list of Kwin Rules, but I got used to it, and those Shortcuts are deeply integrated into my brain now. Every important Device (App) is accessible through Shortcuts. So Meta+Alt+D beams me instant into Department "Development" and all Devices and Gadgets I need are there. Meta+M and I am already checking the balances. In future I would like to have the Window Accent Color synced with my Department color, otherwise I sometimes lose track which Production Line I am currently working on. IMHO this D "Matrix/Tensor" is very usefull, but of course not for everyone. Now lets say I want KFileDialog to enter the path "/home/dom/Dev" (or to enter the last directory linked to Activity "Development") when the File Dialog was called by an Application which is associated with the Activity "Development". Similar plans for "/home/dom/Edu" and its subdirectories which will be linked to Activity "Education". Or Meta+V Kdenlive, open a file, KFileDialog points to "/home/dom/Editing" or one of its recent subdirectories. With all sorts of desktop metadata, scripts, QML and DBus I could customize this behavior. But for KFileDialog I have to go deeper. What about Bookmarks categorized by Activity? And yes, Nepomuk and RDF without Virtuoso. But something like GNU 3store. NoSQL, nice and thin. Btw, the "Semantic Desktop" is about giving you control over your big data back. But some folks still want to sell data services online, thats the deal. Maybe you can find something useful in my use cases. After all I am very happy with my desktop now. Although Akonadi. @Claverhouse but why am I so glad to have this feature now? I dont get it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #470 from Claverhouse --- Entirely agree with Lehmeier. Plus 'Activities' suck. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #469 from Lehmeier --- I read your comment and I have to say that you don't know why we want the old way of working back. And yes, I have struggled with this for a few months and found the activities unacceptable in their current form. But let's come back to your proposal. It's not just about different backgrounds, it's about the fact that under the virtual desktops you could configure everything so that you could work very effectively. It was the best of both worlds. The current version of the activities is a serious step backwards in terms of usability. I used to have only the virtual desktops. Each one not only had a different wallpaper but was also uniquely personalised with different folders, applications, etc. With KDE 4 there was a switch in the settings and you could use it to switch on the activities, so to speak. Why is it no longer possible. It worked fine and then was replaced by this rubbish. If jamnd now thinks that the code was too confusing, then I can only say that the user doesn't care what the code looks like as long as it works as it should and if you want to optimise something then do it in such a way that it doesn't hinder your workflow or even drive you away from KDE. When I needed the desktop, I switched it, but now there are too many problems - so many problems that I have since switched to another interface. There, with every new version, a new pig is not herded through the village and you don't have to get used to it all over again. KDE now only has the status of a tinkering hut that cannot be recommended to anyone who wants to work seriously. Finally, take your users seriously and don't expect that you have to get used to it every time just because a developer has his self-realisation trip. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #468 from Juanma --- En domingo, 16 de enero de 2022 15:42:37 CET, Dominik Kummer escribió: > PS: to the conservative user base: did you ever try Activities? Or are you > waiting until M$ and @ppl are copying the feature again? @Dominik: I am one of those users who long for KDE4, and I don't think it is a matter of being conservative. I posted reasons for why I reject Activities on the 14th of June last year (as I saw now, in an HTML-formatted email, for which I apologize). Activities work badly in a very clear and unavoidable way: they only make sense with Activities-aware programs. My browser of choice is not part of KDE (is there a Plasma web browser currently?), nor is my editor. They won't abide by whatever rules Activities will want to impose on them. On the other hand, VDs worked with anything that was inside a window. They worked even with Emacs. They also worked with KNotes, which, though that was (also dead now?) part of KDE, had its notes placed in non-standard windows. And what is the gain with Activities? Filtering email boxes that belong to the current activity? Mmmmkey, not for me, but maybe for some people... Filtering files and folders? Nice, but I did that with configured widgets per Virtual Desktop together with tags. Tags: that is a feature worth focusing on, rather than Activities. I have been waiting so long for a simple and nice way to tag files and folders... Instead, I got Nepomuk, the semantic desktop concept (hated it, with files indexer killing my CPU for no added value). That thing is gone, is it not? So, Activities is a client lock-up kind of move much like those we (should) hate in, precisely, Microsoft or Apple. I guess you are thinking that I am sooo conservative (I stick with Emacs, right?). Well, I try to use the best things I find. I don't use Emacs to program, but it is still the best thing for me for a bunch of uses. I rejected the "semantic desktop" because I don't need a googlesque searcher in my own PC, as if it was the outer cyber-space, because the contents of my disk are my own, up to me to keep then and organized by me, so I never thought it was a great idea. But there is also the point of having your work-flows, specially if there was a learning (and/or configuring) curve to climb, and it hurts having to re-learn with each new release. I know that people do that all the time with M$ Office, but most of them never get to learn sh!t of how to use it well anyway. -- Juan -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Dominik Kummer changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ad...@arkades.org --- Comment #467 from Dominik Kummer --- I totally agree with all you who express need for a visually differentiated matrix of virtual desktop & activities, at least for advanced workflows. BUT surely David Edmundson is perfectly right, wallpaper dont differentiate anything if you work with full screen or window tiling. Plus the technical effort is not worth the result, and there are higher priority bugs to fix. As a compromise I suppose a possible solution I suggested lately, which makes use of the new custom accent color feature: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444676 Maybe such compromising solution with plain color is less complex to implement in short term. And it probably solves the visual needs temporarly until someone re-implements the per-desktop wallpaper again. Besides the Rightclick-Menu on Desktop says "Configure Desktop and Wallpaper..." although the wallpaper of the actual activity is configured there. On the other hand Activity System Setting offer settings for Icon, Name and Description and Privacy. So the structure of the virtual desktop & activity matrix is still genius but confusing. So lets get our asses together and study the relevant source code if currently other bugs have higher priority. Personally I trust the core developers with that argument. I already did some git clones and yes: The craft so long to learn. Thats for sure. PS: to the conservative user base: did you ever try Activities? Or are you waiting until M$ and @ppl are copying the feature again? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 cipricus changed: What|Removed |Added CC||cipri...@gmail.com --- Comment #466 from cipricus --- (In reply to David Edmundson from comment #13) > Your best bet will be to argue this line with a valid reason. > > >different workspaces with different containment/wallpaper can be done with > >activities, and that's what's supported. > > So far the only argument I've seen is "I don't see a reason to use them" > which doesn't stand up as a reason when it solves exactly what you're asking > for. Desktops/workspaces do need wallpaper differentiation —as much as activities do. Saying that one should use activities for wallpapers is like saying "don't use desktops" or like saying "use workspaces instead" when one would complain that there is no activity grid and no other easy way like a shortcut to move windows between activities. Both activities and workspaces need wallpapers and grid, and "send-window" shortcut. As they are they are both imperfect and incapable of compensating each other's faults: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/rcezjw/are_activities_supposed_to_combine_with_virtual/?utm_source=share_medium=web2x=3 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #465 from michel --- @Lehmeier: Thanks for your tip about XFCE. I installed and tested it today on a slightly older PC. It looks very good, much better than LXDE and looks like a good replacement for "Plasma light" and so on... - and, what an unusual luxury: quite easily adjustable different background images per screen - which is so complicated in Plasma... Bye Michael -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #464 from Lehmeier --- I can understand you well. KDE 4 was just great and was replaced by a half-baked Plasma, but it was only last year that I finally moved to Linux last year - but I switched from Plasma to XFCE. It's not as good as KDE 4 but still better than Plasma. I'm glad I switched to Linux, when I see what's going on under Win 11 now, I don't want to go back. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #463 from michel --- @satyam: You don't know much about me, but you allow yourself to judge... That does not speak for you. I started using Linux sometime in 1998 with Slackware. Since that was a very unsatisfying affair, I switched to SuSE-Linux in 2000 and didn't leave SuSE till to these days. Since already first GUIs made working easier, I came from the QL and later Amiga and was used to working with GUI from there, I stayed with SuSE and soon came to KDE. I think it was version 2, still a bit bumpy but "the others" (first Windows-Versions...) weren't much better. Since then I used Linux and KDE, from 2001 on all private computers exclusively, i.e. without "Emergency-Windows"... I was happy, like you, about the complete package Linux with KDE up to version 4, which was probably the crowning glory and left hardly any wishes. Professionally I started first with Lotus 1-2-3 and later with IBM/38 and AS400B40 with RPG, RPG2 and Cobol and later held only trainings for a long time. So I took the opportunity, whenever it came up, to introduce Linux with KDE to people. For this I had a perfectly running Linux PC with first the last KDE3 versions, which were also great, and later with KDE4 versions in the training room and brought many people to wonder and to Linux. But that's in the past. After that it went downhill with the team Linux and KDE. The first Plasma versions were only a poor copy compared to KDE4 and it improved only a little, especially many functions disappeared from KDE and related software, so I decided this year to turn my back on KDE and Linux. I don't run the computers as an end in itself, but use them very intensively for my very different hobbies, which worked perfectly and satisfactorily for decades, until the last time... You may be satisfied with what is put in front of you. I'm not. I see no reason why you should put up with incompetent people ruining a once excellent product. At the end of the day, I just want to work frustration-free, that's all. And that is being thwarted by these wannabe heroes. So I switched all my computers except one to Windows. One of them is still running LXDE, because there are some nice things I don't want to miss anymore. And now you can go on about me if you like. It does not hit me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #462 from Satyam --- (In reply to michel from comment #461) > Well, the calculation of the ignorant KDE developers seems to work well: The > thread is running itself to death. They sit back in their armchairs and are > not interested in the KDE-users or their concerns. > > Well, what the heck. I now still have only one Linux machine running LXDE > and inbetween several Win-PCs. One can live with that, far away from the > solution I once advocated regionally and nationally and for which I made > myself loud and clear, maybe the ignorant dev-people know what a multiplier > is... Now you have just one less, but also this will not interest you. > > > Bye. > Michael I've been using KDE exclusively for maybe 15-16 years. I certainly have had some frustrations. Yet I've always seen it as an incredible gift that people would donate their time and skill to give me a desktop experience better that even paid corporations offer. Everything you say is really about yourself starting with not caring and sitting back in your arm chair. You don't even use KDE. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #461 from michel --- Well, the calculation of the ignorant KDE developers seems to work well: The thread is running itself to death. They sit back in their armchairs and are not interested in the KDE-users or their concerns. Some heroes are trying to be messiahs by trying to make the unwanted solution "Activities" palatable and have obviously not understood that this solution is not favored at all because of several reasons. Who knows in whose name they present themselves here? Well, what the heck. I now still have only one Linux machine running LXDE and inbetween several Win-PCs. One can live with that, far away from the solution I once advocated regionally and nationally and for which I made myself loud and clear, maybe the ignorant dev-people know what a multiplier is... Now you have just one less, but also this will not interest you. Just keep it up. This once phenomenal software-product would by no means be the first to be ruined by incompetent developers. Bye. Michael -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Vladimir Yerilov changed: What|Removed |Added CC||openmind...@gmail.com --- Comment #460 from Vladimir Yerilov --- >>the feature has been removed and due to the huge problem and added complexity >>it gave Individual wallpapers per desktop? Complexity? "Huge problem and complexity" is having 2 layouts: desktop and folder view. The former has always been a limited version of the latter and made no sense at all, all it could ever bring to user has been just extra clutter of settings and restriction of desktop menu/icons options. That was the case in KDE 4 era, and that is the case now. On a related note, now it has something to do with switching desktops with mouse scrolling, which works in Desktop view and almost never works in Folder view. "Now" is not the right word actually. It's broken since 2020. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #459 from Olivier BELLEUX --- I never understood what the activities were for or how they differed from a virtual desktop. The concept is wrong from the start. If you look at a dictionary for "activité": (Yes, I'm French...) - [Larousse](https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/activité/947) 1) A set of phenomena by which certain forms of life, a process, a functioning are manifested: Physical activity, intellectual activity. 2) Faculty, power to act; manifestation of this faculty: A man overflowing with activity. - [dictionary.lerobert](https://dictionnaire.lerobert.com/definition/activite) 1) (THINGS) The faculty or fact of acting. The activity of a drug. - A volcano in activity. ➙ action. 2) Coordinated acts and works of human origin. Physical activity. The industrial activity of a region. - PLURAL The activities of sb. ➙ occupation. 3) The quality of an active person. To show great activity. 4) Situation of a person (ESPECIALLY a military person) who is exercising his employment (as opposed to retirement, availability). An activity is not a place on which to place windows or widgets or wallpaper… That's a desktop! The concept of "activity" would be interesting if it were rather a tool allowing to save a particular state of a work session and to come back to it later, i.e. to save the windows, widgets and wallpapers at a given moment in a database and to allow, via a graphic interface (a dashboard) to consult the list of saved activities, the various existing snapshots and to choose one of them to reopen it and resume from this state of the user session. To be more synthetic: 1) turn on the computer 2) login + password = connection to the user account with the default activity 3) open the activity dashboard and choose the "photography" activity 4) work on you holidays photos... 5) open the activities dashboard and choose the activity "contribute to kde", reopen the session of 2014-11-21. 6) reply to bug 341143. 7) open the activity dashboard and choose the activity "play 0ad 8) turn off the computer and go to sleep This is just an idea that popped into my head, so I'll just give it to you as it comes. Sincerely -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Satyam changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vayu@oneofthesevenbillion.c ||om --- Comment #458 from Satyam --- I use activities for only one thing. That's a different wallpaper for each screen. It's easy and it works just like virtual desktops. There's even a pager for the panel that works just like the virtual desktop pager. I actually don't understand activities, how to use them, and what's different about them than virtual desktops, but I do have 4 virtual desktops with different wallpapers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #457 from Lehmeier --- That's how it is! KDE is years behind its possibilities because the developers keep reinventing the wheel and forget what the users really want - a desktop that just works and doesn't have to be completely reconfigured every few years. If they would stick to that, that you could work with it for years without problems, then they would be the No. 1. But this way you only ensure that the users run away from you. Simply sad. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #456 from Yannick --- Now, even Microsoft with Windows 11 is capable of having a different wallpaper per virtual desktop. Plasma will soon be the only desktop environment for which it is impossible to have such a feature though it used to exist in KDE4. As expected and announced in the past, KDE Team wants people to use activities instead of virtual desktops. It is obviously that today they force them to, because of technical limitations they don't want to fix. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #455 from Lehmeier --- I can understand that, KDE 5 is also unusable for my taste, which is why I switched to XFCE. It can't do everything, but it is constantly being developed and doesn't make such big leaps as KDE. KDE is probably losing more and more users, but the programmers don't seem to care. So don't. It's just a pity that there is no fork of KDE 4.14. I would install it again immediately. I tried Suse a long time ago, with 4.0 (unpacked, read the manual, packed it, waited for a new version) - but it didn't convince me for long, even though I tested it again and again. After Suse, came Debian, Ubuntu (when Unity came, I left again), Mint, Manjaro and now also Suse Tumbleweed and EndeavourOS for my daughter as a test. So after about 25 years of dual-booting with Windows, I decided last year to switch completely to Manjaro. So far without any regrets. As for deepl.com, I use it too - it just does the better translations. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #454 from michel --- Hello, thank you for the XFCE recommendation. I switched to Windows with the three computers because it is imperative that they work in a contemporary manner. It already worked flawlessly with KDE4 and it was a pleasure to work with it. Trying around with other interfaces is currently not possible with these computers in their place. Since the frustration with KDE5 increased more and more and there is no remedy in sight, I have now completely switched "to the enemy". There everything works reasonably well. This is perhaps the worst way, from a Linux point of view, but a workable one. Some of my acquaintances, who "defected" to OpenSuSE at my instigation years ago, have also taken the step back (which of course didn't influence my decision, I'm a "Linuxer" since the beginning of the 2000s - still...). Even they noticed after a few years of KDE experience the more and more user-unfriendly KDE5 and don't want to go downhill. On one of my two remaining Linux machines I can try XFCE, also TDE (the continued KDE3) is worth another try, but it is also a fundamental question, if I let some people, who are far removed from reality, permanently force something on me, which I don't like - from people, who also depend on a certain degree of cooperation with users, but completely ignore this and act as if they were alone in the world. It is these ignoramuses who are ultimately responsible for the demise of KDE and, inevitably, Linux on the desktop. So they can shove their never-ending-and-never-working-story Wayland somewhere else... I don't have a sense of entitlement and I'm really very clear about the term OpenSource/Linux, I've also been involved with translations of KDE software, no question. Programming I can't do, I did a lot between 1982 and 2000 under DOS6/QDOS and Win95/98/2000 with Basic and compilers and on a /38 with RPG and Query and that was it - so nowadays completely uninteresting. But I no longer want to support what is currently going on with KDE. I have long since stopped my earlier tireless advertising for OpenSuSE in particular. You can't honestly recommend something like that to anyone. The 12-15 computers switched away from Linux in my environment are perhaps only a beginning. Bye Michael I used deepl to translate my opinion into English, maybe you notice that. I don't have a sense of entitlement and I'm really very clear about the term OpenSource/Linux, I've also been involved with translations of KDE software, no question. Programming I can't do, I did a lot between 1982 and 2000 under DOS6/QDOS and Win95/98/2000 with Basic and compilers and on a /38 with RPG and Query and that was it - so nowadays completely uninteresting. But I no longer want to support what is currently going on with KDE. I have long since stopped my earlier tireless advertising for OpenSuSE in particular. You can't honestly recommend something like that to anyone. Bye Michael -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #453 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to michel from comment #449) > The aforementioned Nate Graham recently reported on pointieststick.com/ with > a silly grin that in Plasma 5.23 you can now also change the colors in menus > independently of the selected color scheme. He probably overlooked the fact > that he revived a feature from KDE3... If you look at the actual public > statements of allegedly responsible people (Lydia Pintscher, Ben Cooksley, > Nate Graham...), you will be horrified, if you compare what is said there > with reality... They are a bit like incompetent politicians: they like to > bask in the light of the cameras, but quickly dive when they have to make > concrete statements, as a request I made to a board member showed. I also > don't use the pompous name "Plasma" for this software, which is further > slimmed down from version to version, but only KDE5, actually "KDE4 light" > would be more appropriate... > > What else can be written? The screwing of us users has reached a new, never > thought possible dimension. My personal consequences of this catastrophe > were as follows: Of my 5 computers in my house, 3 are now running Windows10, > only one is still running Tumbleweed and KDE and one is still running > OpenSuSE15.2 and LXDE. But these two will not be able to hold on for long. > LXDE works well, the communication with the developers is excellent, but the > performance is not optimal and KDE5 is digging its own grave, as you can see > here. It cannot and must not be, that a new software version offers from > time to time less possibilities than before. This only exists here with > KDE5. Also only here with KDE5 there is the phenomenon that the hints and > suggestions of many users to a topic are hushed up and completely ignored. > This way goes in the wrong direction. Such a thing does not even exist with > Windows. > > I already stopped my donations to KDE in 2015 with a message, which probably > didn't really interest anyone due to the lack of a response - at a time, it > was clear that the feature set of KDE5 was indiscussable compared with 4.14. > We went through the same thing when we switched to KDE 3 and 4, but there, > efforts were made to restore the performance range of the respective > previous version, which also succeeded quickly and helped the two KDE > versions to their very good reputation. Money never was a reason for me for > using Linus, as i shurely paid much more on donations as i would have had to > spend for Windows-Licences and the required Software. > > It is a pity which way KDE goes. They are not only ruining their own > software, but also a large part of Linux for desktop installations. Hardly > such a computer will run without GUI and only the fewest users will want to > permanently spoon the presented water soup KDE5. I am one of them. After 20 > years with Linux, I see the "Linux adventure" as a failure for me, a failure > due to incompetent developers and a completely outdated communication and > information of the developers towards the users. I can understand your frustration with KDE 5 - I've also been annoyed with it since about 2014 and it just doesn't get any better. But why are you switching to Windows because of it, just change the desktop, XFCE is also very good. Linux has nothing to do with KDE - it only provides the interface. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #452 from michel --- @Manuel Geißer: I may have expressed myself imprecisely: Of course LXDE runs very performant, what I meant were simply several features that are not present in contrast to KDE5. That this is to the advantage of low memory consumption and high performance is clear to me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #451 from Manuel Geißer --- > LXDE works well, the communication with the developers is excellent, but the > performance is not optimal Probably off-topic, anyway: The performance of LXDE is brilliant, it's the desktop environment that even runs smoothly on our old Raspberry Pi 2B (one of those small ARM devices). One could say that LXDE is a bit spartan, but that's probably necessary to acheive such a high level of responsiveness, and in my opinion it provides all relevant features. - Maybe you rather meant XFCE? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #450 from michel --- Another small addendum: It is important to counterbalance the market-dominating global players by clearly showing them that they cannot deal with their "dependents" as they please; not all PC users belong to the synchronized lemming mass, but are wide awake. If this counterweight can then also keep up in principle performance-wise and on the whole also brings along a pleasant freedom, nothing should actually stand in the way of a permanent use. Also permanent word of mouth was certainly not harmful, as intensively cultivated by me for many years. Knoppix elicited more than just an "aha" from many an "ignorant" person. But the currently practiced stop/returnpath is neither a convincing argument for "new" users, nor suitable to satisfy the "old" users. Standstill means regression. The ignoramuses at KDE probably don't know that. They will learn it painfully. I don't know if Linus Torvalds will lower himself so far into the lowlands of user problems. But before I am completely finished with Linux, he will learn from me what his would-be makers at KDE are doing with his life's work, may it interest him or not. Bye Michael -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #449 from michel --- The aforementioned Nate Graham recently reported on pointieststick.com/ with a silly grin that in Plasma 5.23 you can now also change the colors in menus independently of the selected color scheme. He probably overlooked the fact that he revived a feature from KDE3... If you look at the actual public statements of allegedly responsible people (Lydia Pintscher, Ben Cooksley, Nate Graham...), you will be horrified, if you compare what is said there with reality... They are a bit like incompetent politicians: they like to bask in the light of the cameras, but quickly dive when they have to make concrete statements, as a request I made to a board member showed. I also don't use the pompous name "Plasma" for this software, which is further slimmed down from version to version, but only KDE5, actually "KDE4 light" would be more appropriate... What else can be written? The screwing of us users has reached a new, never thought possible dimension. My personal consequences of this catastrophe were as follows: Of my 5 computers in my house, 3 are now running Windows10, only one is still running Tumbleweed and KDE and one is still running OpenSuSE15.2 and LXDE. But these two will not be able to hold on for long. LXDE works well, the communication with the developers is excellent, but the performance is not optimal and KDE5 is digging its own grave, as you can see here. It cannot and must not be, that a new software version offers from time to time less possibilities than before. This only exists here with KDE5. Also only here with KDE5 there is the phenomenon that the hints and suggestions of many users to a topic are hushed up and completely ignored. This way goes in the wrong direction. Such a thing does not even exist with Windows. I already stopped my donations to KDE in 2015 with a message, which probably didn't really interest anyone due to the lack of a response - at a time, it was clear that the feature set of KDE5 was indiscussable compared with 4.14. We went through the same thing when we switched to KDE 3 and 4, but there, efforts were made to restore the performance range of the respective previous version, which also succeeded quickly and helped the two KDE versions to their very good reputation. Money never was a reason for me for using Linus, as i shurely paid much more on donations as i would have had to spend for Windows-Licences and the required Software. It is a pity which way KDE goes. They are not only ruining their own software, but also a large part of Linux for desktop installations. Hardly such a computer will run without GUI and only the fewest users will want to permanently spoon the presented water soup KDE5. I am one of them. After 20 years with Linux, I see the "Linux adventure" as a failure for me, a failure due to incompetent developers and a completely outdated communication and information of the developers towards the users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #448 from aschn...@gmx.net --- A bit of polemics, since no one here is reacting anyway: Can't you just take your "Activities" and shove them up your a? Nobody wants them. Nobody needs them. Everybody hates them. Even after more than 10 years of Activities, no non-KDE application worth mentioning uses them. My suggestion: worry about "different wallpapers and widgets on all desktops" instead. "Activities" used to be a nice addition, but since they have apparently become the holy grail for KDE developers, you can't admit -even after almost 7 years- that it is an aberration. Of course, it is also possible that the KDE software developers just don't know how to do bring different wallpapers and widgets back. No one likes to admit that. However, after 7 Years of waiting, I finally stopped my monthly donation for the KDE Project and changed this to XFCE. One last word to Nate Graham: If you didn't lie to us, the developers obviously lied to you and you're going to have to sit this one out. I'm sorry for you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Claverhouse changed: What|Removed |Added Version|5.2.0 |5.22.4 --- Comment #447 from Claverhouse --- Yet the trouble remains; and is: since most of us have neither the skills nor time to develop a retro KDE with sane defaults, keeping the things like Separate Desktop Wallpaper --- and a large amount of KDE puzzling updates whilst well-meant are kinda futile ( like 'Start New Instance' for items on the menubar, or the weird unique rendering of 'Downloads' in Dolphin ) and to take away control non-reversible --- for those wanting KDE and only KDE, how do we find KDE forks that will include what we want --- and offer more control over our desktop ? If I wanted do simply obey Developers' whims, I would have gone for Apple. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #446 from Lehmeier --- No we don't. We can change, I have too - unfortunately (XfCE). But if you don't value your users, then you shouldn't be surprised that they leave. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #445 from michel --- Well, as one can see, the calculation of the KDE responsible persons works out. They sit out the problem, simply do nothing, the stupid users will eventually keep their mouths shut. The once existing transparency, exemplary and appreciated by all users, has gently and quietly fallen asleep, the would-be gods no longer let them look at their cards and do what they want. If you scratch the surface, as I did in a German Linux forum, someone who seems to belong to this circle immediately feels attacked and reacts irritably and with impertinent and unobjective statements. There is no one to turn to, who is willing and able to have an objective discussion. And so a once great and excellent idea degenerates to a pride of place of a few, the users stand powerlessly by and fight only against impenetrable fog, what becomes of the matter "KDE" is ultimately no longer traceable, neither goals nor their realization are known. However, such behavior is not KDE-specific. It can be found these days in every non-functioning form of government without the participation of the "subjects". Therefore, the KDE team is in good company. We users just have to guzzle, what we are accused of. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Nate Graham changed: What|Removed |Added CC||downloader...@gmail.com --- Comment #444 from Nate Graham --- *** Bug 438493 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #443 from Juanma --- On June 10, 2021 17:42:30 Lehmeier wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 > > --- Comment #441 from Lehmeier --- > (In reply to michel from comment #440) > > ... > > It was also written Who is responsible for what, when and how is discussed. > Then one could initiate such a discussion. > It is strange, however, that this should only happen after about 7 years and > that it was not discussed earlier. > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. I would indeed like to know who makes steering decisions at KDE, and how they do it. Are users asked about anything, anytime? It's slightly unfair to charge against the volunteering developers, who would a priori deserve appreciation, but OTOH it is unacceptable to hijack such a flagship project as KDE from it's users in this way. That's why it's important to know how is the project driven. Activities could have been a nice and OPTIONAL addition to Plasma, but should have never been imposed this way because they suck in a very clear and unavoidable way: they only make sense with Activities-aware programs. My browser of choice is not part of KDE, not is my editor. They won't abide by whatever rules Activities will want to impose on them. VDs worked with anything that was inside s window. They worked even with Emacs. They also worked with KNotes, which "lived" in non-standard windows (but, OK, they were a KDE program). By the way, what happened to KNotes? So, Activities is a client lock-up kind of move much like those we (should) hate in Microsoft or Apple. In fact, I suspect that the people behind this move might have grown up "inspired" by Jobs. KDE 5 lacks not only the usability I enjoyed there, but also lacks AmaroK and KNotes. At this point, it's all the same to me to stay out switch. Either way, the good times will be in the past. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #442 from pier andre --- (In reply to Daniel Morris from comment #428) > You may, at this time, in your jurisdiction, have the freedom to 'speak your > mind', just as those you want to develop a feature to your want (not "need") > have the freedom not to. > > You also have the freedom to pay a developer(s) to write (and contribute) > said feature(s), to learn C++/Qt/Plasma and develop yourself, and/or > maintain a legacy version of KDE. Granted, each of those would cost a bit > more effort than tossing insults onto a global bug-tracker, itself > maintained by a similar small army of volunteers. ...may be I'm interested to to pay a developer(s) to write and contribute for per-virtual-desktop wallpapers and widget feature in KDE. could you please give me some information on this possibility? 1) which skills I have to ask to the developer(s)? 2) how many developers should be necessary to end the project in one year? 3) how much it would cost? 4) where can I ask for these developers? 5) have you some name to propose? 6) does KDE should approve my initiative before? manythanks :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #441 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to michel from comment #440) ... It was also written Who is responsible for what, when and how is discussed. Then one could initiate such a discussion. It is strange, however, that this should only happen after about 7 years and that it was not discussed earlier. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #440 from michel --- Hello, i sent an email to the KDE/Plasma board these days, briefly outlined the situation and otherwise referred to this thread. Finally, I asked for a statement so that we users know where we stand. The answer came surprisingly quickly. A statement or even a decision on the direction of my request could not be made, as such decisions were discussed and made by the KDE community. Bye Michael -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #439 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to Holger from comment #438) ... It is good that you can cope with it and are happy to retrain yourself each time because the developers want it that way, because of course you can work with it - but not nearly as effectively as with the last KDE 4. But KDE stands in its own way, because no professional IT manager will take the risk of using a desktop that has to be reconfigured and the way of working changed after the next major update. He will shun these superfluous costs like the devil shuns holy water. And it is the same with private users - they want to work with it and not waste time every time to restore everything the way they are used to. But it's also the case that many people don't even get upset about the programmers' bad information behaviour any more, because they have already turned their backs on KDE due to the programmers' ignorance. If developers are really ignoring this bug because some are getting thin-skinned and disappointed after years of stalling and venting their frustration about it, it would show a trait that should be found in a kindergarten rather than a development team of a great desktop. KDE should just say if it wants to restore these features as it was possible in the last KDE 4, if yes, when and if no then at least we know what KDE thinks of its users and their comments - namely nothing. In this sense. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #438 from Holger --- Despite some snide remarks, I have no plan or intention, to leave KDE/Plasma - to the contrary, I'm passionate about some "minor" annoyances that in my view fall short of real greatness. Still, being forced to cope with M$-Windows at work, I almost every day lament about the window frames not snapping together - arranging them on the screen just looks ugly, where I can make them easily match perfectly in KDE, no overlap, no ugly gaps, no half hidden window decorations and if I want, pixel-perfect in the middle of the screen and keeping a window on top really stays on top - in addition, I can't think of any KDE-window, that I am not allowed to resize - I can even assign rules to force it the size, I want. In KDE 4 I was playing with a dozen of plasmoids, filling my desktop and even my screensaver. But switching to KDE5, they were just gone and I never bothered, restoring them. So I can basically do without most of them - only the comic returned recently. I think, the idea of activities never hooked me up, because I am often switching tasks and start everything at the same time. Especially the browser is a key part of many activities. But once it is open, any window is fine, to surf to some other topic and e.g. start writing on the bug-tracker in the middle of news articles, that were found because I wanted to look up some vocabulary in a youtube video and opened a new tab for the dictionary and got carried away by pocket suggestions - you know, how this happens. But do I stick this browser-window no in the programming-activity, where I would have a hex-editor at my disposal - wait a minute ... last time I used a hex editor was probably in 2020 - and it was not for programming at all, more like analyzing the content of some broken unplayable *.mp3, that I found out, was internally not *.mp3 at all but some *.wma with digital restriction management encumbered. Virtual desktops work great for me - everything open at ones and still assigned to some spatial distribution like a huge desk, that I sit on all day, to work, to eat, to do crosswords, to do tax refunds, to build model-toys ... stuff gets shunt aside, but usually not completely off. To get to the point of this bug: individual backgrounds would add to the richness of VD, but they will certainly not stop me from using and loving KDE. PS: I totally understand, that developers ignore this bug unless they really have a plan or even some working prototype to fix this. Any speculation on technical details without actually starting to work on them is just futile - it will raise hopes, that it cannot fulfill. And besides after being called names, anyone would run a mile instead of apologizing and slaving away ... There is hardly any conspiracy working in the background - it is more like the effect of setting off a stink-bomb in here. Besides it is hard to speculate about the silent majority - maybe once this is fixed for us, the "other side" will open an equally long debated bug of how to remove all this VD stuff and bring back the "only true great activities" as they used to work in long gone KDE5. Only by then none of the people here will be around to defend, why we loathed activities. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #437 from michel --- Lehmeyer speaks from my soul. He seems to have experience and knows exactly what has disappeared, as do many of us here. In addition, many of KDE/Plasma's setting options have silently disappeared. KDE/Plasma has long since ceased to be a desktop system that can individually be customised to a large extent. These setting options and their convenient presentation have simply and silently been eliminated. If you compare the system settings with those of the past you will be astonished at all the things that have disappeared. KDE's reputation is based on earlier times and not at all on these Plasma times. Concerning the ignorance of the developers or their unseemly answers I ask myself why the according to Wikipedia controlling groups "Community Working Group", "System Administration Working Group "User Working Group (if they still exist at all) are silently looking the other way and not answering the dissatisfied users in a way that can be expected in the year 2021. By this I expressly do not mean the way it has happened here so far or in the German-language forum "Linuxforen.de". This way of answering rather fits into the Middle Ages. It may be that one or the other has stopped there, the answers suggest that, but then he/they have to keep the mouth shut on the subject from the official side. It can't be the aim of those responsibles for KDE to alienate dissatisfied users by attempting to deal with them in a cheeky manner. There is also the possibility that the KDE/Plasma organisation itself has become so big that the left hand no longer wants to know what the right hand is doing and in what way. Such arrogance has never done an organisation any good - KDE/Plasma will be no exception. In the end, one will really have no choice but to change the GUI. When frustration and boredom dominate the work with the own computers, you have to do something. I have been a KDE user since the early beginning of the 2000s and have been through many a lean period, but as a user you were not left out to dry, unlike today. An alternative and actually worth a closer look seems to be Trinity, the continued KDE3.5. Just recently a new version was released, so they are still working on it, it's not a dead horse. However, the underpinnings are not yet clear to me, the information on their homepage is not yet meaningful enough. On the one hand, the "relapse" should remain bearable and on the other hand, it must be possible to switch without damage, which is not yet clear to me with my Tumbleweed. LXDE is comparatively puritanical, but it runs nicely and, above all, you get exhaustive, friendly and satisfactory answers from the developers to questions about the interface, even if some things are not (yet) as they could be. On my three "second" computers I am away from KDE/Plasma for some time and now use LXDE there. The developers seem to have very ambitious goals here too, but they are also responsive to the users. A big difference to KDE/Plasma. You feel you are in good hands with LXDE - also in contrast to KDE/Plasma... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #436 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to Adam Nicol from comment #433) ... > ... What are we even talking about here? We are talking about restoring features that already existed in the old KDE 4. They were easy to use and it resulted in a very effective workflow with a clear and freely configurable desktop. At that time, activities were already in play, but they were subordinate and did not make work unnecessarily difficult - as they do today. Because they were connected to the virtual desktops, it seemed to be one unit, so that the activities did not stand out unpleasantly. The point is that you could configure individual virtual desktops so that they not only had their own background image but also their own folder views, widgets, mini-programs, etc. This meant that you could configure your desktops to suit your needs. This meant that you could customise your desktops for each individual need and thus work very effectively. With today's plasma it is also possible, but it is more complicated, not as clear and sometimes not as cleanly implemented. In a previous post someone wrote that it will probably come back sometime, but could not say when. So it may well be a long time before KDE 6, 7, 8, ... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #435 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to gmfitton from comment #434) > I changed to Trinty DE, enhanced fork of the original KDE 3 & the devs > actually listen! I have heard that there is a fork of KDE 3 but I haven't found it in the Manjaro repositories yet. Where and how do I get it updated? Do I have to download something every time or do I include it in my sources? Can it only display the various wallpapers or also, as recently with KDE 4, various mini-programs, widgets, folders etc. ? Do the other KDE programmes also run under it? Is it also based on an old QT version or does it have a different basis in the meantime? A very good alternative to KDE5 would not be bad at all. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #434 from gmfit...@gmx.com --- This has been going on for about seven years now, & nothing done. As far as I'm concerned, I stopped using Plasma 5 because of the devs attitude. I changed to Trinty DE, enhanced fork of the original KDE 3 & the devs actually listen! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #433 from Adam Nicol --- I'm not a dev, I'm just a regular guy that uses KDE Plasma. I don't understand or care to understand what the technical implications are of this, I just want to be able to set the wallpaper differently between my virtual desktops. It doesn't seem to me like this should be something controversial. I appreciate that some people may want to keep the wallpaper the same across all virtual desktops which is fine, add an option for those people and everyone is happy. What are we even talking about here? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #432 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to bkorb from comment #431) ... > Meanwhile, how do I get off of the monitor-this-bug list? --- Comment #431 from bk...@gnu.org --- 1. disabling per desktop wallpaper was an ill-advised choice 2. making the change irreversible was worse. 3. I don't need vitriolic comments, either Consequently, I'd favour closing comments. There will be no resolution to the irresistible force/immovable object contest. Meanwhile, how do I get off of the monitor-this-bug list? It's true that it won't change because developers aren't interested in building a perfect desktop and keeping the features they want. They want the latest, hippest and hottest. KDE is probably more of a study than the best desktop it could be. Re your desire to remove your address from the mailing list: At the top right there is the "CC List: 133 users including you (edit) ". go to "edit" and then remove your address from the mailing list. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #431 from bk...@gnu.org --- 1. disabling per desktop wallpaper was an ill-advised choice 2. making the change irreversible was worse. 3. I don't need vitriolic comments, either Consequently, I'd favor closing comments. There will be no resolution to the irresistible force/immovable object contest. Meanwhile, how do I get off of the monitor-this-bug list? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #430 from Lehmeier --- People - slow down. It is true that in recent years KDE is no longer as handy and efficient as it once was with the last KDE 4. But that is no reason to become so personal, belittling and insulting. When, after many years of testing, I decided to switch to Linux, I used XFCE. It can only handle background images and is not as customisable as KDE. But since I can only use a few things anyway and the others are too complicated under KDE, I immediately switched to XFCE. Should KDE once again allow this simple and efficient way of working and - with each new version - stop reinventing the wheel, I will gladly come back. It would be nice if KDE would finally take care that after switching to a newer version not everything has to be reconfigured. It would have been a help if you didn't have to update to the new version 5 and could just continue to use KDE 4. Unfortunately, this no longer exists and if it did, it would be replaced by Plasma (KDE 5) with the next update. What is often forgotten: It is not only about the wallpapers but also about the fact that you could personalise every virtual desktop. With your own views and your own widgets and mini-programs. So that you had an efficient desktop on which everything could be tailored to one workspace. For music, you had Player, Audacity and the folder view of "My Music". For video, you had a video editing programme - one folder for music and one for video (easy to do through the folder view). What I also appreciated with genealogy was that you had 3 folders in which you could call up your files, the genealogy programme, and Libreoffice. For office tasks there was then the area with the usual suspects Libreoffice. Scanning and co. ... and so on. Each area had its own layout and thus no superfluous programmes or whatever were open. It was clear what the workspace was intended and set up for. During the development, 1. the claim should apply: "One should do one without leaving the other. "And 2. no new version should be rolled out without at least having the functionality of the old one. With Plasma I just have a big mess. On one laptop I have 2 workspace toggles because I had moved a program to another on one activity and then it wasn't there. When I looked I found it had ended up on a virtual desktop. however it got there. and no I didn't move it there by accident. Things like that make working very unpleasant. KDE used to be, despite high hardware demands, the best desktop - today, unfortunately, it is only in the midfield. This is due to the abolition of "different mini-programs for each desktop" - which unfortunately makes working with KDE very unpleasant. I hope you get the hang of it and it becomes usable again soon - and not just until the next version. I would like to work with KDE again - but if that is not desired, then I will have to stay with XFCE or similar - unfortunately. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #429 from michel --- Once upon a time, the KDE developers were highly respected fellow human beings. That was at a time when they still communicated constructively and meaningfully with users and referred to their suggestions objectively. But those times are over, as you can see here: With stupid arguments and cheeky sentences, the would-be gods appearing here and elsewhere try to keep the little users small and, above all, quiet, so that they will look up in awe at the oh-so-diligent developers high up in the heaven of the gods. Unfortunately, this outmoded behaviour is apparently tolerated, because everything else is more important than what the users have to say. For those who want to switch from other operating systems, this is enough to make them no longer want to switch; long-time Linux users are also considering whether it still makes sense to remain a Linux user in the face of this ignorance. And without users, the development gods can develop whatever they want, there is no one left who needs it. But then, of course, a thousand other reasons will be to blame, only no one will want to see that as a would-be-god they have driven the cart into the mud themselves. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #428 from Daniel Morris --- (In reply to Claverhouse from comment #427) > all I need, and the moronic decision to remove this simple ability has been > confounded by the crude inability to restore this function for many years by > the detestable puritans. Way to motivate developers and contributors! "detestable puritans"? That level of vitriol, like so much of this thread, is totally uncalled for and grossly dis-repectful to the thousands of developers and contributors to KDE. You may, at this time, in your jurisdiction, have the freedom to 'speak your mind', just as those you want to develop a feature to your want (not "need") have the freedom not to. You also have the freedom to pay a developer(s) to write (and contribute) said feature(s), to learn C++/Qt/Plasma and develop yourself, and/or maintain a legacy version of KDE. Granted, each of those would cost a bit more effort than tossing insults onto a global bug-tracker, itself maintained by a similar small army of volunteers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Claverhouse changed: What|Removed |Added CC||claverho...@tutanota.de Platform|Kubuntu Packages|PCLinuxOS --- Comment #427 from Claverhouse --- If there's anything that will drive me from KDE--- which I have used exclusively since starting on Linux --- ( although there are quite a few innovative awfulnesses mostly related to the foul minimalist modernism ), it's not having the separate wallpapers for separate desktops that was so needed and so useful. I shall never dream of having a use for Activities; Virtual Desktops are all I need, and the moronic decision to remove this simple ability has been confounded by the crude inability to restore this function for many years by the detestable puritans. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #426 from Bernd Paysan --- KDE4 allowed to have one activity per virtual desktop. That was how KDE4 brought back the different wallpapers. The difference between activity switcher and virtual desktop switcher is just that you can switch virtual desktops also by moving your mouse to the edge of the screen. If you could do that with activities, all would be fine. IMHO the decision that activities and virtual desktops are something different is a mistake. People really don't like to have two ways to do something quite similar, but not exactly the same, it's confusing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #425 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to Yannick from comment #424) ... Whatever the reason, they should ensure that we can work as effectively and smoothly as we did last time with KDE 4. If the activities did what we expect, I wouldn't care if I used VD's or activities, the main thing is that you can work effectively again. In any case, they are worthless in their current state. KDE 5 is not usable in this form and who knows when KDE 6 will come - if it will be usable at all. By the way, it would also be nice if future versions didn't always reinvent the wheel, but were developed in such a way that you don't have to reconfigure everything with each new version, but can simply work through it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #424 from Yannick --- I feel like what the DEVs are hardly trying to tell us is that we shall focus on the Activities features instead of VDs, because each activity has its own wallpaper, own widgets, etc. Why not... BUT - why didn't they dropped the VDs from Plasma and they seem to abandon VDs ? Why can't we use the cube on activities whenever we switch activity (the cube is still linked to VDs) ? - Why do we share same panels across all activities (we can only choose on which activities we want an icon/widget to be printed/showed except for panels themselves) ? To me the design should be reviewed completely for KDE Plasma 6, and be as close as possible to the one used in KDE4 in which all the features we are asking for were working correctly and smoothly, without tricks/hints/add-ons. If I remember well, KDE 5 Frameworks and Plasma teams/devs said that there were too many bugs generated by KDE4 because of its design and crossed features within VDs and Activities (that were introduced) and that the maintenance had become difficult (a nightmare ?) which explained why the KDE 5 design had been reviewed and had completely made VDs and Activities different, and focusing that Activities would replace VDs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Holger changed: What|Removed |Added CC||private_l...@yahoo.com --- Comment #423 from Holger --- (In reply to leftcrane from comment #403) > Most users just want to change the damn background, ONCE, and be done with > it. Those users you talk of will hardly make use of a second virtual desktop let alone a grid of 6 or 9 VD. So, if the second desktop would be stuck on an old picture from some years ago, I'm sure, they'll not notice. --- (In reply to abrahams from comment #416) > An interesting alternative is the virtual desktops of Windows 10. The way > that's designed is quite different from both the old KDE and the current > KDE. I haven't decided which one I prefer. It seems, M$ will soon show us how different backgrounds per virtual desktop is done: "So far, the problem is that each additional desktop has the same background image as the main desktop. This makes the distinction unnecessarily difficult. Microsoft now has individual wallpapers in the works for Windows 10 21H2." https://www.chip.de/artikel/Windows-10-Virtuelle-Desktops-perfekt-nutzen_139970875.html Reminds me of when James Bond replies to the question, of how he knows about that top-secret technology: "I read it in the Russian translation of the manual!" (In reply to leftcrane from comment #417) > Windows is better, objectively, because it has a fully featured virtual > desktop switcher. Now that WOULD be useful to have on KDE, as opposed to > wasting resources on confusing gimmicks like per-desktop wallpapers. Are you aware of the "virtual desktop raster" that kicks in via Ctrl+F8. It can also be attached to engage on the mouse moving into an "active corner". It will show a fullscreen desktop-switcher with neat little window previews distributed all over the place. Besides, the background also shows nicely, so that each desktop gets it's identity - if only it would have one! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Adam Nicol changed: What|Removed |Added CC||adam.ni...@protonmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #422 from michel --- Hello, I raised the issue in a once important German Linux forum (https://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?282581-Eigenes-Hintergrundbild-f%FCr-jeden-Bildschirm-in-KDE-Plasma=1859280#post1859280) and unfortunately only received a deliberately provocative answer from a formerly very knowledgeable developer. The answer is: "Program it yourself and that's it. " What high horse are these people sitting on that they can behave so blatantly rude? I am currently working with LXDE. There, the interaction between developers and users is completely different and very pleasant. You can also reach your goal with LXDE, even if it is (still) a bit more complicated and less comfortable. Presumably KDE/Plasma has simply become too big that they can allow themselves to reject the concerns of users so ruthlessly. Goodbye Michael Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #421 from Manuel Geißer --- > Those who want this do know why they want it. Telling them that they do not > know what they want and that you know better what they want is . > I'm afraid we're stuck with this. It's like the Catholics and the Protestants > > in the Middle Ages! I agree. That sums it up quite well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #420 from Lehmeier --- (In reply to leftcrane from comment #413) > > Don't tell users how to work ! ... (etc.) > > https://xkcd.com/1172/ > > What kind of "work"? The only type of work that is facilitated by this > gimmick is the work of endlessly fiddling with desktop backgrounds. What kind of endless fumbling around? The virtual desktops are set up once with wallpaper, widgets, folders, etc. and then you work effectively and only occasionally make adjustments - if necessary. I had set up my computer from about 2014 so that I had about 10 different virtual desktops for different tasks, for example, one for office stuff, one for genealogy (here the corresponding folders and programs were open), one for video editing, etc. so that I could start as soon as I switched to the different virtual desktops. For this there was, in the settings the function : "Different miniprograms for each desktop" Here to look up : https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/de . In the subsection "Miniprogram layouts and virtual desktops". This way it was easy to handle, clear and still wonderfully flexible. When the activities under KDE 5 only worked alone, I tried to make friends with them and had to realize that they are worthless for me (in this form). I would like to switch back to KDE, but since KDE has so little interest in its users and prefers to play around instead of developing a reliable, productive desktop, this will probably not happen in this lifetime. So I'll probably stay with XFCE - it doesn't have these features either, but it uses much less resources. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #419 from hcvv --- @leftcrane "Then hire a developer who will do whatever you without any questions. There are no hired hands here." I have no idea what your function is here, but when you are the deciding person, then please simply say: we do not care what you want, we will not repair it, end of discussion. But do not try to excuse yourself for not doing it by explaining to others they are dumb idiots that do not understand how much better the world would be when they would except your explanation on how they should so their work. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #418 from Dngrsone --- THe desktop wallpaper /might/ be hidden. But for me it is usually not. I have four Virtual desktops, each with its own set of shortcuts and widgets. Unfortunately, FIrefox, for some reason will always show the same icon, regardless, so when I am switching VIrtual desktops, I can't tell immediately /which/ FIrefox profile/instance is open on that desktop. It is faster to identify a wallpaper instead of looking at the patter of tiny shortcut icons. If I have different wallpapers, I immediately know "this is my photo editing desktop" or "this is my writing desktop". Is it stupid? Maybe to you. Is it extra work? It isn't work for me, though it would be nice if things worked out of the box instead of me having to do elaborate semi-effective workarounds for something that used to work just fine. What would be really nice if Desktop Cube worked for the virtual desktops too. Yes, it's so 1990's to have a process-burning graphic toy, but just like I prefer roses in my front yard, I like playing with the fancy toy. On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 12:58 PM leftcrane wrote: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 > > --- Comment #410 from leftcrane --- > > The background is a visual clue for where you are. > > It's a bad visual cue for the following reasons: > > - the desktop wallpaper might be hidden entirely by the windows. > - you have to manage wallpapers for each desktop - that's very a very time > consuming way of getting a "visual cue" > - you have to remember which desktop background symbolizes which desktop. > > I don't see the rationale at all here. The visual cue should provided by a > panel plasmoid. > > -- > You are receiving this mail because: > You are on the CC list for the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 Matti Klock changed: What|Removed |Added CC|matti-kdeb...@twonth.com| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[plasmashell] [Bug 341143] Bring back per-virtual-desktop wallpapers
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143 --- Comment #417 from leftcrane --- Windows is better, objectively, because it has a fully featured virtual desktop switcher. Now that WOULD be useful to have on KDE, as opposed to wasting resources on confusing gimmicks like per-desktop wallpapers. Sometimes removing features makes sense. Only adding features and options, especially when you have a million options already, is unsustainable. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
